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  1. David

     /  November 15, 2018

    With a 3 litre turbo diesel and 4.2 litre petrol vehicles and 100s of thousands of air miles I feel I have done my small bit for the planet..or at least for the polar bears. Pleasing news all round and happy to contribute.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6388557/Polar-bears-threatening-native-Inuit-populations-warns-controversial-government-report.html

    Is there anything the generously funded eco loons got right.

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  2. David

     /  November 15, 2018

    OMG Winston Peters party is pushing legislation that lets folk self declare their gender and skip having to put Mum or Dad on the birth certificate. This is Trudeau level virtue signalling from NZ First..unreal.
    If you are a woman and a feminist you should be pissed at this, everything you have fought for is about to be disappeared. Next time a politician craps on about the gender pay gap we can just point out gender is just a social construct hence it doesnt exist so just shut up.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108585592/proposed-changes-to-the-way-gender-is-declared-on-birth-certificates-sparks-debate

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 15, 2018

      Pissed off, unless you mean drunk or are American.

      A Canadian person has managed not to to put the baby’s gender on the birth certificate and given him, her or it one of those instantly forgotten nothing names – the kind that look as if someone’s put their hand into the Scrabble bag and used the letters that came up.

      I have heard that some people are raising children not to know if they are boys or girls, which will lead to tears.

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  3. Corky

     /  November 15, 2018

    Robert..re the Buteyko method.

    The PDF posted yesterday was from the Asthma society. They are in a bit of a bind. This
    method does work, but the science is scant.

    So, not being able to dismiss the number of people helped with this method, they have decided to control the narrative on how Buteyko may, or may not, help asthma suffers.

    One part of this strategy is the Asthma Society now runs their own breathing classes. Ring them up and they will steer you towards their breathing programme. However, they won’t hold back information regarding Buteyko.

    It’s interesting to note the science of breathing is taking off with athletes improving their performances using methods similar to Buteyko. I recently took some lumps trying to explain how the Russian special forces use ”burst breathing” to develop inhuman stamina. I think I was called ”a dreamer.” 😃

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    • robertguyton

       /  November 15, 2018

      Thanks, Corky, for the “inside info”. Re the Russians, I once read that their plant scientists had experimented with using boiled water as a super-fertiliser for plants; boil the water vigorously then bottle it, the way you might peaches or plums, then feed plants with the de-oxygenated water later on, to extraordinary results – apparently. I’ve never been able to be sure it was a true idea or not, having not yet tried it, but one day I will.

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  4. High Flying Duck

     /  November 15, 2018

    Very interesting article about the changes the world is experiencing:

    “Most of the bad news we are getting can be seen as a sign of progress to a new Golden Age.

    For you can’t get a Golden Age without breaking up the previous age, whether it’s of tin or lead or something worse.

    And a lot of the good news doesn’t get on CNN or Fox, but shows up elsewhere.

    First, for example, put the news and social media about political tumult in context. For instance, prior to the real Civil War, a real depression brought widespread suffering, even starvation. Politically, members of Congress were brawling in the Capitol and not just figuratively: punches were thrown, and one senator was beaten nearly to death. Southern congressmen, at least, carried pistols and Bowie knives. (Jill LePore’s “These Truths” is one of the books that covers this.) Murders and brutalizations of slaves were daily occurances. John Brown tried to incite revolt. In 1860, Lincoln was kept off the ballot in many Southern states.

    In my recent times, I myself can remember when American cities were burning and our biggest political leaders were being assassinated, and bombings were commonplace. The economy was in the tank and the experts were saying it was all downhill from there.

    Now: people insult each other on Twitter. Members of Congress are snide with each other. Some Democrats may well be trying to steal elections. Yawn.

    The economy is booming. Poor people always have it tough, but rather than starvation, they get too much junk food. White people widely admire black people, including a former president, many entertainers, and most sports stars.

    Even the bad news is good news. Yes, there is animosity in the political class. That will happen when things change.

    History is not a prison. But it’s useful.”

    “The globe once had power divvied up very nicely. An elite ran things. There were occasional changes of office. But every well-run organization knows that bringing in new managers helps keep things going. In the U.S.: Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama. Flip the channels from NBC to CBS to ABC. Buy a Ford one year and a Chevy the next.

    As many have noted, that structure is breaking apart. Which means the establishment is threatened. The establishment is reacting.

    Meanwhile, when the old structures dissolve, human beings are being freed up to act on their impulses — good and bad.

    You can’t have a new age without getting rid of the old one.

    For an analogy — not to persuade, but just to make my point clearer — you often can’t get rid of an illness without running a fever, or having a runny nose or cough, or vomiting.

    So the Twitter insults and comedians’ tasteless jokes and political uproar are very possibly signs a new age is being born. Look around. Old standards and ideas are dying. People are doing things they’d never thought of doing before. Bad things are being vomited up.

    Yet that gives us a chance to do better than we’ve ever done before.

    Take a Pete Davidson’s tasteless joke, his apology, and Dan Crenshaw’s graceful and touching acceptance of the apology. ( https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/11/arts/television/snl-pete-davidson-dan-crenshaw.html )

    How can this be a sign of a Golden Age?

    One, with old strictures falling, people are going to think things they hadn’t thought before. Then say them.

    But we have a chance to understand people better. As apparently Crenshaw did.

    A sign of the new Golden Age will be understanding psychological realities.

    We are beginning to understand who we are. We are advancing from the age that assumed we were were completely rational, and are realizing we are often non-rational.

    Which includes understanding that very little in our minds is rational, and what there is is often dominated by non-rational feelings, images, emotions, primal defence mechanisms, and outside pressures.

    Our minds are random generators of anxieties, feelings, images and fears. Our thoughts are not us. (From Dr. Hanscom.) Many of things we label thoughts are not even thoughts, in the sense of being coherent entities that reflect the real world. They are flickerings of neurons, they are the reruns of survival mechanisms that kept our race alive in the jungle.

    So random things flit across our minds. In the past we probably repressed most of them. Whether that is good or bad is beside the point now. In our modern world we have been coaxed into paying a lot of attention to what happens in our minds. Then letting it out.”

    https://tynenblog.blogspot.com/2018/11/golden-age-bad-news-and-other-signs-of.html

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    • PartisanZ

       /  November 15, 2018

      That most excellent comment has earned you one downtick HFD … which perhaps proves the correctness of much of what you say and cite?

      I’m not so sure about “reruns of survival mechanisms that kept our race alive in the jungle”, which relies heavily on social acceptance of Darwin’s rather biological theory of evolution …

      Whose to say that each new generation doesn’t have a really big significant component of original “neuron flicker”, thought, feeling and impulse?

      Or can’t be acculturated so as not to lend undue influence to “jungle survival mechanisms”?

      A ‘New Golden Age’ will surely look to raise as much of the human population as possible above “simple survival” – Maslow’s level 1 & 2 – and instead facilitate belongingness, esteem and self-actualization ‘needs’ …?

      For this to happen I believe the ‘cult of selfishness’ also known as neoliberalism must crumble somewhat and be transformed into something better …

      Hopefully that is what’s happening …

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2018

    The Alt Right,neo nazis lead such shallow lives….small white men in darkened rooms, pathetic keyboard warriors
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeffrey-clark-dc-neo-nazi-arrested_us_5beb99ffe4b0caeec2bf24e5

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2018

    Always look on the bright side of life, long weekend away up at Clive, love those paying for my pension
    I see someone appears to be grizzling about Christmas this morning.
    Makes a change from all the usual gripes about RNZ, Jews from you know who, Little, Adern & Neve, Galloway etc

    Is there anybody happy out there?
    Im happy,weekend of dog agility

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2018

      Is there anybody happy out there?

      Yeah, I basically am. I’m a happy hermit (sort of). Sometime robert gets up my nose but in the overall scheme of my being happy that doesn’t even register on the radar.

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  7. footage of the recent conference in Wlgtn: organisers etc.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2018

    Im sure its Jacinda Arderns fault….waiting for a post from Mike Hosking on a nearby rightwing blog
    https://t.co/qT1h4nycgy

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 15, 2018

    18 year old history students don’t know what trivial means. No doubt they are well qualified and stupid enough to vote for Labour or the Greens though:
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/108620095/students-launch-petition-after-being-flummoxed-by-word-trivial-in-nzqa-exam

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 15, 2018

      The article said that 4 of them had contacted the authorities…Stuff seems to be making a big deal out of not much.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2018

    Ohh no the scandal, Our PM didn’t sit exactly right next to VP, Pence, resign resign its the only thing she should do and expect a post from HDPA tomorrow on a nearby right wing blog

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 15, 2018

      It was very odd; dinner parties usually go man/woman/man/woman…..I have never seen it done like this. Mrs P looked awkward and Mr P was ignoring JA who was doing most of the talking. It all seemed very awkward & I would say that it was deliberate.

      I don’t know why the 3 reporter was talking about a ‘fulsome’ conversation; I hope that it wasn’t.

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 15, 2018

        “…dinner parties usually go rhubarb/rhubarb/rhubarb…”

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 15, 2018

          You must go to some dull do’s if the menu is rhubarb, rhubarb and rhubarb.

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          • robertguyton

             /  November 15, 2018

            I judge the Best of Show for the New Zealand Rhubarb Growers Federation annual show and have no complaints about the excellent after-show dinner they put on, Kitty. Nothing dull about it. You owe those good folk an apology.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 16, 2018

              I love rhubarb and eat it raw and unsweetened…someone I knew had to leave the room when I did that. I prefer it as is, no sugar….delicious !

              But I wouldn;t want a plate of rhubarb for each course.

    • Corky

       /  November 15, 2018

      A liberal snowflake next to a hard right Conservative. Remember, Pence isn’t allowed to talk to another woman if the news item I read was correct. I would say the food is better than at a dog event, Lurchy.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 15, 2018

        Don’t be more ridiculous than you can help being. He can hardly avoid talking to women, we are half the human race.

        He is never alone with a woman,even in a restaurant, a wise precaution when the dirty-minded assume that even the most innocent meeting between members of the opposite sex means that they must be having an affair.

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        • robertguyton

           /  November 15, 2018

          “…women, we are half the human race.”
          That can’t be true!
          What about girls? They aren’t women, are they?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 15, 2018

            What the hell are they then? Neuter?

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            • robertguyton

               /  November 15, 2018

              Girls?
              Perhaps you’re thinking of the more appropriate word to describe females…female. “Women” is a subset thereof.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 16, 2018

              Don’t nitpick.

      • Corky

         /  November 15, 2018

        Operation troll complete for the night. Some people can’t help themselves.

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  11. Corky

     /  November 15, 2018

    Vicious Muslim terrorists wanted to butcher innocent Aussie Infidels. They are found guilty. Makes for chilling reading. They laughed in court. The annoying thing is they will be protected in jail by the strong Muslim brotherhood. Nothing like diversity.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-14/guilty-verdicts-in-melbourne-christmas-terror-plot/10423772

    Talking of diversity, the Auckland Council doesn’t want to fund the annual Xmas parade. Yet they fund many other imported annual cultural events.

    No one should be surprised.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  November 15, 2018

      Santa and the commodification of Christmas is wearing thin huh?

      The search for meaning …

      Just look at the size and scale of the Hollywood ‘Christmas Movie’ industry required to emotionally, psychologically, culturally and financially justify it all?

      Hell, Hollywood’s big enough to dictate economic policy to small countries!!!

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      • Corky

         /  November 15, 2018

        ”Santa and the commodification of Christmas is wearing thin huh?”

        I don’t mind it wearing thin….but when you fund an Indian festival before our Christian flavoured traditions, you bet I have a problem.

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