Trump says Saudi money more important than assassination

Donald Trump is copping flak again. This is justified, again.

White House: Statement from President Donald J. Trump on Standing with Saudi Arabia

Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that – this is an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!

That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi. In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in our very important fight against Iran. The United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region. It is our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!

I understand there are members of Congress who, for political or other reasons, would like to go in a different direction – and they are free to do so. I will consider whatever ideas are presented to me, but only if they are consistent with the absolute security and safety of America.

After the United States, Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producing nation in the world. They have worked closely with us and have been very responsive to my requests to keeping oil prices at reasonable levels – so important for the world. As President of the United States I intend to ensure that, in a very dangerous world, America is pursuing its national interests and vigorously contesting countries that wish to do us harm. Very simply it is called America First!

Vox: There’s nothing “America First” about Trump’s Saudi policy

A Washington Post story says Trump “puts economics above human rights,” and Stephen Collins at CNN accuses Trump of arguing that “principles that generations of Americans have cherished are for sale.”

Further exacerbating the egregiousness of the crime, the Saudis murdered Khashoggi on Turkish soil. The current regime in Turkey is, itself, not great, but the fact remains that Turkey is a NATO ally that the United States is treaty-bound to defend. Assassinating someone in the Saudi Embassy in Istanbul is not exactly the same as making war on Turkey. But just as we want foreign governments to not do anything remotely resembling murdering American citizens, we also should want them to steer very clear of anything remotely resembling invading our NATO allies.

But what’s unique about Trump is the extent to which he is able to personally profit from the Saudi government while in office. This August, for example, the general manager of the Trump International Hotel in Manhattan was pleased to announce that after two straight years of decline, revenue grew 13 percent in the first quarter of 2018.

Why? Well, according to a letter he wrote that was obtained by the Post, “a last-minute visit to New York by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia” played a key role.

Bottom line: The United States is the mightiest empire the world has ever known. Signing a treaty with us or being accepted as a legal permanent resident of our country ought to count for something in the world. Trump’s message is that it doesn’t — that foreigners can screw around with our people and our allies as much as they like as long as Trump doesn’t mind personally.

Fox News: Trump faces bipartisan backlash for Saudi statement

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle balk at President Trump’s decision to stand with Saudi Arabia after the murder of Saudi columnist Jamal Khashogg

Fox News: Trump thanks Saudi Arabia for lower oil prices

President Trump says he won’t destroy the world economy by being ‘foolish’ with Saudi Arabia over columnist Jamal Khashoggi’s murder.

Fox News: Trump thanks Saudi Arabia for lower oil prices, but says ‘let’s go lower!’

The sharp drop in prices is being put down to increased production by the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Russia. Trump had tweeted earlier in November his hope that Saudi Arabia would not cut its oil production.

One reason was fears of a price spike due to sanctions on Iran. But when Trump imposed them Nov. 5, he added a six-month waiver for several countries that are major consumers of Iranian oil. Instead of spiking, prices have slumped. Concerns about slowing global growth have also weighed on prices.

Trump’s public thanking of the Kingdom comes after he gave partial backing to the country over the controversy surrounding the killing of Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist, inside the Saudi Consulate in Turkey in October.

Oil rules. Money rules. trump puts short term business interests ahead of human rights and law.

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 22, 2018

    A complex web of factors and I doubt we know them all. We can only watch as it plays out in Congress and other countries. An oil embago on Saudi Arabia would obviously be a huge disruption and concern.

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    • An oil embargo on Iran could also be a huge disruption.

      Trump seems to be caught in a bind here – he needs to not annoy the Saudis to try to avoid his moves against Iran backfiring.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 22, 2018

        I think he is in multiple binds and probably not happy about it.

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        • Every US president gets into multiple binds and ends up having to juggle a variety of interests. And hope things don’t turn to custard too much.

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        • duperez

           /  November 22, 2018

          We’re not paid the big bucks to be in the multiple complex binds.

          Imagine if the present bind had been a murder the same way as Amal Khashoggi but the victim being an American diplomat.

          Or a Trump Jnr.

          Fingers and toes and arms and legs and torso and head buried here or there, or where, and the Presidential: “Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!”

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    • Gezza

       /  November 22, 2018

      Doesn’t need an oil embargo. Trump just needs to stop selling the pricks arms and giving them moral support. The man is doing the world a good turn. He is showing himself up for what he is. An appalling hypocrite & liar of the first order – and in the process reminding the world that the US has always spoken out of both sides of its mouth when it comes to respect for human rights.

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  2. Corky

     /  November 22, 2018

    How refreshing to have an honest president..one who sticks by his mantra of ”America First.”

    The red herring of Trumpy profiting from this situation is a side issue. The fact is, if America wants to be hypocrites and cut ties with SA because of some bs that it’s not the ‘American way,’ then they need to be prepared to have other countries take up the slack regarding arms sales and possible new alliances in international relations. That is unacceptable for America and the West. Thank God Obama isn’t the president.

    America always has the option of doing ‘wet work’ at a later date, and stage that so it looks like action instigated by Turkey. A great ace to have given Turkey is slowly disengaging from its Western alliance.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 22, 2018

      Trump was on Aljaz whining that the Saudis would buy from China or Russia. So what? They can still flog their stuff off to Europeans and African dictators and suchlike.

      The Saudis would get a better deal off the other two anyway, and there’s less to go wrong with their relatively unsophisticated equipment. The Saudis are bombing the shit out of innocents and don’t give a damn even with their more sophisticated stuff. The yanks’ stuff is hideously complex and expensive & no doubt vulnerable to electronic countermeasures that the Chinese will be stealing and working on anyway.

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  3. Griff.

     /  November 22, 2018

    Trump says Saudi moneyoil more important than assassination.

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  4. David

     /  November 22, 2018

    The only difference with Trump is he says it out loud, the world has been in the Saudis corner for 50 years.
    What other country has sanctioned them or been under scrutiny to act ?

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    • Gezza

       /  November 22, 2018

      What other country has sent a team to another country to murder one of their residents in an Embassy there? The problem with Trump is that he’s telling the world you can order the murder of people in your embassies overseas and still be his friend. Because he’s a dick.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 22, 2018

        Anyway, from commentary on Aljaz’s Washington reporter (Kimberly Halkett)

        it seems likely Congress will order the release of the CIA assessment & make Trump look like a shitbag.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 22, 2018

          Although, tbh, I don’t think he needs Congress’s assistance in that respect.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 22, 2018

          Trump already said he is prepared to consider what Congress puts forward. In any case he has pretty much said MBS is guilty but it isn’t in the US interest to punish him. He won’t be further phased by releasing the CIA assessment.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 22, 2018

            Trump has no bloody choice but to consider what Congress puts forward. That’s why Congress has these powers – to do something about a bad president.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 22, 2018

              Still suffering? So are we.

            • Gezza

               /  November 22, 2018

              I know. But he’ll probably get a second term.

            • Gezza

               /  November 22, 2018

              Well, nah. I might be being unduly pessimistic there. It all depends who the Dems get to run against him. He’s such a divisive president & such a national embarrassment so often as long as they put someone halfway decent and there’s a high turnout he might be a one-termer.

            • Gezza

               /  November 22, 2018

              *put someone halfway decent

            • Gezza

               /  November 22, 2018

              Unbelieveable. Must be the nurofen.

              ** put UP someone halfway decent.

  5. The Consultant

     /  November 22, 2018

    Money rules. Trump puts short term business interests ahead of human rights and law.

    Adern on China:

    But she is not willing to engage seriously on the activities, including those in our own country and own political system, of a great (if evil) power.

    It was a consistent attempt at minimising any issues, relativising everything, and never ever calling out China on anything. It was actually pretty fundamentally dishonest to the New Zealand public, in attempting to imply that all that is really going on is a trade dispute.

    NZ Missing from list

    Australia, Canada, and the European Union as a whole, but not New Zealand, are part of an approach to Beijing over the abuses in Xinjiang.

    Life – even foreign policy – really has to be more than the sums of the deals, or the sum of the donations.

    The Government’s stance is these areas – much the same as the Opposition’s – shames us.

    Some Reading for Todd McClay

    Perhaps the million of so spies forced into Uighur households should, in Mr McClay’s reading, best be described as intensive case management of needy families?

    I’d come to take for granted that our members of Parliament – all sides – pretty much knew the evil the regime was up to at home and abroad, but preferred to look the other way, keep quiet, and get along…

    Is it “whataboutism” to point out that NZ’s stance on China has been shameful and exactly like Trump’s on Saudi Arabia? Or is whataboutism to point at Trump and be all outrageously outraged as good, smug little New Zealanders, while this shit is going on in our backyard.

    Money rules. [insert name of leader] puts short term business interests ahead of human rights and law.

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  6. Gezza

     /  November 22, 2018

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 22, 2018

      They would say that wouldn’t they?

      Obviously the US want the Saudis as a counter to Iran and Trump led with the case for that.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 22, 2018

        The Trump wants the Saudi regime as a counter to the Iranian regime? And you think they’re an improvement? Pull your head out Al, and smell the covfefe.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 22, 2018

          You really had to watch King Salman yesterday morning giving his uplifting speech from the throne to the shoura and speaking of how much his government intends to do to continue pursuing women’s rights and how much they can rely on the Saudi Justice system & his son, the Crown Prince. Madness, Al. It’s a fucking bizarre joke, is Saudiworld. “Fine man’ says Trump. Only a bullshitting reality tv dipshit like Trump would believe this crap.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 22, 2018

          I didn’t offer any opinion on the comparison, Sir Gerald. So I’ll thank you to show more respect for your betters.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 22, 2018

            I will, whenever they show up, Sir Alan.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  November 22, 2018

            In point of fact you fail to note that I have repeatedly described the Saudi regime as lying, murderous scum rather than as an improvement on anything, even Iran’s version of murderous religious freaks.

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            • Gezza

               /  November 22, 2018

              Don’t be absurd. We are discussing why Trump isn’t saying the same thing, when he says it about the Iranians, & how embarrassing it is to see you once again defending Trump because that’s what you do come hell or high water due to your selective morality & partisanship when it comes to Trump.

              Anyway, I’m off down to ma’s to do her lunch & anything she’s not able to do yet. You’ll have to carry on embarrassing yourself without my assistance for a couple of hours.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 22, 2018

              Blather, Sir Gerald. Wrap your wounded jaw around a sandwich and stop pretending to think while incapable.

      • The Consultant

         /  November 22, 2018

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  7. Zedd

     /  November 22, 2018

    I see that this has sidelined the news that Ms T [Deleted but may have been a typo] has been using a ‘private email server for work’ & MrT is not calling for her to be jailed too (as he did LOUDLY for hillary)

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 22, 2018

      No, Hillary had a private email server. Ivanka had a private email account which she used prior to becoming a Govt unpaid appointment and then apparently continued to use communicating with her support staff about her appointments. No doubt we will hear if the Democrats manage to turn up anything (more?) significant.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 22, 2018

    A very rational and realistic analysis of Trump’s response and reactions to it:
    http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/21/dc-establishment-gets-almost-everything-wrong-trumps-saudi-posture/

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