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  1. lurcher1948

     /  November 9, 2018

    After and over 300 mass shootings this year,USA sort your sh*t out…enough is enough
    Mexico and Canada build a wall to keep them in

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    • Corky

       /  November 9, 2018

      I don’t think the Caravan Of Criminals would like that, Lurchy. Must be bad down the South America way for these people to want to enter America..for a better life!

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        You have no right to call people who have not been convicted of crimes criminals.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  November 9, 2018

          Corky doesn’t like me because i lived long enough to be a pensioner

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 10, 2018

            He also doesn’t like you because your achievements with RED Velvet-Ears are genuine and on video.

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  2. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    Will National ever be able to shake the JLR monkey off its back?

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    • Will the Green Party ever be able to shake the Metiria monkey off it’s back?

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 9, 2018

        You’re quick to defend National, Pete. Leaning their way, are you?
        Tit for tat is a low form of defence – could you come up with something original? Perhaps an ad hominem ?

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        • Very funny Robert. Is this a deliberate joke? Or are you oblivious to your irony.

          I haven’t defended National at all. I didn’t mention them.

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          • robertguyton

             /  November 9, 2018

            Oh, Pete! You leapt to National’s defence with a diversion involving The Greens who are, btw, in Government and having a far, far greater effect on the direction of the country than ever before. The Greens have weathered the storm that was generated around Metiria, won a place at the governing table and their support, as evidenced by the latest poll, is on the increase. In fact, they and Labour could now govern without the need for NZ1, though I’m happy to have a 3-way coalition; it’s working very well indeed, despite to frenzied beat-ups by the Right and its supporters on blogs like this one. Jacinda’s popularity is soaring as you’ll have seen at Ratana – what an elegant piece of political theatre that was and how warmly Jacinda was received, especially by the tamariki – with a charismatic, kind leader like Jacinda, the coalition Government looks to be ensconced comfortably for a long time to come, despite Eeyoring from the likes of Corky, Alan, David et al here on Your NZ.

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            • I didn’t leap to anyone’s defence. I find it very funny that you are accusing me of diversion.

              You seem to really struggle with the concept of people having different political and sociaal views to your own.

              You also have no idea about the concept of critiquing (and praising) parties and politicians across the spectrum. You seem to see everything good as green, and anything that differs from your views an preferences must be black.

              If you don’t like different opinions being expressed why do you participate here? You’re not going to change different people from having different views. Neither am I.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              You say, Pete, that you “are not going to change” the views of others. Why then, the long comment attempting to change mine? A bit of self-awareness would go a long way, Pete.

            • Gezza

               /  November 9, 2018

              The Greens have weathered the storm that was generated around Metiria

              They sacked two longstanding upstanding members who objected to her dishonesty, then let her resign because she was utterly tanking their support, and now they pretend to only vaguely remember her.

              I must admit, as weathering goes, that’s pretty heavy weather.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              Your opinion about those events, Gezza, doesn’t align with mine and given that I was closer to the action, I believe mine is much better informed. Still, being lightly-informed, mis-informed even, never stopped anyone from expressing their views here.

            • Griff.

               /  November 9, 2018

              “i was closer to the action”
              To close to see what the rest of NZ thought of the woman and her calculated theft from us.
              I am not the only one who will not vote greens because of the loony fringe SJW and woo infused nutters the party has on its list,
              If you dropped them and become more focused on the environment you could do better than always excluded from govermnt due to your fringe loon quotient.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              “To close to see…”
              Nope. Close enough to see and hear a more nuanced and thorough version of events. I was also well aware of the narrative out in the public arena, Griff, as you were. The general tenor of your comments indicates to me that I shouldn’t bother myself too much with your opinions on The Greens. Climate change is a different matter.

            • Gezza

               /  November 9, 2018

              Too blinkered by being mates to see what everyone could see you mean.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              No, I don’t mean that. I could see what everyone else could see – it’s a fairly simple view, but knew of other aspects as well. Gezza, did you admire those people who constantly accused Key of lying, even compiling lists of his lies and assigning him “names” like Keynocchio, etc? Just wondering and noticing that you keep accusing Jacinda of “telling porkies” – I wonder if you did the same when Key was at the height of his dishonesty reign.

            • Gezza

               /  November 9, 2018

              robert, just so there’s no misunderstanding here, you positively seethe with hatred & enmity for people just having opposing political viewpoints or questioning others’, & leap to unjustified conclusions about your “enemies” knowing little or nothing of the real facts because you don’t know the people concerned: you are as parochial and blinkered as fuck when it comes to anybody whose politics or philosophy you like to think you espouse (but don’t always actually demonstrate) and you positively reek of hypocrisy with many of your comments – which you don’t even bother to finish editing – which is just farkin lazy.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              Your comments are just silly, Gezza. As for editing, “Robert” has a capital letter at its head, as do all pronouns.

            • Gezza

               /  November 10, 2018

              My comments are right on the button, as you know, @robertguyton as is my spelling of your first name.

              It would be the height of rudeness & bad manners for me to capitalise the first letter of your given name, because you yourself do not spell it with a capital letter.

              The last thing I want to do is cause gratuitous offence.

              So if you want your given name spelled with a capital R, get off your bloody arse and spell it with a bloody capital R yizsef. Otherwise, please pull yiz feckin haid in !

            • robertguyton

               /  November 10, 2018

              I see what you mean, Gezza. Otoh, sentences written in English traditionally start with a capital letter, I’ve noticed.

            • Gezza

               /  November 10, 2018

              Ok, fairynuff – as long as you’re not offended by a capital R at the start of a sentence I’ll use one if I use your given name at the start of a sentence – or I’ll try and avoid starting a sentence with robert.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 10, 2018

              Technically, Gezza, and according to Pete’s requirements, we are all to use, unadulterated, the names provided, be they nom de plumes or those used officially. That being the case, yours is “Gezza” and, according to Pete, should be used un-modified by others. Mine, point of fact, is “robertguyton”, not “robert”. Just saying’, coz you brought the issue up (and used some fairly unkind language in the process and you know I’ve a delicate constitution 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  November 10, 2018

              Have you ever come across the phrase: “Pushing your luck”, robert? o_O

        • Greens have struggled in a number of ways since the Turei upheaval. Significantly fewer MPs has had a major impact, especially with their three best MPs very busy now as ministers.

          And Turei’s replacement as deputy leader and social justice warrior, Marama Davidson, is struggling to find her way without getting offside with some Green supporters.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 9, 2018

      It’s off National’s back and sucking on Winston’s tits. Like the Greens.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        Someone who keeps dragging in Jami-Lee Ross and Simon Bridges in a reflex action every time the Sroubek case is mentioned is hardly in a position to accuse others of ‘diversion’.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  November 9, 2018

    does Simon Bridges…lie
    Is Judith Collins a cyberbully
    Does the National party care about bullied females???
    so many questions

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    • Gezza

       /  November 9, 2018

      I’m not entirely sure Labour cares about hands thrust down the pants of attendees at Labour Youth Camps. Has that report been released yet? So many questions there too. Didn’t Kirton resign & go to work with Sir John The Golfer at Air Allblacks.com or something?

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  4. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    With Parliament’s proportionality unchanged, how will Bridges justify invoking the wake-jumping legislation to rid himself of JLR?

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    • Griff.

       /  November 9, 2018

      He has already rid himself and the party of the bell end.
      Why would he bother using the waka jumping law when it makes no difference to national now what JLR does.
      Let him suck the taxpayer tit for another two years then sink into obscurity
      It will still be cheaper than a forced by election .

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 9, 2018

        “Rid himself…”
        That’s up to JLR really…tick…tick…

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        • Gezza

           /  November 9, 2018

          If what we’ve seen so far are JLR’s best shots that tick tick is coming from his own political-&-professional-suicide vest. But we’ll see.

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          • robertguyton

             /  November 9, 2018

            Yeah – the Nat’s have emerged unscathed!

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            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              Case closed. Nothing to see there. A rogue event. An aberration.
              BAD Jami-Lee!

            • Gezza

               /  November 9, 2018

              Well, they might recover yet. Who knows what competition they’ll get for political embarrassments before the election that might make them look like paragons of virtue in comparison? Labour and NZF have quite a few smelly corpses in the cupboard that might tumble out, the PGF is rich territory for scandal, big business is already courting Labour, more territory for “misunderstandings” and the clearly unions are planning to squeeze their gonads, possibilities for dodgy deals & cronyism abound and where they exist they usually get exploited sooner or later.

              And you never what bad behaviour is going to end up getting exposed and tank your party – look what happened, the Feminist Green party had a benefit fraudster start boasting about it, trying to steal Labour voters. We all remember what a shit shambles that caused. They’re only in government because the Greens quietly elbowed her out. Jacinda wasn’t going to touch that political corpse, even with rubber gloves. It was all “Fuck you, you tried to steal our voters, you cow, sayonara sister” but said ever so much more kindly than that, of course.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              The “Jami-Lee Ross” situation is a live issue. The “Metiria Turei” is not, except in your head, it seems, Gezza. I guess you feel it creates some sort of balance here on Your NZ, whenever Jami-Lee Ross is mentioned, to harp on about someone who has left politics some time ago, but to me it seems … obsessive. It would be as if I dragged the maggot-ridden political corpse of Todd Barclay out for an airing every time one of the Labour MPs gets accused of bullying or something even less salubrious. Aye!

            • Gezza

               /  November 9, 2018

              The “Jami-Lee Ross” situation is a live issue.

              Wankers and haters in the media and on some blgs are trying to make it so, but the general non-aligned public – i.e. most of those who don’t constantly spew out visceral hatred for National & love and flowers for their own preferred set of dodgy politicians doing deals – are actually less inclined to see JLR as anything more than a total prick, and to see Bridges as not the best leader for National, but simpy getting unfairly shafted over nothing unusal in the world of politics by the spitely, vengeful jealousy of a narcissistic traitor they’d unknowingly harboured in their midst.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 9, 2018

              Ross is a product of the “National Party Way”, hence the scale of the problem that’s bedevilling them now. 37% and falling. You can’t seperate Ross from National, no matter how hard you try. What goes around, comes around.

            • Gezza

               /  November 9, 2018

              PS: blgs are blogs that lack the “oh?” factor.

              Heading on down to ma’s now. I made her a nice mince so we can have mince on toast for lunch. Looks ok. Hope it tastes all right. These days I’m only really qualified to drive a microwave in the kitchen. Might pop back here after dinner. Behave, robert.)

            • Gezza

               /  November 9, 2018

              * ( – goes before Heading..)

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        So does Be.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  November 9, 2018

    The Judith Collin/Duncan Garner show was a laugh today.If I was the govt I wouldn’t supply a victim for Duncan to overtalk and just let it be the Judith Collins lovefest where he hints every time whens she’s making the big move to take on Simon Bridges.

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    • Corky

       /  November 9, 2018

      Those attendance records don’t look good. This gravy train rider may be coming to his final destination at the next election. He could teach the bros a thing or two.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 9, 2018

      He’ll have to go. 😡

      Who else have they got? 😳

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  November 9, 2018

    HDPA thinks the govt are a bunch of hipsters, i wonder what and where and how. NZME dragged HDPA from, AND WHY DOES WELLINGTON HAVE TO SUFFER HER STUPIDITY, HDPA stupid is as stupid does…with her idiot giggle/laugh…spare Wellington.shes more Auckland or Dunedin

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    • Gerrit

       /  November 9, 2018

      Is the dial fixed on your radio that you cannot tune into Red Radio?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 9, 2018

        On the other side is cooking and gardening and she who must be obeyed will not let me listen to music…” the white male eunuch” personified

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  November 9, 2018

    Winning is everything

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  8. robertguyton

     /  November 9, 2018

    37%

    “The AM Show host Duncan Garner says he was given access to the Government’s internal polling data this week, which shows Labour at 46 percent and National at 37 percent.”

    https://thestandard.org.nz/latest-poll-results-national-in-freefall/

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 9, 2018

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    • Corky

       /  November 9, 2018

      Cut to the chase. Who needs peripheral commentary? The fact is, as long as Bridges is the leader of National, National aren’t winning the next election.

      It’s all about Jacinda..and demarcating National as a better option to a clueless leader with an interfering partner and a groovy baby.

      That will either have to be another woman..or a younger good looking man. As Gezza says,women are behind Jacinda

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  November 9, 2018

        At this stage it doesn’t matter who the leader of the National party is. They have no way back into power until a viable support party emerges.
        The Maori party may come back – but I doubt it – and even if they do they would lean left.
        ACT are gone.
        Another conservative party of the ilk we’ve endured to date would drive centre voters away.
        Winston has a lot of control in this coalition and is unlikely to give it up by moving to National.
        From where we are today, it would take a long fall by the left before National are anywhere near the Government benches again.

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        • Corky

           /  November 9, 2018

          ‘ACT are gone.’
          It looks grim..but I won’t write them off just yet.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  November 9, 2018

            Seymour is a bit much like Judith. They come across as professional and coherent, are charismatic and can put together an excellent policy narrative.
            And then they will do or say something mind bendingly stupid which takes all the positives away and reminds you they are not cut out for promotion.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 9, 2018

        I’ve given you an uptick, mainly for noting that women will be voting for Jacinda in droves. Even if she shoots someone in the middle of their New Yorks, those not hit by stray bullets will still vote for her. That’s all there is and there ain’t no more.

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  9. Corky

     /  November 9, 2018

    President Trumpy loses his cool….and deals to media. I’m sure you have all seen this. But just in case Kitty hasn’t. She may learn something instead of listening to her Edison Wireless.
    😄😄

    .https://news.sky.com/video/sit-down-trumps-explosive-clash-with-reporter-11547583

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    • Gezza

       /  November 9, 2018

      White House press secretary Sarah Sanders on Wednesday night shared a video of CNN reporter Jim Acosta that appeared to have been altered to make his actions at a news conference look more aggressive toward a White House intern.

      The edited video looks authentic: Acosta appeared to swiftly chop down on the arm of an aide as he held onto a microphone while questioning President Donald Trump. But in the original video, Acosta’s arm appears to move only as a response to a tussle for the microphone. His statement, “Pardon me, ma’am,” is not included in the video Sanders shared.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/108472110/white-house-shares-doctored-video-to-support-punishment-of-cnn-journalist

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  November 9, 2018

        If it is doctored it is very marginal and doesn’t change the look of what happened.
        The “assault” is definitely overstated by the WH either way, but he still pushed down on her arm and wouldn’t hand the mic over when it was time to move on.
        Acosta was hardly the innocent in this incident.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 9, 2018

          The word “innocent” probably ought to be used sparingly in connection with Trumpy. I haven’t bothered to ready any of the links here. It’s just all more of the Trump Circus to me. Every now and then he might do something I’ll read about, but whining at members of the media he feeds to keep his own profile high is no longer one of them.

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    • Griff.

       /  November 9, 2018

      Ye corks poor Trumpie couldn’t cope with honest questions and spat the dummy .
      Wonder how he going to cope with Muller when the time comes?
      Cant kick him out because the questions are to embarrassing and Trumps usual defense telling lies will result in a charge of perjury..

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  November 9, 2018

        “So let’s take a step back. What happened in that room was not the ultimate fight for press freedom. This wasn’t someone risking life and limb against a regime where freedom of speech is forbidden. This was a bloke sitting in a room full of colleagues who were all trying to ask questions too.

        This was a man who’d had his turn and had been told he couldn’t hog the whole time.

        There are plenty of things to berate in the behaviour, language or ethics of Donald Trump. But this moment was not one of them. Pull him up for his lies, yes. But not for wanting to widen the conversation.

        The president took CNN’s question and then took more. And when he tried to move on, he couldn’t. Once the Acosta incident was over, he went on to take questions from journalists from all over the world – for a total of 90 minutes.”

        https://www.bbc.com/news/46147166

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  November 9, 2018

        “CNN’s Jim Acosta’s actions to Trump don’t represent the best of journalism
        BY AL TOMPKINS & KELLY MCBRIDE · NOVEMBER 8, 2018

        We want journalists to ask questions and seek truth. But Jim Acosta’s encounter Wednesday at a White House press conference was less about asking questions and more about making statements. In doing so, the CNN White House reporter gave President Donald Trump room to critique Acosta’s professionalism.

        If you look closely at the video, when Acosta was asking questions, his exchange with the president was on track and normal. Acosta asked. “Do you think that you demonize immigrants?” To which the president answered, “No.” A better question might have been, “How do you respond to the criticism that you are demonizing certain types of immigrants, namely poor immigrants?”

        But then Acosta’s questions ended and his statements began.

        “Your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls,” he said. And then, “They are hundreds of miles away, that’s not an invasion.” The heated exchange grew from there.

        Things got uncomfortable when Acosta refused to turn over the microphone to an intern who reached out to remove it from him, and then stood up to continue his banter without the microphone.

        This was a White House event and he was talking to the president of the United States. A briefing is not the same as a cable news wrestling match, where sides shout at each other.

        Acosta should have handed over the microphone.”

        https://www.poynter.org/news/cnns-jim-acostas-actions-trump-dont-represent-best-journalism

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 9, 2018

      If you think Trump #cult45 ,is honest,i mean how many orange people are honest, and they doctor film…shock horror orange is bad don’t trust orange

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      • The Consultant

         /  November 9, 2018

        Two years ago the MSM was screeching their guts out about a Trump campaign worker “manhandling” a reporter. Claiming it was sexual assault and demanding they be fired.

        Now – they’re actually defending the Acosta Excrement. He was there to asl question not fucking grandstand. When you’ve lost the BBC….

        So let’s take a step back. What happened in that room was not the ultimate fight for press freedom. This wasn’t someone risking life and limb against a regime where freedom of speech is forbidden. This was a bloke sitting in a room full of colleagues who were all trying to ask questions too.

        This was a man who’d had his turn and had been told he couldn’t hog the whole time.

        I’ve been in high-pressure press conferences. And the art is to ask the single most succinct question that will land you the best possible response.
        The achievement is not meant to be one of endurance.

        Wanker. He’s been doing this for months: probably angling for his own show.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 9, 2018

      If you mean an Edison Wireless File Server, Cork, that makes no sense.People don’t listen to these. If you mean a radio (people haven’t called them wirelesses for decades) that makes even less sense. Edison made lightbulbs, not radios.

      Someone who spends as much time as you do with an ear glued to their radio looks very silly mocking someone for supposedly listening to a ‘wireless’ as you quaintly call it.

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    • The Consultant

       /  November 9, 2018

      I liked this memory as well: Obama The Lightbringer, during a press conference in 2012.

      A reporter from The Daily Caller, a conservative news site, merely interrupted President Obama as he spoke about immigration. Obama snapped back, “I didn’t ask for an argument.”

      Meooowwww – bitchy!

      There was no pushing of arms. No repeated argumentation. No nasty comments. The reporter did’nt actually stand there for two minutes making the same assertion repeatedly. It was a single, brief interruption.

      And what was CNN’s response? They chided the guy for interrupting The Great Barack and angering him. They whined about how many times he’d been “disrespected”, and complained about the lack of civility plaguing our nation (nothing new under the sun then).

      On top of that, after that dreadful interruption, reporters mobbed the journalist and wrote critical pieces about his lack of etiquette. CBS News called it a “violation of decorum” that is “rarely done.” The Daily Mail called the reporter a “heckler.”

      Hypocrisy doesn’t cover the Whitehouse press corp. if they’d crawled along the carpet to fellate Obama they could not have better demonstrated that they’re nothing but Democratic operatives with bylines..

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  November 9, 2018

    Poor depressed Larry Williams the resident ALT RIGHT lackey on NZME is in full retard, the PM should resign etc etc…hair loss and a limited radio talkback future does that to you, Larry whose getting your slot soon…off to fox maybe or WINZ

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  11. Corky

     /  November 9, 2018

    Soft limp liberal judge fails to give crook maximum three strike sentence. Thanks Andy.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 9, 2018

      Andrew Little’s ban on the 3 Strikes was overturned.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 9, 2018

        The judge is just a little more likely to know what they are doing than you are to know about the reasons for the sentencing.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 9, 2018

      YAWN the judges think 3 strikes is crap,but ask Garrett he knows everything about passports, on KIWIBLOG he is one angry man,with violence in his manner as a failure in life , having to resign as a crim

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  12. Griff.

     /  November 9, 2018

    Porsche Mission E Grand Tourismo prototype shown charging at 250kW.
    https://electrek.co/2018/11/08/porsche-mission-e-prototype-charging-250kw/

    Porsche deployed its first 350kW CCS charging station last year and connected it to the grid in July. However, we’ve seen little in the way of testing and exactly how much of that 350kW is usable charge.

    Porsche claims that the 800V chargers can charge the battery pack to 80% in about 15 minutes. Since they haven’t published battery sizes yet, it’s hard to math our way into understanding exactly how much charge they plan to deploy at these stations. We know that Porsche is aiming for more than 300 miles of range so a 90kWh battery pack is probably a good estimate.

    c
    15 minutes to charge 80%..
    The technology is advancing at high speed.

    Once battery cost comes down ICE Will die .
    Five years and electric cars will reach cost parity ….

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