Is Lees-Galloway really at risk as a minister?

The Karel Sroubek issue continues to cause discomfort for Minister of Immigration Iain Lees-Galloway, and this is creating a problem for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.

National have been calling for Lees-Galloway’s resignation, and repeated that yesterday after Lees-Galloway admitted to spending just an hour considering the deportation of Sroubek, and to not reading the whole file he was given.

Ardern has now changed her stance from expressing confidence in Lees-Galloway to not expressing confidence, which may be an ominous sign.

I’m reluctant to jump on the sack-the-Minister bandwagon. And Lees-Galloway had seemed to be doing an ok job as a Minister.

But being a Minister of Government is a very responsible job. Minister’s make decisions that have major impacts on the lives of individuals (and of many people).

It appears that Lees-Galloway has not been up to scratch on this. I don’t know whether that justifies a resignation or a sacking, but either is looking an increasingly likely outcome. That would be sad as a result of a bit of a slack stuff-up, but that’s the nature of politics, and if Lees-Galloway isn’t up to the job he shouldn’t be given that responsibility.

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  1. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    National have been baying for ILG’s resignation.
    Pathetic.
    They know, you know and everybody else with an ounce of commonsense knows that it’s in no way a resignation that’s needed to sort this issue out.

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    • Strong For Life

       /  November 9, 2018

      What is needed to sort this out?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        If anyone else is hoping to win the Highest Downtick Number for 2018, they are likely to be disappointed.

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  2. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    Pete says: ” I don’t know whether that justifies a resignation or a sacking…”
    Really? You don’t know? Sitting on the fence over that judgement call?
    Good grief!

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    • I’m not an expert on what justifies a ministerial sacking or resignation. Ultimately it’s a judgment call by the prime Minister, or a bowing to pressure by the Minister. I can’t guess what they’re thinking.

      Do you know?

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 9, 2018

        “It appears that Lees-Galloway has not been up to scratch on this.” That’s your opinion, Pete. You don’t know that ” Lees-Galloway has not been up to scratch on this.”, you are speculating and there’s no reason why you can’t also speculate that a resignation or sacking is not justified. Instead, you’ve claimed you can’t.

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        • And you’ve expressed your opinion. You are speculating. You don’t know what you claim.

          I’ve said I’m uncertain of what Ardern is thinking and may or may not do.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 9, 2018

            We know that he said one minute that he hadn’t read the file, he said it several times, then said that he had. We know that he has let a convicted drug smuggler with a false passport and a record of involvement with gangs stay in NZ. This seems a very bad decision; why is someone like that let to live here?.

            It’s poor judgement all round. He ought to go for Labour’s sake.

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  3. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    “Immigration Minister Iain Lees Galloway is in a bind. As long as Karel Sroubek remains in NZ, the Minister cannot reveal the full story of why his department’s advisers recommended the convicted drug smuggler be allowed to stay.

    National’s Michael Woodhouse, a former Immigration Minister, knows full well that Lees Galloway cannot be completely transparent about the case. Woodhouse would have been in the same situation himself many, many times.

    And this is central to the whole issue.

    National are cynically manipulating rules they were entirely comfortable with when they were in Government.”
    https://thestandard.org.nz/ilg-a-rock-and-a-hard-place/

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    • Corky

       /  November 9, 2018

      Is ILG’ allowed to say there are extenuating circumstances to this case..call Bridges in and explain the situation?

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 9, 2018

        What, and ask him to respect confidentiality and ease of the attacks if it’s clear that ILG isn’t at fault?
        Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
        Simon can’t even do that with his own MPs. He can hardly be trusted to respect those of the Government. Remember his first “clever ploy” in the House around the election of the Speaker? Bridges, trustworthy? Hardly!

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        • Corky

           /  November 9, 2018

          ”What, and ask him to respect confidentiality and ease off the attacks if it’s clear that ILG isn’t at fault?”

          Yes..to break confidentiality in such a situation would destroy Bridges as a leader and politician…in my opinion.

          However you haven’t answered my other question:

          ”Is ILG allowed to say there are extenuating circumstances to this case?”

          Seems to me that would shut things up. If the public was unconvinced..call Bridges in to explain.

          Maybe I’m naive, and you are right. But it seems to me Labour is taking unnecessary lumps over this situation. That suggests no extenuating circumstances. Just plain incompetence.

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          • robertguyton

             /  November 9, 2018

            ”Is ILG allowed to say there are extenuating circumstances to this case?”
            I don’t know.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 9, 2018

      What pathetic rubbish. If the rules are clear and the decision was justified why is there now a review and a desperate attempt to reverse it?

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    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  November 9, 2018

      The department does not make a recommendation.
      That is the Minister’s prerogative.
      “The whole case file goes to the Minister, there is no advice provided with that and it’s at the absolute discretion of that decision maker to decide.”

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12153646

      The Minister didn’t read the full report; the Minister was either lazy or had already decided in favour of granting Sroubek residency.
      The Minister and Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters have created an obfuscating cloud around this matter.
      Why?

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12153646

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    • Gezza

       /  November 9, 2018

      TS? Were this a National Immigration Minister there would be no talk of his being in a bind. There’d be calls there for him to resign.

      I don’t think it’s a resigning matter though. It’s just a good learning experience.

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  5. Blazer

     /  November 9, 2018

    Lees just needs to say…he will revoke the PR no matter what it takes and deport the man.

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  6. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    Is it true that Michael Woodhouse MP is “the man who claimed Worm Farming was a high risk occupation!”???

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    • Corky

       /  November 9, 2018

      Worm juice caused my old strain Nicotiana to grow 8 feet tall; grow into a security junction box and short the system. Aside from that, I once explained to a passing feral who stopped to comment on the intoxicating scent, that these plants were a close relative of tobacco plants. Leaves then started disappearing from that day on.

      So, yeah…Woodhouse is correct. Worm farming can be dangerous occupation.

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 9, 2018

        Impeccable logic, Corky – big ups!

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 9, 2018

        And…you told a “passing feral” that the plant was related to tobacco…
        ‘K. I see what I’m dealing with here.

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        • Corky

           /  November 9, 2018

          Promoting smoking just by a slip of my tongue. Smokers with no money are desperate for a hit. They will dry and burn all types of leaves to get satisfaction.

          The security system was down. I was at the mercy of any feral who may have wanted to break into my home.

          All this because my worm juice made my Nicotiana grow huge.

          No worm farming…no worm juice..no large plants…no security breach..no guilty feelings thinking about ferals ruining their health with material I grew.

          Makes perfect sense to me.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 9, 2018

            Worm juice must can make a plant grow into a security junction box ??? How?

            Surely Scrotum the dog would keep people away if this box didn’t work.

            I have never heard of anyone making worm juice; how cruel. Ughhhh..

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 9, 2018

              Michael Woodhouse did NOT claim that worm farming was high risk; you are putting words in his mouth.It’s a really bad habit that you have, Robert. He said that it had been put in with ‘other livestock’ which meant that it was erroneously classed with the high risk occupations.This was corrected.

              At one time carrying alcohol from the shop to the car was a crime because of accidental wording in the law, but nobody was prosecuted for it and the wording was changed as soon as it was discovered.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 10, 2018

              Woodhouse classified worms along with livestock such as cattle and sheep?
              Ha ha ha ha ha!
              You’re right Kitty, I shouldn’t be mocking him for that perfectly reasonable decision. Dangerous and unpredictable, those worms! Did Woodhouse want the de-horning rules applied to worms also?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 10, 2018

              Don’t be puerile.

              I have no intention of explaining it again. You are behaving like the school pupils who try to make Miss explain something again and again, and it’s tiresome enough when a child does it, let alone an adult.

    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  November 9, 2018

      Thread jacking by a jack xxx….. keep going Robert. you’re guaranteeing the perception of Greens is of fools and loons…..

      Do you know how to stay on topic ….??

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        94 on one page !

        Mazel Tov !

        Come on, PDTs, 6 more and he’ll have 100.

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 9, 2018

        You already think that, Trevors_Elbow, so why should I stop?? In any case, it was Corky who introduced worm juice into the discussion. I’d have preferred to stick to the topic, but some people can’t.

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        • Corky

           /  November 9, 2018

          Yes, but, I followed the lead…and expanded on said lead.

          Robertguyton /

          ”Is it true that Michael Woodhouse MP is “the man who claimed Worm Farming was a high risk occupation!”???”

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  7. duperez

     /  November 9, 2018

    Lees-Galloway’s main problem is his political persona. He plays it too cautious and conservative.

    He is being roundly condemned in some places by those who love the new, bold, unorthodox approach of real leaders, like Donald Trump. They love the bravado, the ‘get stuffed I’m in charge’ style.

    Less-Galloway from the outset should have started sending early morning tweets. “I’ve a allowed a Czech crim to stay in the country but I’ll bounce him if he steps out of line” would’ve made a nice start.

    All hell would have broken loose. “You can’t say that, that’s picking on him,” “That’s not Ministerial” …

    A bit later, “I’m the Minister Michael Outhouse, butt out.”

    Brazen and bullshit is what they want. If they’d got that would they be calling for his resignation and sacking now? Sure, for being too upfront and assertive.

    (The subject of the immigration case is apparently on some sort of three year good behaviour contract. Not acceptable of course because he’s a demon. The same situation but with a five year bond exists currently for a repeat sex offender. But he’s okay, he’s no demon.)

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  8. Zedd

     /  November 9, 2018

    Govt. would be foolish to push another minister to the back-bench.. ILG is too experienced, to ditch on the first ‘strike/offence’

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  9. PDB

     /  November 9, 2018

    ILG and the govt could have simply sorted this all out right in the beginning by allowing a national party spokesperson in private to view all the data that ILG, Winston and Ardern seemed to think was so convincing in allowing Sroubek to stay.

    My educated guess is they didn’t do so because it wasn’t convincing & they hoped saying cryptic things like ‘read between the lines’ would be enough to falsely suggest there was some major reason why they didn’t kick him out of the country.

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    • Blazer

       /  November 9, 2018

      stupid idea…there are dozens of cases to come before the minister.
      As you know National ministers over turned 108 deportation orders.

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      • PDB

         /  November 9, 2018

        Dozens of cases but this particular one has been picked up by the MSM and is a big story – stupid idea to the left because it would clearly show what a cock up they’ve made in this case.

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        • robertguyton

           /  November 9, 2018

          Thank God for Jamie-Lee Ross, Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett!!

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  10. NOEL

     /  November 9, 2018

    Lots of info but nothing on his return to Czechoslovakia. Final report is going to be interesting.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108490175/immigration-new-zealand-explains-how-karel-sroubek-case-worked

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