Charity boxing problems

I have always had concerns about charity boxing, where inexperienced boxers are put up against others with no way of being sure how well (or how poorly) they are matched.

I was very critical of putting an unfit, out of shape novice in his forties (Cameron Slater) up against a sports fit person in his twenties (Jessie Ryder). Unsurprisingly Slater was hammered – and will have suffered brain damage in the process. That may or may not have caused longer term problems.

Boxing is a risky sport – the aim of it is to cause brain damage.

It is very sad to see one charity boxer suffer enough brain damage to cause his death. I presume he knew the risks he was taking.

The only thing that surprises me about this is why it took so long.

‘Charity boxing’ organisers – which seems to mainly consist of putting inexperienced older men up against opponents of unknown ability and often of questionable fitness – must have a serious rethink about how to raise money.

 

 

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  1. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    These events attract huge crowds.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 9, 2018

      Some in the crowds seem huge.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        Huge crowds went to see gladiators, too, and they still go to see bulls being tormented and slaughtered. Hooray to any bull who gets in first and gores the matador.

        People go to see animals being tortured at rodeos.

        ‘What is sport to you is death to me.’

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  2. Strong For Life

     /  November 9, 2018

    I agree with you. I believe these occasions are popular, although I don’t know why, and raise significant funds for charity. It is ridiculous to put an unskilled charity boxer in the ring with an ex-professional sportsman. This is asking for trouble as the former professional is bound to be fitter, faster, stronger and a better athlete. Commonsense is needed when matching opponents, amateurs should never be put in the same ring as professional athletes.

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    • Damien

       /  November 9, 2018

      There are a lot of unprofessional fighters that could knock down a professional athlete, but they leave their sport to a Saturday night when an athlete starts mouthing in a pub. Cam Slater fought such an “athlete” that had been giving a hiding when being mouthy, but Cam was not so much unprofessional, as pathetic. The only ring that Cam should be in is oval, and is fenced by a powerful rope of muscle.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        Should be in or IS ?

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      • Marty

         /  November 9, 2018

        I’m surprised Slater hasn’t used this as an excuse for his behaviour currently before the courts to mitigate damages and loss.

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  3. Bill Brown

     /  November 9, 2018

    If you look at no head gear, that’s your problem

    It’s a terrible tragedy – unregulated

    Do you think Slater is brain damaged after his fight with the [deleted] cricketer?

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  4. Corky

     /  November 9, 2018

    It’s not called the sweet science for nothing. It takes years to learn how to protect yourself in a variety of ways during a boxing match.

    That said, as long as participants know the risk, and sign on the dotted line, the matter should end there. I suspect however this is going to become another area of protest for fuckwit pressure groups who want boxing banned.

    Plastic bags are gone. Rodeos under pressure. Ditto fireworks and tree huts. We must ban them all.

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    • Bill Brown

       /  November 9, 2018

      I am going to make a lot more cotton wool as it will be massive

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      • Corky

         /  November 9, 2018

        It’s all about soft landings nowadays, Bill.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 9, 2018

          How much boxing have YOU done?

          Rodeos are brutal displays of cruelty to animals Some people are amused by the sight of calves being dragged along the ground and horses being injured, but I hope that these sadists will lose their sadistic pleasure.

          One tree hut was in trouble because it seemed as if it broke bylaws. This does not mean that all are under threat.

          By the way, plastic bags haven’t gone yet.

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  5. Gezza

     /  November 9, 2018

    Boxing for a living or for charity is nuts. Self defence training is not. You get in a ring as a stupid prick intending to beat some other stupid prick up, surrounded by unhinged dickheads who wouldn’t do it themselves (but all reckon on blogs etc that they could) baying for blood & hoping someone will get concussed. A tiny few of these stupid pricks wind up as rich stupid pricks & they’re so stupid they blow a lot of it on the shysters who encourage them & various folk who exploit their brain damage.

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    • Damien

       /  November 9, 2018

      Gezza

      You are right on so many levels, but what of the rugby deaths, motorcycle and car racing deaths, and deaths from over vigorous rooting – or watching porn, which according to statistics, everyone [including the ones that say they don’t] do that. Am I the only bloke that freely admits that he enjoys a good session of porn, followed by a bout or two of boxing on Sky Sports. Why isn’t porn a sport?

      Everyone wakes up knowing that they could die that day, and everyone goes to bed knowing that they might not wake up. The living bit is important, not the bit about not wanting to die.

      I boxed, [western and eastern], did Judo, Karate, and a bit of disco dancing, and a lot of rooting. I have a story about when I had the unique opportunity to combine all of them in the one evening.

      This enabled me to take good care of myself, and some others that wanted to take good care of me, and I thoroughly enjoyed seeing my skills [all natural, because you don’t learn to fight at the upper echelons] used to beat the shit out of bullies.

      One time in Sydney I won a disco dancing competition with an extremely attractive Lebanese girl, got a shitty tin cup, some cash, and a bottle of champers, and when leaving the posh hotel was set upon by 5 or so “boogie-nighters” which I summarily disposed of with a few minutes of fist and forehead fury.

      However, camera footage of the battle of a few minutes disclosed mayhem and pandemonium, where other patrons were clearly shaken and intimidated by what occurred.

      I was set upon from behind, and whilst clearly under siege for a minute, mounted an attack of precision, power, and speed, that engulfed and overcame my attackers, where their aggression succumbed to their injuries.

      I walked free and proud of my exploits on two dancing floors. Oh, you ask about the rooting being combined in the action of that night. Well a receptionist that saw my efforts happened to see me at another bar that night and bad-a-bing – she got what she deserved, needed, and most importantly, wanted. Nope my last name is not misogyny.

      Un-natural speed and strength are the crucial ingredients, but nothing is less pleasant than an unequal fight, and the refs must stop these immediately. However a battle of superlative contact athleticism is something that enthral’s all, no matter the protestations.

      I say that a big tree is best felled with a sharp axe, and I was most certainly a sharp axe. There is no great defence in fighting a skilled adversary. So if you are unmatched in the area of attack, you will pay the price.

      The difference with these corporate fights is that they pair contestants that are not equal in power, speed, aggression, and fitness, or were a contestant has no defence, or has no understanding how tiring, gruelling, and intimidating, fighting for survival is, no matter that its “for fun”. A ring has no escape, but the canvas. I have seen a 50 something kick the shit out of a 20 something.

      A 90 KG fit bloke is a 120 to 130kg unfit bloke, and a 90 kg unfit bloke is a 65 to 70kg fit bloke, so when the wrong competition presents the results can be deadly. Add the other elements and serious injury is assured over 1 minute, let alone 9 or more. Age is important to a lesser extent.

      I never enjoyed the actual fighting but the result of felling a violent fuckwit, and seeing his recognition that his reign was over, was something that can still be rekindled with fondness.

      Its not about knowing that you will win, but knowing that you want it more than the other guy. That is embedded in fitness training, and mental toughness. These are limited by DNA, and life experience. In this, combat sports, but especially boxing is more than a science, it is a religion where you play god. And I am a believer, if not a high priest.

      Those that are killed, in the end, are imposters and infidels, and whilst death is undeserved, it will follow foolishness.

      Thats right – foolishness is the ultimate culprit, and it can kill anyone, anywhere, at anytime.

      Lots of love, hugs, kisses, and head kicks.

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  November 9, 2018

    Provide appropriate charitable support for some kindly cause of giving – breast cancer, prostate cancer, kidscan, child-poverty, homelessness, women’s refuge and victims of domestic violence – with a public bout of domestic violence … It makes perfect sense …

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    • Corky

       /  November 9, 2018

      Domestic Violence! Give me a break, Parti. Sometimes a rational discourse on some situation that makes perfect sense, isn’t perfect sense. Humans have more facets to there being. Rational logical decisions are only part of that equation.

      You will need to learn the sweet science to understand what I mean.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 9, 2018

        The solution is for him to understand how to make confectionery?

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      • Griff.

         /  November 9, 2018

        Yess corky.
        I can see how getting your head smacked around would appeal to you .
        It causes brain damage.
        One must ask how much boxing have you done?.

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        • Corky

           /  November 9, 2018

          I think you have me mixed up with Damien above. Why pick on me?

          Stop your worthless trolling.

          Boxing record:

          3 years amateur training. 4 amateur fights for 3 wins, 1 loss.

          I enjoyed the training more than the actual boxing.

          Moved on to CQB.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  November 9, 2018

      Just because we, the media (in the broadest possible sense) are focused on the barbaric aspects of our history, doesn’t mean life was or is primarily barbaric for the average person or the majority of people … or that the future needs to be barbaric at all …

      I find it interesting how threatening some people find the idea of a less barbaric life …

      I admire people who have made the irrational, illogical decision to be non-violent and pacifist.

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  7. MaureenW

     /  November 9, 2018

    As a child and teenager, I never questioned boxing. Once I became I mother, it made me feel decidedly queasy. People bashing each other and calling it sport – is “primitive”. Why not guns or lions – that would be more entertaining.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 9, 2018

      How about rodeos where people are treated the way that animals are ? Or dogfights where a human is thrown into the ring with dogs?

      We know now how the brain reacts to head injuries, and people have always known that it DID, so why this barbaric sport (sic) is still around is a mystery to me.

      People make vast sums doing what would put them in prison outside the ring. It’s insane.

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    • Corky

       /  November 9, 2018

      Lol..good one, Maureen.😄

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  8. MaureenW

     /  November 9, 2018

    How about just giving people access to Lime Scooters for a sport – hilarious.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/108483785/man-in-hospital-after-crashing-lime-scooter-in-central-christchurch

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  9. Corky

     /  November 9, 2018

    This clip has it all. Feral bikers; supposed rednecks and a firearm. Justice was swift. This biker will have cause to reevaluated his life as he faces months of either Physio or Chiropractic to realign his cervical column.

    This was the reason I left boxing for CQB. Boxing has rules..the real world has none.

    So people who dribble on about boxing need to realise, it’s a much worse outside the ring.

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    • Because it is worse elsewhere is pretty lame justification for claiming that two humans deliberately trying to beat each other unconscious is a sport. It appeals to the lowest possible primeval instincts that one would have hoped had been largely extinguished from civilised man.

      Rugby is a sport – a hard contact sport – but it does not tolerate that sort of feral stupidity.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        If these men were in the ring, there’d be an audience braying and baying.

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      • Corky

         /  November 9, 2018

        It’s a matter of opinion, Sailor. You are welcome to yours. What worries me is limp wrists like you may take my right, and that of others, away from us to enjoy the sweet science.

        It should be none of our business what adults do.

        Please feel free not to watch.

        However, if you think about it, the sweet science in the ring is a its most basic. But conflict and strategy exist throughout society. The moves you see in the ring have their analogies in politics and business. This of course will be lost on many Google experts pontificating on this thread.

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  10. Loki

     /  November 9, 2018

    Our hero gave Jesse Ryder’s fist a brutal beating and the canvas probably needed a concussion test when his butt slapped into it too.
    I have rewatched that “fight” a few times today..

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