Media watch – Saturday

10 November 2018

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  1. robertguyton

     /  November 10, 2018

    “EDITORIAL: There’s nothing worse than politicians who are hypocrites, and right now the National Party falls right into that category.

    If you ever wanted to read about a cop-out, here’s a cracker one for you.

    The National Party, it seems, is “moving on”.
    Well, surely the public deserves more than the glib response that came from its chief press secretary on Friday.

    Moving on from what exactly?
    An editorial published on October 25 raised the point that another issue had arisen from the Jami-Lee Ross saga, in relation to the “You deserve to die” text, said to be from a colleague with whom he acknowledged he had been having an affair.

    Was it possible this text could be a breach of the Harmful Digital Communication Act, and could the sender of the text really stay in her role as an MP?

    So, on November 8, the following questions were put to the National Party

    * The “deserve to die” text reportedly came from a married MP. While National has indicated it is doing a review of its culture, has a separate investigation been launched to speak to the MP who reportedly sent his text?

    * What discussions has the party had with the MP who reportedly sent a text like that?

    * Has that MP been censured, faced internal discipline, or been stood down from duties? If no action has been taken by the party, why not?

    * Does the National Party believe that the text message sent breached the Harmful Digital Communication Act?

    * Does the National Party still believe the MP, who reportedly sent the text, is still fit to be an MP and represent the National Party, given they reportedly sent a text saying someone deserved to die?

    * Has the MP offered to stand down? Or, are they still carrying out their duties as normal?

    And wait for it, here’s the no comment from National.

    “The National Party has no comment on these matters. Jami-Lee Ross is no longer a National MP and the party is moving on.”

    Moving on … we don’t think so.

    Hence the following response was sent back to the National Party.

    “This response is not satisfactory, the public deserve an answer as to how you are handling the MP who reportedly sent a text saying “you deserve to die”. Moving on is not acceptable. Can you please answer these questions by 5pm today.”

    And, wait for it, here’s the no comment again from National … “we have no further comment”.

    National may be “moving on” as it puts it, but in its wake it is leaving a trail of distrust, arrogance, and a big finger to its own party values.

    Don’t forget that front and centre of National’s core values for building a society are two important words. Personal Responsibility.

    Where is the personal responsibility of a party that won’t answer questions. And where is the personal responsibility of the MP who reportedly sent the “you deserve to die” text?

    Surely by now the MP in question would front up and take personal responsibility.

    Hypocrites.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/108488279/moving-on-is-not-acceptable

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    • Gezza

       /  November 10, 2018

      Christ Allfuckingmighty ! What a load of sanctimonious bullshit. Did you write that, robert?

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    • Corky

       /  November 10, 2018

      Seriously, Robert. All I see is a non event. I can think of a million things you could tackle National over…’you deserve to die’ written in a text, promoted by an affair of the heart isn’t one of them.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 10, 2018

        Tru dat. Gave you an uptick, Corks.

        Treasure it. It might be the only one today.

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 10, 2018

        The editorial featured in The Southland Times today, Corky. Perhaps it has special relevance to Southlanders? No, Gezza, it was not written by me.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  November 10, 2018

          It sees to be big news in Southland, I have to agree with Corky as well, a day of first including an up tick as well.

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        • robertguyton

           /  November 10, 2018

          I’m giving him one as well, mostly because of his comment:
          “I can think of a million things you could tackle National over”.
          That’s inspirational stuff right there, Corky!

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          • Gezza

             /  November 10, 2018

            Ask him for a list. Might save you some time later. He seems in a reasonable mood at the moment.

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          • Corky

             /  November 10, 2018

            Nothing I haven’t said repeatedly. The problem is people are in such a hurry to put the boot in, they gloss over my criticisms of National..in fact it doesn’t register.

            Of course, I wouldn’t want it any other way… that allows me to have some fun.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 10, 2018

      I suspect Southlanders are quite capable of recognising sanctimoniius bull shit when they see it, Robert. I doubt that editorial will go down too well withh its readers there.

      Will you be campaigning on this isssue at the next election?

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 10, 2018

        Have you read Pete’s post on this, Alan?
        He’s gone to some considerable lengths to explain the ins and outs of the issue.

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  2. Corky

     /  November 10, 2018

    Innocent Australian infidel dies.

    Quote about attacker:

    “He is known to police, mainly in respect to relatives that he has that are persons of interest to us.”

    Seems like there are plenty more where he came from.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/09/melbourne-bourke-street-attack-dead-injured-man-arrested-stabbings

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 10, 2018

      New Zealand should not accept Muslim refugees. Who in their right minds want to.import deluded haters?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 10, 2018

        Well, Corky’s here. He must be a hater if he calls people infidels. I have yet to hear a Muslim say this of anyone.

        Muslim refugees are fleeing this sort of thing; I hope that you were being satirical, Alan.It’s like assuming that all Christians are like Gloriavale. The Muslims here are making a life for themselves and their families and going about their business like everyone else. The ones I have met seem nice, ordinary people…just like everyone else.

        I can’t believe that anyone would have accepted their help as translators and then just left them to it.

        It is extremely unintelligent to judge all members of a race or religion by the fanatical minority and think that they are all like that.

        Would you think that no one in their right mind would allow Maori to come to their country because of the ones who are in prison for violent crime, assuming that they are all like that? Or imagine that all Irish people are IRA bombers or all Italians Mafia criminals?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 10, 2018

          Sorry, Kitty, I think it is a foul religion and combined with the brutalised hell-holes these refugees have been nurtured in is just a toxic walking time-bomb.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 10, 2018

            People like all the Muslim doctors and nurses who work in the NZ hospitals and private practices ? The local Muslim chemist, shopworkers, cafe owners, City Councillors….

            They’ve been here long enough; no time bomb has gone off yet. I can’t believe that you are ignorant enough not to know that there are many kinds of Muslim. You might as well assume that someone who fled Ulster in the Troubles is an IRA bomber or that the many who fled Stalin’s Russia were all member of the KGB or mass killers.

            Do you think that all Germans are Nazis? If they are a certain age, they almost certainly were in Hitlerjugend or Hitlermadchen, and many Germans are still Nazis.

            The Koran, when you read it, is very like the Bible in its teachings. The obvious difference is that they don’t believe that Jesus is God in any form, but nor do Jews or theists.

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            • Corky

               /  November 10, 2018

              Well put , Alan. Poor Kitty can’t get her head around the fact it boils down to numbers..not good and bad Muslims. Once the population heads towards 5% , the more strident aspects of Islam come forward, pushing moderate Muslims into the background. Of course, moderate Muslims have little choice but to follow.. especially if they treasure family and their safety.

              Obviously Kitty needs new specs because she just isn’t seeing what’s happening in Europe.

              Demand..Demand..Demand! Once Muslims have more power..all Muslim girls won’t swim. It starts with little steps first..win or lose, then escalates as small wins accrue.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 10, 2018

              Rubbish, rubbish and more rubbish.

              It’s not worth trying to correct such twaddle.

              It amazes me that anyone, even you, can be so stupid that you believe such bilge.

              For one thing, Muslim girls DO swim. What has power to do with that?

              These demands are usually untrue or requests if they have any truth, but demand sounds better and more dramatic to the ignorant and bigoted.

              And for another, Europe is too far away for it to be seen from here with any glasses; I suppose that you meant that to be funny. It is just feeble.

              Try reading something rational and factual that makes sense rather than discredited hate sites aimed at the stupid and bigoted. Try reading facts, not bigoted rants.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 10, 2018

              There is a reason there is no Muslim country that anyone sane would want to live in, Kitty, and it isn’t the climate.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 10, 2018

              That’s the sort of thing that I expect from Corky, except that it’s not full of spelling and grammatical howlers.

              If they are sane and leave, why wouldn’t you want them here? You are contradicting yourself, Next you’ll be quoting the magic % beyond which the Muslim population takes over…the same argument that the Nazis used of Jews, and no more valid now than it was then.

            • PartisanZ

               /  November 10, 2018

              The right to practice the kind of modesty you’d like Kiwi kids to have?

            • Corky

               /  November 10, 2018

              Wow, I didn’t know footage from a Court Case counts as a hate site. But there you go..the strange perceptions of Kitty.

              ”There is a reason there is no Muslim country that anyone sane would want to live in, Kitty, and it isn’t the climate”

              Using Kitties logic the reason would be airfares are too expensive to these Muslim countries.😄

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 11, 2018

              I’m hsppy to have them here if they totally renounce that religion, Kitty. But then they won’t be Muslims.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 11, 2018

              What an insult.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 11, 2018

              Nor do the overwhelming majority of Muslims.

              Judging millions (of many different races) by the minority of extremists is very unintelligent.

              The Germans convinced themselves that Jews were either dominating or wanting to dominate the economy and various other things although they weren’t.

              And we all know what that led to.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 10, 2018

            What ?

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            • PartisanZ

               /  November 10, 2018

              Sorry Miss Kitty, I was replying to post which includes a video of the young woman in Germany who is claiming the religious right not to participate in swimming lessons with boys …

            • PartisanZ

               /  November 10, 2018

              Darn … replying to Corky’s post …

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 11, 2018

              You’d think that we’d know better by now !

            • Corky

               /  November 10, 2018

              Here’s a percentage table. One of many. It’s a simple one so should be easily understandably to all ( let’s hope!).

              https://blog.godreports.com/2015/09/how-islam-takes-over-countries/

            • Corky

               /  November 10, 2018

              * understandable*

            • PartisanZ

               /  November 10, 2018

              Oh My Godreports … Check out the site and the dude who wrote the article …

              “Dr. Peter Hammond is a missionary who has pioneered evangelistic outreaches in the war zones of Mozambique, Angola and Sudan. Peter has travelled hundreds of thousands of miles to deliver Bibles to persecuted Christians in Africa and Eastern Europe … He is the Founder and Director of Frontline Fellowship, the Founder and Chairman of Africa Christian Action, the Director of the Christian Action Network and the Chairman of The Reformation Society and the author of numerous missions-related books. He is the Editor of both Frontline Fellowship News and Christian Action.”

              “Frontline Fellowship” … Question: Hmmm, any relation to KiwiFrontline?

              “Peter was born in Cape Town and brought up in Rhodesia – now Zimbabwe. He converted to Christ in 1977, worked in Scripture Union and Hospital Christian Fellowship, served in the South African Defense Force and studied at Baptist Theological College, Cape Town.”

              Answer: Almost certainly YES! Directly related … hence the militaristic name … “Frontline” … He preached The Christ’s peaceful message carrying an M16 …

              Presumably, the good Doctor advocates, surmonizes, fund-raises and evangelizes for a Christianity that ” … has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component [being] a beard for all of the other components.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 11, 2018

              hmmmm…..any relation to Frontline flea treatment?

            • Corky

               /  November 10, 2018

              You disappoint me, Parti. In your zest to score a point, you didn’t read my post. And you chose to ignore one pertinent sentence. I will repeat my comment for you:

              ”Here’s a percentage table. One of many. It’s a simple one so should be easily understandable to all ( let’s hope!).”

              But let’s stick with what you have posted. So what if he’s a Christian ?
              Does he offend your sensibilities? The questions is: is he right or wrong?
              It’s that simple. Religion has nothing to do with it.

              So, Parti..is he right or wrong? When you’ve answered that we will go onto the next set of tables.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 11, 2018

              Really, Parti, you forgot your place there. 😀

              You deserve to be scolded by He Who Is Always Right.

              For goodness sake don’t answer him or he’ll bombard us with articles and tables to prove his point.

  3. Patzcuaro

     /  November 10, 2018
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  4. Blazer

     /  November 10, 2018

    morning Si…forehesajolly….here..’would you like another Chinaman?’

    …’no thanks…I just put one…out’!

    ‘When I checked the background of this university in Chinese source, I found this university (Luo Yang university) wasn’t even founded until 1980 which means the university didn’t exist in 1978, the year Mr Yang declared he started his university education.”

    https://croakingcassandra.com/2018/11/07/the-prc-and-new-zealand-bits-and-pieces/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 10, 2018

      You are showing your age as well as your racism calling someone a Chinaman. Even among racists, that is a very dated term.

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  5. Patzcuaro

     /  November 10, 2018
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  6. Blazer

     /  November 10, 2018

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 10, 2018

      Dream on, B. Mr T will have them ranting and raving impotently for the next two years. Nothing they put up will get through the Senate and he has topped them in the courts.

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  7. Corky

     /  November 10, 2018

    Oh..if this post is to be believed the two Muslim women voted to power in the US are certified Jew haters. Just shows you need to do your homework. Soon there will be three…five…ten. Then they will suggest..what’s wrong with limited Sharia law ( don’t want to scare the dozing infidels)?

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/11/islam-gains-two-seats-in-the-house/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 10, 2018

      Now I know who’s stupid enough to read and believe whaleoil.

      Islam hasn’t gained those seats, the two women who happen to be Muslim have. It’s like claiming that the Vatican has gained seats if Catholics are voted in. How stupid do you think people are?

      Is there any suggestion that they will want Sharia law ? No ? Thought not. Is there any chance of them getting if they did ? No, not even you could be stupid enough to think that – I hope. Give people credit for a bit of intelligence.

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  8. PartisanZ

     /  November 10, 2018

    No Open Forum Saturday today … so far …?

    “A new report has found New Zealand has one of the least equal education systems in the rich world, with Māori children lagging behind Pākehā.

    Further analysis of the report found Māori students falling significantly behind on every measure of educational outcome including secondary school retention rate, school leavers achieving NCEA Level 2, and rate of youth in education, employment or training.”

    I wonder if that could be because “every measure of educational outcome” is a Pakeha measurement?

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/11/06/308935/our-racist-education-system

    Sure enough: “But those who attend Māori immersion schools do much better at reading, and achieve much higher in NCEA and at university or in employment.

    While there has been a lot of focus on the impacts of coming from a low-socioeconomic community or household … poverty cannot entirely account for the gap between Māori and Pākehā … Experts, including the Children’s Commissioner and Associate Education Minister Tracey Martin, say racism and unconscious bias in the mainstream education system play a part in gaps in achievement.

    Children’s Commissioner Andrew Becroft said the enduring legacy of colonisation – “the c-word” – was behind a lot of the long-term disadvantage.

    The UNICEF Innocenti Report rated New Zealand 33rd out of 38 OECD countries when it came to the gap between the top 10 percent of students and the bottom 10 percent.”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 10, 2018

      But our public education system is wonderful and gives all children equal (bad) access to education unlike evil private or charter schools that must be stopped at all costs to placate the teacher unions.

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    • Corky

       /  November 10, 2018

      ”I wonder if that could be because “every measure of educational outcome” is a Pakeha measurement?”

      No, Parti. The problem is Maori don’t value education. It’s too much effort to do kids home work; stop on a car trip and ask them to explain something you point out; take them to the museum and library. These just aren’t Maori ways ( as a general rule).

      Of course, I can’t help noticing when attending parent./teacher interviews the dearth of Maori parents attending. One look at those Maori parents that do attend and you just know their kids have a good chance of succeeding.

      But, what about Kura Kupapa? The simple fact is it depends on the Kura. A good Kura, good outcomes.

      However, a problem with total immersion is it doesn’t prepare kids for the harsh realities of modern workplaces. It places too much emphasis on things Maori. That’s OK if you are going into tourism or a Maori quango..not so great if you have a job where you can’t hide behind a group and must stand on your own feet..by yourself.

      It is true many teachers expect Maori to fail…and maybe give up on them too soon. But they have eager pakeha kids to teach..why would you waste time on Maoris who tell you to ”fuck off” or we’ll get the Mongrel Mob onto you?

      You need to get out more, Parti. You live in the right part of the country to see all this. Maybe volunteer for a term at school. And take your lumps like teachers do.

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  November 10, 2018

        That’s really funny! You meant “Kura Kaupapa” but your subconscious betrayed you. Kupapa = collaborator, ally, fifth column – a term that came to be applied to Māori who sided with Pākehā opposition or the Government. There has been a shift from a general meaning of neutrality to the modern use, which now sometimes has derogative connotations, similar to such terms as ‘turncoat’, ‘traitor’, ‘quizling’ and ‘Uncle Tom’.
        Corky’s Kura Kupapa sounds about right!

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      • PartisanZ

         /  November 10, 2018

        @Corky – “However, a problem with total immersion is it doesn’t prepare kids for the harsh realities of modern workplaces.”

        Newsroom reports, “But those who attend Māori immersion schools do much better at reading, and achieve much higher in NCEA and at university or in employment.”

        The words “in employment” kind of implies workplaces Corky …

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