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17 November 2018

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  1. Gezza

     /  November 17, 2018

    Took ma for a short post-op walk the day before yesterday and came across this in someone’s house entrance. I want one !

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  2. David

     /  November 17, 2018

    Oops a climate scientist/disciple let their preconceived and inherent biases affect a report, once again alarming coverage around the world and almost no coverage of the fact the research is useless. It was peer reviewed, published in Nature and came from the once prestigious Scripps Ocean people.

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/scientists-admit-errors-in-study-showing-oceans-are-warming/

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  3. Corky

     /  November 17, 2018

    Australia has endured a number of terrorist attacks. That’s not taking into consideration foiled attempts. So, it seems obvious to me what needs to be done.

    Melbourne airport has taken the bull by the horns and introduced an Islamic Prayer Room. In this clip, to be fair, the room also has a bible and other non-Islamic religious material.

    My questions are these. What fucking moron(s) OK’d this? How many times has the bible been replaced after mysteriously disappearing? And, is the bible an excuse to say the room is multi denominational should someone call these idiots out over their stupidity?

    These fools should be sent on a one way trip to Dubai. Once they land, ask the nice immigration officer for directions to their Christian Chapel Room. They wouldn’t be coming back. That would be a good thing.

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    • David

       /  November 17, 2018

      I was in the star alliance lounge at LAX and went to put my bag in the storage room and there were 3 people nose to the ground, butts in the air mumbling something or other and to be honest I would have preferred them to have their own room out of sight.
      There is something, I dont know what , about Islamic adherence and planes that causes me momentary discomfort and nervousness.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 17, 2018

        That’s nothing, I went into the chapel at Welly Hospital because they have a stunningly nice sounding piano there – and there were 3 foreign hospital staff from somewhere in Asia who were at it for about 15 bloody minutes – calling on bloody Jesus to given them patience and wisdom and to enable them to heal the sick with their hands thanks to the power he promises them in the bloody Bible to do it. Fark, I thought, you obviously do this every freakin day; how may fkrs have you actually brought back from the bloody brink just by laying on your bloody hands. Bloody none, I bet. The buggers wouldn’t go so I played Let It Be & although it sounded really freakin great & though I bet Jesus & Mother Mary dug it like nobody’s these bastards just glared at me.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 17, 2018

          Mentally read “nobody’s ” as “nobody’s business”. Thanks.
          (I should sack my bloody proof-reader; he’s feckin useless !)

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      • Corky

         /  November 17, 2018

        I can understand your angst, David. If I had my way, it wouldn’t be permissible for Muslims to pray in airports and government buildings. They would need to wait until they had cleared such premises. That would be a condition of entry into our country.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 17, 2018

          Ok with me if you ban the Christians and any other religious nuts from doing it in public places too. Even better if you could get someone to ban them doing it in churches.

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    • Griff.

       /  November 17, 2018

      Allah yahweh god or whatever you want to call it.
      Same imaginary friend based on the same source .
      Most Kiwis dont believe in bronze age goat herders invisible sky fairy.

      If there is a place for one branch of mass god whacking delusions it is only fair we allow a space for others who have a different godwhacking delusion.

      I would rather we did not enable any person who thinks they talk to imaginary friends.

      From an atheist view there is no great difference between the Abrahamic religions besides society removed the Christian churches ability to act out the desire to subject the rest of us to their deluded ideas of “gods word”.

      Your point is?

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      • Corky

         /  November 17, 2018

        My point is Christianity is our native religion. It has a right to be. Just like fundamentalist materialists such as yourself have a right to be. To my knowledge they cause few problems for society apart from the odd spat, and a little historic child abuse that’s being dealt with retrospectively.

        Not so with Islam,for a variety of reasons well debated on this blog.

        But here’s a thought, Griff. Imagine so called spirituality is like rugby. From ripper rugby through to the All Blacks..each stage is a learning curve. The masses play and attend the lower grades. These lower grades instill basic knowledge and a sense of purpose. Comparable to rote learning. Others who have graduated from these simple grades see the
        inherent folly, hypocrisy and foolishness that accompanies such learning.

        Those who graduate to the All Black stage then branch out into two streams.. the material scientist, and occultist/metaphysician . Both deal with different aspects of the universe, but the former scorns the latter as deluded. Just a fancier version of the lower grades.

        The question is..what comes next?

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        • Griff.

           /  November 17, 2018

          What comes next ?
          Depends.
          Under law we are constrained on how we dispose of the dead.
          Three options that I know off .
          Buried, burnt or tossed off a boat a suitable distance from land. .
          Buried at sea is expensive requiring a special box and a chopper or boat to delver your remains the required distance from land. I can think of better uses for my estate.
          That leaves either feed worms or crispy critter.
          As I feed worms most days when I take a dump I will probably specify burnt to a pile of ash used to feed the paddocks.
          That’s it son…… there is no after life……

          Your delusion of superior knowledge ?
          That’s just trash talk to make you feel better about being such a gullible backward primitive ape.

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          • Corky

             /  November 17, 2018

            ”That’s it son…… there is no after life……”

            We’ll..any astral traveller will tell you that’s bs. That’s why I find it hard to understand Gezza’s atheism given he’s an astral traveller.

            ”Your delusion of superior knowledge ?”

            Noone has superior knowledge in the sense you mean. You never see a adult say to a 7 year old.. ”hey, kid..what’s the equation for working out the area of a triangle?” That knowledge is open to all mankind, its just at the present moment the adult has grown into that knowledge; knows it, but the 7 years old doesn’t.

            ”That’s just trash talk to make you feel better about being such a gullible backward primitive ape.”

            Trash talk? No. That’s the ignorant perceptions of an onlooking toddler who thinks he knows it all because he’s discovered if he pulls his pants down and pisses on the living room carpet, he won’t get his pants wet.

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            • Gezza

               /  November 17, 2018

              I find it hard to understand Gezza’s atheism given he’s an astral traveller.

              It’s not all that difficult to understand. I am an atheist in respect of the Abrahamic, and all the other mythical, Gods that I know anything of, Corks. However, this chap explains where I go from there, & probably far better than I.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 17, 2018

            It’s news to me that Christianity is NZ’s native religion. It would be news to most people.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  November 17, 2018

              Stupid and almost certainly purposeful choice of word there by Corky Miss Kitty … “native” …

              I’d agree if he said Christianity is far-and-away NZ’s most influential introduced or ‘exotic’ religion though …

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 17, 2018

              Who knows what he means ? :-/

            • Corky

               /  November 17, 2018

              Of course, Parti, your forget all Maori religions are Christian based, even some of the creepy Ringatu religion.

              The only true Maori religion was “tohungaism.” However, that wasn’t a belief system available to the general populace, mainly because it was a practical art, as well as faith based.

              My great grandfather was both a Tohunga, and an ordained priest. He didn’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

              Google..the expert on everything says

              ”Traditional Māori religion, that is, the pre-European belief system of the Māori, was little modified from that of their tropical Eastern Polynesian homeland (Hawaiki Nui), conceiving of everything, including natural elements and all living things as connected by common descent through whakapapa or genealogy.”

              Depends on what is accepted as religion, and what is accepted personal belief.

            • PartisanZ

               /  November 17, 2018

              You’ve just cohesively and persuasively argued that pre-European Maori religion, although definitely NOT Christian, is equally as ‘religious’ as Christianity …

              I agree.

      • PartisanZ

         /  November 17, 2018

        To imagine a world entirely without religion I find somehow counter-intuitive. Like Arnold Toynbee and Frank E Warner I believe we are engaged in spiritual evolution … albeit muchly on a material plane … “Man is the denizen of two worlds; the world of phenomena and the world “in itself”” …

        “To spiritualise entirely this one and only God, and to raise Him above every possibility of representation by image, is the very utmost that the religious spirit has hitherto accomplished. At this level, attained by Judaism three thousand years ago, the religious development of Mankind has been arrested.

        The religion of the future will go farther. Reverence and humility do not merely require renunciation of the image, which has sought to bring divinity nearer to us by drawing it down to Man’s level. So long as we endeavour to approach the divine with our too human thought, or even with the words of our poor human speech, we are presumptuously applying our understanding [comprehension] to the incomprehensible, and attempting to measure the immeasurable … seeking to achieve vicinity, in thought and imagination, to what we are unable to picture otherwise than as being in some way human after all …

        … we shall be wanting in reverence unless we go further than present-day religions. Some of these have renounced the image. The religion of the future will also renounce the word … A still bolder act must now be performed, by allotting that which surpasses our understanding and transcends our reason to its rightful place, in the realms which are closed to the human mind and human speech, the world “in itself”, which speaks to us in a thousand incomprehensible wonders, which we feel but which we shall never understand.

        The religion of the future will be reverential and humble meditation without images and without language, on the wonder of existence … purer and more sublime than anything which the religions of the images and the words, of dogmas and rites, have given to man.

        The religion of the future will require no intermediaries between us and that which baffles our thought, that for which we have no name … It will be the final summing up of all knowledge, the most sublime emotion of which man, in the fullness of his knowledge, is capable. This is the way in which the cleavage between the world of phenomena and the world “in itself” will be overcome … Man in the fullness of his knowledge will find the road to unity with the universe.”

        – Frank E Warner (Ernst Frankenstein) ‘Future of Man’ (London 1944)

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 17, 2018

          The worst incident of the three in Melbourne was a Greek Orthodox man who killed a number of people when he drove a car into a crowd.

          The man in the video at the airport was distressed at someone putting that book there, not pleased about it.

          There are other prayer rooms in the airport, open 24/7..

          Always check Corky’s statements.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 17, 2018

            There is a great difference between pantheism and Christianity. Nobody with any sense would think that they are the same thing.

            Christianity didn’t come to NZ until Pakehas did.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 17, 2018

              When did Tohungaism become a religion?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 17, 2018

              And which denomination has priests who are also tohungas???

            • PartisanZ

               /  November 17, 2018

              Holy Hell Miss Kitty!!!

              You mean: Which denomination of Christianity is Tohungaism, don’t you?

              Or perhaps: Which denomination of Tohungaism is Christianity!???

              There’s a great difference between Catholicism and Church of Christ, Scientist too …

        • Gezza

           /  November 17, 2018

          I like Ozzy Osbourne’s take on this:

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  4. Corky

     /  November 17, 2018

    Here we go. Manna from heaven for social media.Them whitey’s are at it again.

    Damn racists.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/racist-santa-parade-float-has-stuns-small-taranaki-town/

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    • Corky

       /  November 17, 2018

      “Many people looked on in stunned silence, and the parade organisers need to be held accountable”

      Stunned silence? Was that because they were offended..or because they couldn’t believe someone had the guts to do that…. or maybe dumb enough to do that?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 17, 2018

        Probably because it was so stupid and totally irrelevant to a Santa Parade.

        Saying ‘them whiteys’ is also racist, as if black people really spoke like that.

        Stunned silence is a tired old journalistic cliche that means very little. These people are idiots whose idea of what should be in a Santa Parade is incredibly stupid. Apart from the fact that their blackface is just that, a coating of black on their faces, they look fools anyway. This is 2018 NZ, not 1960s UK ( It’s The Black and White Minstrel Show !!) or the US where this was considered amusing. it relates to nothing here, so is pointlessly insulting to black people. They are an embarrassment, and I would have expected better from the Lions.

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    • Corky

       /  November 17, 2018

      The Lions Club is now backtracking. Kowtowing, apologising. Thanking those who have pointed out their mistake… Instead of telling these nutters, like the one above this comment, to ”piss off.”

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      • Gezza

         /  November 17, 2018

        I reckon the one above this comment is the one who needs to be told to “piss off” Corks !

        That whole show is now so universally reviled by coloured folk for any honky fuckwits to think dressing up like and dressing their kids up like and going happily sailing down the main street of a Taranaki town like Hawera isn’t going to cause a shower of shit to descend on suggests there’s been way too much in-breeding going on with some pakeha families in that feckin community. :roll:.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 17, 2018

          Whoops 🙄
          Yes, that’s better. 😎

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 17, 2018

            It’s reviled by most people, I think, black or white. It’s stupid, dated and insulting and the Lions are idiots to put this in a Santa parade (or anywhere else)

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      • Corky

         /  November 17, 2018

        Just seen the SJW who took to Facebook over the Lion Club float. She has pale skin, but has a moko to prove she is wahine toa.

        A loser in my book who probably wasn’t interested in the Lions Club explanation of what the float meant. And my bet is she hasn’t done anything like the amount of work a Lions Club member does for the community.

        These moko wearing wahine are a dime a dozen nowdays. They always seem to get into clapped out Jap imports..which tells you something.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 17, 2018

          It tells me nothing except that you have failed to notice that there are very few clapped out cars these days, they wouldn’t be able to get a WOF.

          Or that you follow women in the street, which is creepy…and haven’t realised that dimes are US currency, not NZ, so that cliche is meaningless here.

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  November 17, 2018

            Gotta say, Miss, You are VERY GOOD …
            in fact you can have an Excellent for that.

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            • Corky

               /  November 18, 2018

              Chur, my cuz… 99 Toyota?

              VERY GOOD!!? Let’s deconstruct her post. I don’t usually waste my time, but just for you.

              ”It tells me nothing except that you have failed to notice that there are very few clapped out cars these days, they wouldn’t be able to get a WOF.”

              Apart from from being blind, she forgets few with clapped out vehicles worry about WOF. When there are checkpoint stats given in the media it usually gives drunk driver arrests. Outstanding warrant arrests..and WOF violations.

              ”Or that you follow women in the street, which is creepy…”

              Oh, yeah.. I follow women around to see what cars they get into.
              Here’s a hint…come out of a supermarket..what do you see..an apple orchard..or people entering into cars and driving away?🙄

              Let’s not forget exiting vehicles just in case someone gets picky.

              ”And haven’t realised that dimes are US currency, not NZ, so that cliche is meaningless here.”

              So idiotic, no explanation needed.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 18, 2018

            Clapped out cars minus WOFs don’t go unnoticed by the police; you have just admitted it. I see very few of these cars now. And if I do see one, I don’t gawp to see who’s driving it.

            As supermarkets have large car parks, the chances of seeing which car someone drives away in without following them to see are slight. You admit that you do this (waits for sniggering denial on the grounds that this was sarcasm)

            I agree that your use of the old ‘dime a dozen’ cliche was idiocy; no, there is no need to explain it, we all know what it means.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 18, 2018

              Your absurd question about what you see when you come out of a supermarket was a question, not a hint. I know what I see, a car park, but have no idea what you do.

  5. duperez

     /  November 17, 2018

    “If… my friends who are academic are going to get outraged by what’s happened here and are going to write screeds and screeds of letters and submissions and complaints etcetera, etcetera, you know sometimes it’s easier in my view to just to stop the trail and give them a good f**king hiding. Put an end to it right there and then.”

    Hone Harawira upset by the attitudes of some Hawera people puts his own on show.

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  6. Kitty Catkin

     /  November 17, 2018

    Corks must spend the whole day trawling the internet for things that he can put on here. Why he doesn’t make his own blog and spare the rest of us, I don’t know. He and Robert dominate it to such an extent that one must wonder if they think that they are running it.

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  7. Corky

     /  November 17, 2018

    Someones having a meltdown. Maybe they should find somewhere else to go. Someplace their sensibilities will be nourished with birdsong, mowers and Latin wit.😄

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    • robertguyton

       /  November 17, 2018

      Great comment, Corky – one of the best!

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      • Corky

         /  November 17, 2018

        If she spent as much time posting as she does whining she may add value to this blog. There’s a trillion things she could comment on apart from me.

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        • robertguyton

           /  November 17, 2018

          But you Corky, are fascinating!

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          • Corky

             /  November 17, 2018

            You sell yourself short..apparently you are too.!

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 17, 2018

            As usual, Corky is flattering himself that responding to his idiocy means that the person responding is fascinated by him personally, rather than wanting to correct his inaccuracies.This is hardly ‘having a meltdown’ in anyone’s eyes but his.

            And he doesn’t know the difference between ‘may’ and ‘might.’

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 17, 2018

              He doesn’t realise that other people read newspapers and watch the news, so that we don’t need to have YNZ dominated by stories and links that are stale news. Boring spacefillers.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 17, 2018

              Corky “doesn’t realise that other people read newspapers and watch the news”???
              He’s seriously disconnected from reality then, if what you say is true, Kitty!
              Corks??

            • Corky

               /  November 17, 2018

              Watching a movie. Carry on.. Kitty likes the tall types.😄

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 18, 2018

              He appears not to, Robert, he posts old videos and stories of things that we have all seen on the news or read in the paper. If he knows that these are stale news to everyone else, why bother to put them on?

  8. Corky

     /  November 17, 2018

    Still the meltdown continues.

    Meanwhile, Bunnings have their own meltdown. I wonder if they have mokos? They do sell mowers and birdbaths.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/world/australian-man-who-slipped-on-onion-responsible-for-new-bunnings-rules/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 18, 2018

      Old story, covered by the television news and in the paper.

      One would expect a hardware shop to sell mowers.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 18, 2018

        Is Bunnings one of the places that you go into wearing a dress and trying to get a discount ? Or claiming that you have just been released in the hope that they will lower the price?

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