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  1. Conspiratoor

     /  November 24, 2018

    Oxford university humanity institute calculates a 19% chance humankind will be extinct by 2100, or a little over 80 years.

    My reckoning puts it a little higher – 27 to 29%. But first we need to survive chinas relentless march towards global domination and its aftermath

    https://educateinspirechange.org/science-technology/risk-human-extinction-2100-higher-might-think/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 24, 2018

      Bizarre. Is there a model or just a video?

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    • Gezza

       /  November 24, 2018

      Um … what we have to survive is the competition between China and the US for global domination by Xi’s Noodles or Trump’s Cheeseburgers.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 24, 2018

        Is there a caravan trying to get into China?
        Maybe from NK only.

        Are many Americans emigrating to NZ?
        Nope, just Chinese and Indians.

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        • Griff.

           /  November 24, 2018

          A rise in work visas has been the driving force behind record immigration numbers but the main source countries are not from Asia.

          A Herald analysis into immigration data found work visa arrivals increased from 16,787 in 2004 to 41,576 last year.

          The top five source countries for work last year are the United Kingdom, Germany, Australia, South Africa and the United States of America.

          The United Kingdom, which made up 16.6 per cent of work visas issued, has twice as many as those of Germany on 8.8 per cent.

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11842859
          Asians mostly enter under “temporary” Student visas.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  November 24, 2018

            “The top five source countries for work [visas] last year are the United Kingdom, Germany, Australia, South Africa and the United States of America.”

            In other words, they go unnoticed … They’re “like us” … They’re not “others” … They are “us” … not “them” … They seamlessly integrate …

            The others are “them” … It’s been mostly the same with immigration all along … The Asian invasion …

            ” …competition between China and the US for global domination” … Spot on Gezza!

            Indeed, there’s a theory that the principal effect [and therefore Western motivation] of the Cold War and the arms race was to severely limit and/or cripple the USSR’s social spending at home … Otherwise the dreaded “socialism” might be seen to be successful …?

            The Soviets countered by trying to infiltrate Western “peace movements” … Maybe they wanted to promote peace?

            China’s “trade war” and “relentless march towards global domination” MIGHT be very similar? A Western ‘refracted image’? After all, we went to them for cheap labour and resources in our great ‘centrally planned’ “globalisation” effort …

            We’re superior, Right? The most important thing is we see ourselves as the goodies …

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        • Gezza

           /  November 24, 2018

          I think it’s already arrived, Sir Alan?

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        • Gezza

           /  November 24, 2018

          Is there a caravan trying to get into China?

          From docos I’ve seen on Aljazeera and elsewhere there seem to be quite a few Americans & Europeans in China already. Mainly businesspeople. They had a half-hour doco on a young South African bloke doing very well for himself exploiting the many business opportunities over there in Shanghai, not too long ago. He couldn’t do business in South Africa post-liberation because he was white, he said, and everything is stacked against him.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  November 24, 2018

            Zuma’s legacy in SA: incompetence, corruption, crime, unemployment and racial preference.

            It will take a long time to recover if it can. The worst part is that it is still better than most of the rest of Africa and continues to import problems from it.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  November 24, 2018

            @Gezza – “He couldn’t do business in South Africa post-liberation because he was white, he said, and everything is stacked against him.”

            Did he mention the distinct advantage he had “pre-liberation” under Apartheid?

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            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              @Partisanz

              No. Because he never had any advantage ‘”pre-liberation” under Apartheid”. Can you guess why? Have a think.

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

    • Noel

       /  November 24, 2018

      Is this like that Nuclear Clock thingy that during the Cold War was focused on the chance of a nuclear exchange, to morph to include global warming etc?

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  2. Gezza

     /  November 24, 2018

    I encountered a young mum on a bicycle towing one of these last night. The bubba was getting a very bumpy ride indeed. Anyone else seen one?

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    • Gezza

       /  November 24, 2018

      Wow. No one else has seen one. Tbh – after watching how it was bouncing up & down and whipping from side to side while happy young mum wombled along on her bike, oblivious to just how un-level our street roads actually are and what a rough ride that child must have been getting, and how much of the road she was taking up, I was surprised it was even legal in NZ. Especially under our current PM and Transport Minister on maternity leave.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 24, 2018

        They have been around for a very long time, and I have seen them on the open road….they are a blimmin nuisance on the pavement. They are a nuisance everywhere. I am amazed that there haven’t been prangs.

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  3. Mother

     /  November 24, 2018

    Jordan Peterson is saying helpful things. I think he is intelligent, warm hearted and brave.

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  4. Corky

     /  November 24, 2018

    Interesting clip this for those who are observant, starting with Avi walking past bollards. Many little stories going on here. These Muslims set up a stand where the latest Muslim convert murdered at man.

    Avi, the interviewer, is a Jew boy. And it would seem Muslims aren’t his only problem. Some
    Aussies gave him plenty of grief over the years, too.

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-im-proud-to-be-a-fking-jew/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 24, 2018

      Needless to say that these people are not Jihadists and the story is a total distortion of the facts.

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    • Corky

       /  November 24, 2018

      Ostriches to the right of me..sand to the left…

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      • Gezza

         /  November 24, 2018

        Um … You’re at a zoo in Libya?

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        • Gezza

           /  November 24, 2018

          I quite like this game, Corks. Looking forward to another: Where’s Corky?

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          • Corky

             /  November 24, 2018

            Let’s play…but rebrand it as ” Who Has A Life.” According to Kitty I don’t have a life.” But is it Kitty who doesn’t have a life? Let us find out?

            Let’s do this.😄

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      • Corky

         /  November 24, 2018

        No,just having dig at Kitty. A jihadist came from the stand shown in this clip. Notice these chaps were ready for confrontation. They had their own cameraman .

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        • Gezza

           /  November 24, 2018

          Oh. I see. Sorry.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 24, 2018

            I’ll have a look at the clip later. Would you like to see some clips of nasty, abusive Israeli settlers taunting & abusing Palestinian families in their homes while IDF soldiers stand around letting it happen?

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            • Corky

               /  November 24, 2018

              No, I concentrate on Muslims. I doubt the Israelis want us dead.
              No need to look at the clip.

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              No I’ll definitely have a look at the clip, I’ve got issues with the behaviour of both sets of semitics over there – the arabs and the hebrews. They’re each both anti-semitic towards the other semitic group. This is a big problem because the Jaweh-believers nicked that land of the original inhabitants and only controlled it for 300 years, and then the Allah-followers (i.e. Jaweh 3.0) controlled it for 1400 years, and then Western countries handed it over to European Jews. And a lot of them really want all of the land their ancestors stole from the original inhabitants back, and they’re taking it. It was never going to be a happy situation.

            • The clip and the description thereof are a distortion of the events.

              One would have to be very stupid and gullible to imagine that Jihadists would set up shop so openly in that place, and I am neither*. Or that all Muslims want to kill everyone who isn’t one. That is paranoia. I imagine that paranoia and bigotry go hand in hand in many cases, as they appear to do in this one.

              Corky’s been breathing in too much carbon monoxide.

              * It’s like thinking that the IRA would set up shop outside the hotel in Brighton.

    • Gezza

       /  November 24, 2018

      Fuck Yaweh’s got a lot to answer for.

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  5. Noel

     /  November 24, 2018

    Correct me if I am wrong Gr iff but those figures don’t include Open Post Study Work Visas and those on Student Visas working more than the allowed hours.

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    • Griff.

       /  November 24, 2018

      Asians mostly enter under “temporary” Student visas

      Which is a rort instigated deliberately by National to keep our wages low.
      Your local gas station or mc’d probably has a Asian “manager”,pumping gas or flipping burgers. who has done some dodgy “management course” and now is doing practical work in the field with the long term goal of gaining residency .

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  November 24, 2018

    Can anyone point out the value of having David Seymour and Act the one man party?this solitary MPs salary is $180+ and all he does is pop up and say ME ME look at ME with inane statement’s,waste of money I say.

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    • perhaps he is quietly doing a good job as electorate MP in Epsom.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 24, 2018

        He was forced on Epsom and one man bands don’t get much done…ACT is history next election

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 24, 2018

      That’s largely the role of opposition, Lurch. It would be better if he were still in Government, wouldn’t it?

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    • Ray

       /  November 24, 2018

      I suggest you would be better to examine the various Labour list people who while they may be in Government don’t have a public profile at all and are just lobby fodder or worse just ticked a box as virtual signal to the electorate.
      Price of Democracy.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 24, 2018

        I was with him on Wednesday, He had driven to Hamilton, flown to Wellington, flown back and was driving back that night.

        Anyone who thinks that MPs don’t earn their money has never known any.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  November 24, 2018

    The USA who are in a trade war with China have turned their eyes towards Huawei and 5G and want them frozen out of the market, well good luck donald trump and friends,SPARK uses Huawei modems for all of its customer’s wifi. but i use TP-Link, better
    https://venturebeat.com/2018/11/23/u-s-lobbies-germany-italy-and-japan-to-ban-huawei-5g-equipment/

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  8. Corky

     /  November 24, 2018

    I was waiting for this to happen. Socialist can’t bear the thought that someone, somewhere,may be enjoying themselves without government regulation.

    This is why I support the Black Market. Until the government gets why we have a black market; we will always have a black market.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 24, 2018

        There was an interesting BBC Horizon documentary on Prime the other night, which was looking at a study of vaping, and specifically whether the current limited research they were doing shows if it’s healthier for nicotine addicts than cigarettes.

        It is. But there is virtually nothing in the way of detailed research being done into the solvents and food flavourings agents used to produce the wide array of flavours.

        What was intriguing though was that I’ve seen & heard people say the Chinese (and/or Japanese) don’t invent anything themselves, they just copy and improve on Western inventions. But they interviewed the nicotine addict in China who hadn’t been able to give up smoking and who therefore invented the e-cigarette. And showed us his prototype and first production model of the e-cigarette.

        It took off big in China and Asia, before the big tobacco companies all got involved and given their history of addictive additives and misleading research and lying there are concerns about what they’re up to in the vaping area now.

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  9. The Consultant

     /  November 24, 2018

    More news from the world of Double Standards.

    … when the Mail infamously ran with the front-page headline ‘Crush the saboteurs’, meaning Remoaners, in April last year. You might recall the chattering-class meltdown that occurred following the publication of that front page. Branding people ‘saboteurs’ simply for expressing their political views was ‘nasty and divisive’, ‘chilling’, and either ‘Stalinist’ or ‘fascist’, depending on whether you are on the right or the left.

    Outwageous! Fortunately The Daily Mail has new editors, so now.. Fury at preening Tory saboteurs:. It contains lots of language about the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg such as: ‘preening’, ‘shrill’, ‘baying’, ‘low-grade’, ‘lost the plot’.

    And the response from the same “outwaged” folks from the first round, as noted by Spiked

    no outrage. No Twitterstorm. No teeth-extendingly dull LBC phone-ins about fascism in Middle England. No handwringing about ‘divisive’ language from John McDonnell. Instead we had gleeful-cum-analytical pieces about whether the Mail’s switching of the word saboteur from Remainers to Brexiteers is proof that the paper has been ‘detoxified’ post-Paul Dacre.

    In other words, all the pearl-clutching about tabloid newspapers and “language, dear”, was bullshit. It was the political opinion of the paper that really caused the outrage.

    As usual.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  November 24, 2018

      Where exactly is the world of consistent, singular, contiguous standards?

      I’d like to visit it.

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  10. “Aren’t many of the thousands of questions that your MPs are requiring ministers to answer just trivial, plain and simple?

    What do you mean exactly by “trivial”?

    Are we really going to go there Mr Bridges? Are we really going to go there? Is this not simply a fishing expedition designed to clog up the Government’s resources in the faint hope some embarrassing titbit will be turned up?

    Wait – what’s wrong with fishing? Isn’t fishing one of our most important industries? Why can’t you focus on the issues that affect ordinary hard-working New Zealanders?

    Like how many doorbells on a fishing boat?

    Oh look, is that necessary?

    Have you calculated how many taxpayer dollars are being spent every week asking and answering these questions?

    Where did you get these figures from anyway? Were they leaked? Do you know who leaked them?

    If they were leaked, will you be seeking an inquiry like last time?

    Goodness, is it that late?

    And your time is up.

    I’m not going without a fight!

    No no, your two minutes here is up and you have successfully asked a total of 28 pointless questions. Only 87 to go and you’ll have reached your daily average.

    Will this job ever get easier?”

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    • Gezza

       /  November 24, 2018

      How long have you been hearing these voices?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 24, 2018

      I have difficulty deciding which would be more humiliating: writing, publishing or quoting that piece of witless journalism.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 24, 2018

        I am certain that former editors of the Press would spin in their graves if they knew their successor was publishing such utter crap that they have to actually label it satire in case horrified readers think a lunatic hacker got into their computers.

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        • robertguyton

           /  November 24, 2018

          Glad you liked it: try this:
          “And, although the concept will stick in the craw of the political die-hards, it may be that three heads are better than one providing they are realistically talking to one another. It presumably helps too if the representative party power brokers have the gumption to give the clear impression they are working cooperatively rather than constantly trying to out-manoeuvre one another.

          And in this instance the combined leadership attributes of vitality, experience and respect for the environment appears to have eventually accepted cooperation works more effectively than one-upmanship.

          In the last week or so the Prime Minister’s relaxed but focussed interventions at both the challenging APEC and ASEAN conferences in Singapore and Port Moresby should leave only the politically hide-bound in any doubt about how effectively a relative political new-comer can play the international game.”
          https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/108820734/coalition-government-proving-sceptics-wrong

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  November 24, 2018

            Read the comments, Robert. They pretty much say it all about that column.

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            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              I might have a read of that later when I get back from doing ma’s dinner down there, but just on the job she did at Port Moresby, Jacinda pulled that one off perfectly. World class for that sort of do.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 24, 2018

              Umm.. tell me about Port Moresby. What did that achieve?

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              She made bland soothing non-confrontational statements about both China and the US’s trade war and appeared with Mike Pence and the Australian PM announcing 5 western countries are bringing electricity to the masses and she got prominence making that announcement on Aljazeera tv so now lots of non-Americans know who she is and she was the only woman at the table and she looked good.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 24, 2018

              Whew, that’s a relief. There was me thinking it was a non-event.

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              Not your fault. You’re probably thinking of a Trump rally.

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              Well I read the article. I see it was by Richard Griffin & I rate his opinion & see his perspective on this assessment, which is really about how this shambolic looking government of unnatural allies seems to have dragged together a working arrangement that after a lot of initial abrading & positioning seems to have settled down and begun to work as a cooperative endeavour.

              I also skimmed through a few comments but found them so partisan from both sides I flagged that away.

              There’s a lot that could go right and a lot that could go wrong between now and the next election – with this government failing to achieve the outcomes promised, failing to be open and transparent (already scoring high on that fail) bullshitting a lot (Jacinda has a Masters in it – she’s even better than Steven Joyce), people paying extra taxes in one hidden form or another – or increased prices and being financially worse off under Labour than National – but they’ve implemented some bold changes that may have popular support. And Jacinda’s got a huge proportion of the female vote sewn up, imo, whether she’s good, bad, or indifferent, until the election after the next one at least, unless things really turn to custard – and they haven’t yet.

              An interesting piece for this point in time, I thought.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 24, 2018

              The few things the Govt has done have mostly been disasters. The rest are waiting for all the working groups to report back.

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              Do you mind listing some disasters please?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 24, 2018

              Housing, free student year, teacher recruitment and salaries, rental property constraints, oil prospecting, Pike River entry, … I’ve mercifully forgotten a few no doubt.

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              Housing – not a disaster. Just a bit of a larf. No great improvement on the shambles it was in under National. Twyford’s an idiot. But there’s still hope things will be no worse than under National.

              free student year – too soon to tell. I seem to recall there are indications of more takeup in trade training or construction sector. Next year will be the time to see what’s happening. Not a disaster yet.

              teacher recruitment and salaries – I think teachers are paid very well, especially for folk who get four months off a year. I don’t think teacher salaries are the reason we don’t have enuf teachers. I think the hassles teachers have these days with the behaviour of the kids is a big reason why especially males won’t go near it. Personal view. Under-funding of special needs teaching services and school maintenance needs addressing, yes, but salaries not so much. However, I’m not sure this is a disaster either. Conservatives are grumpy about teacher strikes, I’m not so sure that ordinary working and non-working mums are.

              rental property constraints – yes that could become a disaster.

              oil prospecting – can’s been kicked down the road, actually. Plenty of reserves. Not a disaster yet.

              Pike River entry – Don’t agree with it, personally, but haven’t seen evidence it’s widely seen as a disaster.

              I’ve mercifully forgotten a few no doubt – No doubt. You probably should be keeping a list, and links to evidence that they’re actually widely seen as disasters.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 24, 2018

              No point in keeping a list – that’s just a make work exercise that plenty of others are paid to do. I judge disasters by the results, not by whether the mob recognises them. The Lefty MSM are still vested in not recognising them after waiting 9 years to get rid of Key. Wake me up when they start counting the homeless and blaming the government again.

            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              ROFL.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 24, 2018

              ? Another manic moment? Oh well, too bad, so sad. Off to sleep.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  November 24, 2018

    Corky,no muslims were involved in this killing in trumps,USA…MAGA
    https://t.co/PjxNK5Rmg1

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    • Corky

       /  November 24, 2018

      He doesn’t look Muslim, I have to agree, Lurchy. I’m more worried about Muslims across the ditch. Possibly coming over to a dog event near you( they hate dogs..and dog owners.)

      Hold on…I’ve just had it confirmed that Muslims aren’t the only people who murder other people. Well I never. The things you learn everyday.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 24, 2018

        WHO CARES ABOUT AUSTRALIA,now PNG you can worry about but.Corky my dogs don’t care as they have, BIG TEETH and HATE smart, nasty rightwing haters YUMMY muslims they spit out no goodness,

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        • Corky

           /  November 24, 2018

          If you say so, Lurchy. I reckon you’ll be like everyone else and run around like a headless chook. You may even forget to feed RED. That’s if RED is still alive.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 24, 2018

            Don’t waste time answering that, Lurch.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 24, 2018

              Anyone who says that someone doesn’t look like a member of a religion whose members are from so many countries is an idiot. Does the man not look like a Somali, an Arab,a Pakistani a Malaysian, a Pakeha,….?

  12. robertguyton

     /  November 24, 2018

    And this:
    “Ardern finishes 2018 far stronger than she started it. There were doubts that she could make her three-headed Government work. But she has. The Labour-NZ First-Greens hybrid ends the year looking surprisingly solid.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/108774040/the-big-political-countdown-is-on–are-you-ready

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 24, 2018

      That column was worth reading, Robert. Well done, that’s a first I think. Keep it up.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 24, 2018

        God its like watching two Catholics discovering, the holy MOTHER religion, A & R we are here for you

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 24, 2018

          He needs help, Lurch, and I’m always kind to Lefties who need help

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          • Gezza

             /  November 24, 2018

            That’s quite a good analysis.

            Davis will be hoping the end of 2018 draws a line under the questions about whether he’s up to the deputy leadership.

            I don’t think he is. But where he does score well is with Maori & replacing him would not be a good move, so he’s probably safe as long as Grant can whisper in his ear when needed.

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    • PDB

       /  November 24, 2018

      Not a bad summary, though some big errors like this “Labour’s programme has largely been implemented” – which it hasn’t.

      Major work place reform and the multitude of stuff currently before working groups, including huge topics such as tax increases as well as stuff just dumped (anti TPPA sentiment, huge reduction in immigration) has meant running the economy as close to National was hence the continuing economic good news. You could argue the Labour policies that have been implemented like Kiwibuild & student free loans are total failures. When all the working groups report back & real change is implemented that is detrimental to the economy we will see how well the Coalition govt does.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 24, 2018

        I agree.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 24, 2018

          It will be interesting to see what the impact and cost of the ban on plastic shopping bags from retailers announced today will be. 1ewes gave only positive coverage to it. Ma said well they’ll just use paper bags, and I said I think I recall finding out paper production is terrible for the evironment. I wonder what the downstream costs might be if retailers pass on any additional costs for replacements for the ubiquitous retailer bag. It was fascinating watching those people saying I think this is great, standing there holding their retailer plastic shopping bag of goodies.

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            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              Yes I’ve seen that but I read a bit more widely than that a few years back seeing that’s: “Content compiled by the Canadian Plastics Industry Association”.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  November 24, 2018

            The average IQ is often as depressing as the conversation with the average voter Churchill complained about. It’s quite scary what people can be brainwashed into.

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            • Gezza

               /  November 24, 2018

              I find the best thing to do is concentrate on the things that matter most to one at the time and not give too much weight to people with a really strong bias toward one view. It’s so easy to get sucked into research or opinion that only supports their view for example, when you can often find equally interesting and well-researched material that arrives at different conclusions. The best thing to do is ignore folk who say if you don’t agree with me it’s because you’re too thick. That’s what Trump does.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 24, 2018

              Sage Green waits until shops have stocked up on the strong bags which they now won’t be let to sell.She ignored the fact that the vast majority of soft plastic ends up in the recycling bins at the supermarket. Chilly bags are nothing like so easy to keep clean as plastic which can be washed in the washing machine and used again or recycled.

              Paper leaks, something that she seems not to realise.

              If we can buy binliners instead of using supermarket bags, what is the difference?

              I carry a tote bag and seldom take a plastic one, but will be stocking up now. I already have a large number of Pak & Save ones and will be buying some of the large ones. Paper bags are not much use in heavy rain.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 24, 2018

      Judge them all by one. How intelligent. Don’t tell me, you’re being sarcastic.

      Reply
  13. lurcher1948

     /  November 24, 2018

    POSTING AGAIN,trump THE RIGHT WING GOD AND ORANGE IDIOT and the USA is having a brain fart against the Chinese telecom Huawei,
    The USA who are in a trade war with China have turned their eyes towards Huawei and 5G and want them frozen out of the market, well good luck donald trump and friends,SPARK uses Huawei modems for all of its customer’s wifi. but i use TP-Link, better
    https://venturebeat.com/2018/11/23/u-s-lobbies-germany-italy-and-japan-to-ban-huawei-5g-equipment/

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  14. lurcher1948

     /  November 24, 2018

    Corky im watching “THE BODY GUARD” again,can you tell me why so many muslims vote NATIONAL??is it because Sir Key needed cheap labour and votes and let so many muslim voters in as cheap labour

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  15. lurcher1948

     /  November 24, 2018

    GEZZA as you are computer smart, could you show the blog JESS (sweet JESS) my new rescues picture, sigh must do a course

    [Done for you. In Facebook:
    – right click on the photo
    – click on Copy Image address
    – Ctrl+V this into a comment here
    – post the comment
    PG]

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  16. lurcher1948

     /  November 24, 2018

    OUTLAW PG cant you hear me,but a good blog,,, BALANCED

    Reply

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