May struggling with Brexit

It is being described as a botched deal or a no deal.

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    • The Consultant

       /  November 15, 2018

      As wonderfully funny as that is – and Yes Minister and its sequel are a gold mine of such – I can’t help thinking that we are seeing a classic piece of Sir Humphrey’s tactics in May actions over the last two years.

      Which is to say that, having been a Remainer, she has simply decided to wear down her winning opponents with obfuscation, delay and grinding detail, all in order to “prove” to them that their choice was stupid, futile, and that therefore a second vote is called for, with the Remainers this time leaving nothing to chance in terms of PR money and arm-twisting.

      It seems to me that the complaints about the failure of the “the popular vote” in the USA often come from the same people who are still very upset at the Brexit vote and who have not given up at having it overturned. I think May is one of them.

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  2. David

     /  November 15, 2018

    May would have to be the worlds worst negotiator, she gave the EU everything they wanted 2 years ago then started to try and negotiate when she had set an end time to those negotiations allowing the EU to run down the clock and put pressure on herself.
    She failed to articulate a positive life outside the EU and allowed her finance minister and the civil service to pump out doom laden scenarios of no deal putting herself in an even weaker position.
    The silly woman had 39 billion quid, a trade deficit of 70 billion quid, by far the best anti terror spook infrastructure, the threat of slashing taxes and regulations and being a terrifying competitor on the EUs doorstep as well as propping up most of Europe’s tourism industry and then literally had the Trump card along with most of the rest of the world wanting to do trade deals with her. And from all of that the EU have snookered her from a position of total weakness.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 15, 2018

      And then she appointed a staunch remainer to negotiate Brexit on behalf of Britain.
      I have read a conspiracy theory that says Britain is looking for a hard Brexit and so is doing its best to stretch out the negotiations and ensure no deal is acceptable,.
      It is looking more and more plausible each day – although I still go with incompetence over strategy for the lack of progress.

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      • Missy

         /  November 15, 2018

        I think that conspiracy theory is wishful thinking, there is of course the alternate conspiracy theory that Robbins was put in charge to come out with such a bad deal the leavers would give in and the UK would remain in the EU.

        I am with you, it is incompetence, or rather it is May trying to please everyone which has led to incompetence.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 15, 2018

      Seems like May will replace Chamberlain as the most gormless and disastrous negotiator in British history.

      Why did she take on the job if she couldn’t do it?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 15, 2018

        Mind you, it follows up her running of the most disastrous snap election in British history – so she has form.

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      • Missy

         /  November 16, 2018

        Her ‘deal’ has been compared to Chamberlain returning from Munich.

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  3. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    The cabinet meeting is over (it started at 2pm, it is now about 8pm). May has announced that the Cabinet have backed the deal, though she said that on the Chequers deal and two resigned over that so it will be interesting to see how long the unity lasts.

    There are rumours that the Leavers are looking to hold an imminent vote of no confidence, but it will be interesting to see if that is a bluff.

    Of course the cabinet accepting the deal and parliament passing the deal are two different things. The DUP won’t support it, so even if she can whip the Conservatives she will need support from Labour to get it passed.

    To be honest Pete she has been in trouble with this for a long time, but more so since the Chequers deal was announced.

    The calls for Ollie Robbins to lose his job will be louder now, no-one understands why he was put in charge of the negotiations effectively sidelining the elected Minister who was ostensibly in charge.

    It has been a debacle from start to finish by the UK Government, and May has listened too much to the Remainers and tried to appease everyone without making anyone happy.

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  4. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    For those that are keen you can read the whole document (all 585 pages) here:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

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  5. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    If this journalist’s source is correct it doesn’t sound that good for May.

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    • Pink David

       /  November 15, 2018

      You don’t fire the shit shoveler until all the shit has been shoveled.

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  6. Tipene

     /  November 15, 2018

    Civil war not far off in the UK, whether or not Brexit gets through -you can only push an established citizenry so far before they push back.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2018

      Daftest thing I’ve read here today – as at 8.43 pm.
      And that’s even allowing for the usual fierce competition from Lurchy and robert.

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  7. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    Reports this morning are saying that up to 11 Ministers are against the deal, that is about 1/3 of Cabinet. It has also been suggested that the unhappy Ministers are biding their time with a view to tabling amendments to the deal (which will need to go back to Brussels and most likely will be rejected). If they are refused permission to table the amendments then they will resign the night before the Commins vote. The PM has allegedly refused a free vote for Ministers in the Commons.

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  8. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    Apparently No. 10 have been on resignation watch since last night, they only had 12 hours to wait for the first one.

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    • Missy

       /  November 15, 2018

      Keep in mind this is a junior member of the Cabinet, so probably not too much of an issue for the PM.

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  9. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    The first of the ‘big guns’ has resigned.

    Dominic Raab, Brexit Secretary, has just resigned.

    The reports were that he wasn’t one of the members who was ’emotional or aggressive’ in the meeting, but that he just looked glum, but it was widely believed he was onside with the deal.

    He has said that the deal poses a threat to the integrity of the UK, and he cannot support an indefinite backstop arrangement where the EU holds a veto over the UK’s ability to leave the EU. He has also said that he cannot reconcile the terms of the proposed deal with the promises made in the Conservative manifesto, he said at its heart it is a matter of public trust.

    This is a significant resignation for May.

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  10. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    It is speculated that 48 back bench MPs are planning to get their letters into the 1922 Committee to try and force a confidence vote.

    It will be a miracle if May can survive this.

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  11. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

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  12. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    Nikki Da Costa has resigned. She appointed last year as Downing Street director of legislative affairs – a position created to push the deal through Parliament.

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  13. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    Esther McVey, the Work and Pensions Secretary has just resigned.

    She was widely tipped to resign today. It was reported that the Cabinet Secretary allegedly shouted at her in the meeting yesterday when she was saying her piece, it was also reported that she was aggressive and emotional.

    So far hers appears to be the longest letter.

    Her letter follows the same theme as the others.

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  14. Missy

     /  November 15, 2018

    Two more have resigned.

    Suella Braverman, Minister at Department for Exiting the EU, resigned a couple of minutes ago, and shortly after Anne-Marie Trevelyan, PPS to Education Ministers also resigned.

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    • Missy

       /  November 15, 2018

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