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6 November 2018

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  1. David

     /  November 6, 2018

    There has been some comment about the end of letting fees…

    (PG) This is useful feedback, so I put it into a post: https://yournz.org/2018/11/06/letting-fee-change-good-other-legislation-not-so-good/

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    • Gezza

       /  November 6, 2018

      What do you mean: “… there is now a fee to commence a new tenancy for the landlord”. Who’s being charged that? Landlord or tenant?

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  2. Gezza

     /  November 6, 2018

    Got one of my regular phone calls from the “Windows Technical Department” about my computer being hacked yesterday afternoon. I thought it was ma calling, but no, it was my “good fiends” from somewhere in Asia helpfully volunteering to remove the malicious software. I did my usual thing and said “Umm … can I just ask … how come you’re calling me from the Windows Technical Department? My computer’s a Mac?”

    Previously I’ve had a little bit of fun for a while as they go through various bizarre explanations as they try to figure out where to take this, seeing they’ve got me on the line, but now they’ve got it sussed.

    “Oh, your computer is a Mac? Hold on please sir, I’m just transferring you to our Macintosh Department.”

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 6, 2018

      I have said blankly that I don’t have a computer. This usually ends the conversation,

      One girl said nastily ‘What about the laptop you’re using right now?’ which startled me !

      My favourite story is the one about the man who said that he wasn’t very computer savvy but would put his daughter on….the daughter was two and loved babbling on the phone.The infuriated caller hung up and they weren’t called again.

      I remember years ago when someone we knew was sucked in by the Nokia phone giveaway if the message was sent to so many email addresses….we were among those whose email addresses had the message sent to them and had all our contacts wiped. The sender was extremely unpopular, and they deserved to be, as this happened to everyone they sent the supposed ad to.

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  3. Corky

     /  November 6, 2018

    I commented a while ago that some may not realise the US border is also patrolled by civilian patrols and ranchers.

    For the Caravan Of Criminals things have decidedly taken a turn for the worst. Their safety cannot be guaranteed with any certainty.

    There are now good ole boys with loaded magazines, an itchy trigger finger and the ‘American Way’ waiting for any idiot who wants to try their luck.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/108352253/armed-american-militias-heed-trump-and-head-south-to-confront-caravan

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 6, 2018

      You do realise if you shoot someone you can get into trouble Corky,

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      • Corky

         /  November 6, 2018

        I think you missed the import of my post , Lurchy. It’s a mighty big border. If things happen much of it will be away from media coverage. Lots can happen. These boys will fire in self defence of their country.

        Would you, Lurchy?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 6, 2018

          Which is is it – self defence or defending the country?

          What an insult to Americans to say that the American Way is to be a trigger happy killer.

          What sort of sadist are you? You really seem to get off on the idea of people being hurt or killed.

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  4. Corky

     /  November 6, 2018

    This is a great clip on hypocrisy. Trumpy really is a saint. And a good guy.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/11/mark-levin-on-whats-at-stake-in-the-midterm-elections/

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  5. Corky

     /  November 6, 2018

    Just listened to Leighton explain how the American Electoral College system works. I’m in more awe of the founding fathers than ever. Basically the college system is like MMP.

    The founding fathers allowed for both the protection of an individual from the state; and protection of the state from individual machinations.

    Seeing how Trumpy became president when Hillary gained more votes was very interesting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/15/in-defense-of-the-electoral-college/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.999c17f95c2c

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 6, 2018

      Whos Leighton? and did he mentor HDPA, IDIOTS one and al BUT l said it in a nice way

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      • Corky

         /  November 6, 2018

        Don’t worry about Leighton. Let’s have your take on the Electoral College system. You do have an opinion, don’t you? What about the critics of said system?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 6, 2018

          I suspect that we all know how it works and are not that interested as we don’t live there and are not obsessed with the US.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 6, 2018

          Problem is the electors can be bought and can actually vote differently to the expectations of those that selected them if they want.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 6, 2018

            There’s nothing we could do about it even if we wanted to, so I see little point in being all hung up on it. I think it wrong that so many people are effectively disenfranchised, but the Americans are the only ones who can change it. Ergo, I am not going to become obsessed by it.

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  6. Corky

     /  November 6, 2018

    Talkback has given its verdict..a win for Trump! I wouldn’t have a clue.

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    • Griff.

       /  November 6, 2018

      I wouldn’t have a clue.</blockquote
      You nailed it brother.

      Stopped clock syndrome.
      Even a corky can be right once in a while .

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      • Corky

         /  November 6, 2018

        So, you call it, Griff? Maybe you’ll luck out this time and finally get something right.😁

        If I was forced to make a prediction, I would probably go with a clean sweep for Trumpy.

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        • Corky

           /  November 6, 2018

          Oh,dear. A little crumb attracts little minds. Another one has turn up…larfing loud.😄
          Goodbye thread.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 6, 2018

        (loud larf)

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 6, 2018

          Why do you think that anyone would be interested in forcing you to make a prediction?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 6, 2018

            It was you who declared yourself to be clueless, we didn’t.

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  7. sorethumb

     /  November 6, 2018

    When Islamic Double Discourse Meets Western Liberal Double Standards
    https://areomagazine.com/2018/11/05/when-islamic-double-discourse-meets-western-liberal-double-standards/

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 6, 2018

    There is no mystery about why NZ productivity lags. We have a political system that has empowered its bureaucracy so that the nation is now devoted to arse-protection and aversion to any and all risks. Hence the huge workforce engaged in producing and moving around paper, scaffolding and road cones.

    The latest local achievement of this enterprise is to decree that our historic Pompallier Printery which is approaching its 200th birthday is unsafe and must install a sprinkler system. Having no electricity in keeping with its authenticity it must first install a massive diesel generator which I saw being delivered today. Bureaucratic lunacy rules OK.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 6, 2018

      Well, it’s funny you should mention that because there are two multiple multi unit construction projects going on in Tawa and I’ve watching progress on the one near me out of interest. Progress is snailishly slow. They’re all a standard blocky boxish design with uncomplicated sloping roof. I was looking out of the kitchen window today and I realised they’re all Kiwis on site, they don’t start till 9 am, they piss off at 4 pm they work slower than I do mowing my lawns or gardening, their lunch break last a heck of a long time and they all seem to be lazy as fuck. I guess if you add in the RMA it only makes things worse.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 6, 2018

        They’re two storeys. The frames are all pre-made, trucked in and craned into place. They go up quickly. The scaffolders are efficient as heck. 3 stories up in 2 & 1/2 days. Think they’re Chinese.

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        • Griff.

           /  November 6, 2018

          That s building Gezza
          Weeks or work to prepare profile a site build boxing, underfloor drains, re bar etc looks like you have done nothiing.
          Then the concrete trucks come in one day you have a floor.
          Once its set you get the frames and that takes a day or two max to assemble.
          Then its weeks of work to get it all straight and plumb, wiring, plumbing, building any complex on site woods etc before you can roof and clad. Hours wise assembling the framing a very small part of a build.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 6, 2018

            Yeah, I realise that I’m allowing for all that Griff. The prep work takes a long time. It’s the slowness and the general yelling & clowning around that goes on once the framing’s up that has me fascinated. I think they’re averaging about 20 nailgun nails an hour & they crank up a saw on the hour to see if it’s still working or it’s rusted solid yet. ;D

            They’re on to the second block now. The delays between stages, when absolutely nothing happens for sometime two weeks or more are fascinating and I’m guessing either there is shortage of tradies and they’re vanning about from project to project or there are delays in inspections.

            But it’s certainly slow progress.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 6, 2018

        House prices are a bit low in Tawa Gezza according to the dompost today what’s up?

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        • Gezza

           /  November 6, 2018

          Interesting. Hard to say without a link. Certainly no difficulty selling any. It’s always been a popular suburb with excellent schools.

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    • Corky

       /  November 6, 2018

      That attitude extends into retail. Gone are the days when a salesperson could make a decision without checking with management. It’s worse when you have a complaint. The word I come across often in that regard is ”escalate .” ” We will escalate your complaint .”
      When I tell them it’s a poor use of language, they ask why?

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      • Gezza

         /  November 6, 2018

        When they ask why, what do you say?

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        • Corky

           /  November 6, 2018

          I would like to answer, but I don’t want this thread filled with worthless trolling.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 6, 2018

            😳

            Your answer would be worthless trolling?? o_O

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 6, 2018

              Yes. 😀

              I have never heard anyone in a shop say that. Perhaps I don’t complain enough, but even when I do, they don’t escalate it. Perhaps they want to hurry up constant complainers to get rid of them.

              No shop worker can make decisions that go against the shop’s policy and they never have been able to. I wouldn’t expect a supermarket worker to sell alcohol or cigarettes to underage teenagers and keep their job. Nor would a shop worker sell more of a restricted item than the shop and the law allow.

            • Gezza

               /  November 6, 2018

              Possibly Corky encounters quite a few “escacalations” on account of being one of “those” customers.

            • Gezza

               /  November 6, 2018

              *escalations
              (Ah fuck it: esacalations was close enough.)

          • Corky

             /  November 6, 2018

            Like shooting fish in a barrel .😁

            ”A customer escalation is a scenario where a customer is not pleased with an employee interaction and wants someone at a higher level within the company to resolve the complaint. Escalations should be taken seriously, because this means you have an irate or agitated customer on your hands.”

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            • Gezza

               /  November 6, 2018

              Some customers are so constantly irate or agitated they get a rep for it.

            • Gezza

               /  November 6, 2018

              (They’re the ones the staff are told to escalate to someone who’s been specially trained to handle difficult customers.)

            • Gezza

               /  November 6, 2018

              (🌸 for the pansy)

            • Gezza

               /  November 6, 2018

              🌸🌸

    • Blazer

       /  November 6, 2018

      ‘There is no mystery about why NZ productivity lags’…its because of the non tradeable sector…the FIRE economy…fed by 9 years of National incompetence.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 6, 2018

        Fatuous, B. Productivity problems far predate that.

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        • Blazer

           /  November 6, 2018

          so are you suggesting that National are in fact NOT ‘sound economic managers’?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  November 6, 2018

            They certainly haven’t rolled back buresucracy with the energy that Douglas and Trump have shown.

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  9. Corky

     /  November 6, 2018

    National applying the hurt on Jacinda in the house today. What could have been if Labour didn’t have this problem hanging over their heads.

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    • sorethumb

       /  November 6, 2018

      Citizens only vote.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 6, 2018

        Bullshit. Citizens do thousands of other things.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 6, 2018

          Actually that is the real existential issue. We are heading inexorably for a society in which the politicians and bureaucrats make the rules and the robots obey them while the rest of us sit around waiting for our next fix and wondering what happened.

          As soon as robots can do most things it will be too dangerous to let citizens do anything. There is always a risk they will harm themselves or others. Avoidance of risk is the end of freedom and we are well launched down that path. Politicians and bureaucrats and lobbyists have got that momentum rolling.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 6, 2018

            I know. I’m still doing what I can to save the world for less than $1 day though.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 6, 2018

      Read the article earlier and wasn’t very impressed. Mostly scaremongering and demands for stupid solutions for non-existent problems.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  November 6, 2018

        … stupid solutions for non-existent problems … if what you really want is an American-style ‘bribes for policy’ oiligarchy ….

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 6, 2018

          Non-existent problem and stupid solution just as I noted.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  November 6, 2018

            Of course if you were really worried about it you would cite the only factual example: union funding of the Labour Party.

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  10. Corky

     /  November 6, 2018

    On the news I saw a mad Iranian Mullah call America an enemy. Then we see an American spokesperson say Iran sponsors terrorism. Then we see Iranian protesters burning the American flag…and the Israeli flag. Enough said.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 6, 2018

      They really don’t get it – these Muslim religious fundamentalists & Middle Eastern Arabs. They still give these bellicose speeches announcing victory to their people and their soldiers as the bombs are raining down on their heads and the tanks are rolling in to the front gardens. It’s all so medieval.

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      • Blazer

         /  November 6, 2018

        look to George Bush…’mission accomplished’!

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        • Corky

           /  November 6, 2018

          Mission accomplished for Muslims and liberals when Trumpy leaves office, or becomes a lame duck president tomorrow.

          Trumpy’s legacy will be..what was, and what could have been v what American will have post Trump.

          America’s enemies will be back to laughing at the soft weak effete “American way.”

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        • Gezza

           /  November 6, 2018

          I’m also talking about Assad and Putin, and both sides of Yemini conflict, and Hamas, and the Afghani regime, and the two sides of the Libyan conflict. These turkeys all preach this Islamic-inspired garbage rhetoric trying to garner world support when they just don’t get that the non-Islamic world thinks they’re savages and that Muslm & Arab cultural bullshit works against them. It doesn’t even work on other bloody Arabs. They’re fucked forever, those countries, until they grow out of Islam.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 6, 2018

      Muslims and Trump #cult45 you are like a pig in a poke

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