Government considering triple referendum:

On Q+A last night Andrew little revealed that the Government is considering a triple referendum that would include questions on Euthanasia, Cannabis and MMP Electoral reform.

Hopefully the MMP question would be on lowering the threshold.

Little didn’t say whether this would be before or with the next General Election, but I think it would be far opreferble to have a separate non-postal referendum.

I guess it would be to much to expect also including a referendum on becoming a republic.

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  1. David

     /  November 26, 2018

    Would be good to finally shut the republicans up for a while, God Save the Queen etc.

    Referendums seem to be vicious and divisive here and I am not a fan of them, it seems we cant quite deal with them in a mature respectful way and I would prefer the politicians campaigned on these issues and worked cooperatively through a select committee process in a less shouty and more reasoned way.
    With euthanasia I am a fan but with good law around it so its not just a yes/no question and the same with weed which I think should be medical only again not yes or no.
    The flag referendum was appalling as was the question on keeping MMP or not, the days of reasoned public debate are long behind us because our media are immature babies.

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    • Griff.

       /  November 26, 2018

      I guess it would be to much to expect also including a referendum on becoming a republic.
      The time for that will be after QEII NZ dies.

      Cannabis?
      Legalize, regulate, tax and educate.
      Prohibition has never solved a drug problem.
      Instead it transfers money to criminal underground and makes drugs more costly for society than they would be else wise.

      Euthanasia?
      We would not put a dog though the pain and suffering some wish to inflict on the dying.
      With a terminal condition it should be your right to chose the time and place of your death.
      Not the right of some fringe Christian to make you suffer in the name of their imaginary friend

      MMP
      lower the threshold .
      The risk of a few fringe mp’s is a acceptable price for having it possible for new party to represent their electorate .
      Both The Conservatives and TOP found it too difficult to get into parliament due to the threshold of 5%. Both had the ability to grow into party’s with more mainstream support if they had more chance of representation.
      We have 120mp’s 1% of the vote should be enough for a person/party to get elected.

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  2. david in aus

     /  November 26, 2018

    How about adding the status of the Maori seats in the referendum: To abolish or not to abolish?

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    • Gezza

       /  November 26, 2018

      How about not? How about leaving well enough alone until their negative stats improve?

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      • David in aus

         /  November 26, 2018

        How has the presence of Maori seats over the last 100 years made any difference? Unrelated topics.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 26, 2018

          What have the Maori Seats got to do with Euthanasia, Cannabis and MMP Electoral reform? Don’t come the raw kumara with me. Unrelated topic. Off down to ma’s. I’ll ignore you later if necessary.

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          • David in aus

             /  November 26, 2018

            Maori seats are related to MMP.

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            • Gezza

               /  November 26, 2018

              Ok, I’m back. Sorry about the delay, David in aus. I’ve got elder care responsibilities. Just letting you know I’m ignoring you now.

            • David in aus

               /  November 26, 2018

              Odd

            • Gezza

               /  November 26, 2018

              I say “wot?” but I’m ignoring you so I have to let it pass.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  November 26, 2018

              @David in aus If you are in Australia you have abandoned ship anyway.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  November 26, 2018

      What do you hope to achieve by abolishing the Maori seats? The status quo seems to work alright. A vote to abolish would irritate segments of Maoridom to satisfy conservative whites.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  November 26, 2018

        Conserving the status quo is a better deal.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 26, 2018

          Never mind how, when or why they were established – the decision whether to abolish the Maori seats or not is one for Maori to make, not Pakeha.

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          • david in aus

             /  November 26, 2018

            Democracy is a decision for everyone. How one is governed should be by consent of all and not entrenched interests.

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      • david in aus

         /  November 26, 2018

        Maori seats are anti-democratic. And frankly, it is not right. Race-seats should be anathema to people who believe in democracy.

        In the age of First-Past-The-Post, one could make the argument for it, when the majority (non-Maori) in one seat always outweighs minority interest. But not in the age of MMP where Maori are already over represented in parliament.

        Why does an over-represented group need special seats?

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        • Gezza

           /  November 26, 2018

          Maori seats are anti-democratic. And frankly, it is not right. Race-seats should be anathema to people who believe in democracy.

          What a load of rot. If they were anti-democratic they’d only be allowed to vote for a Maori Party. As it is they can vote for any party including any party you might want to vote for. If you even vote from over there. That’s representative democracy. We can look again at the Maori seats when all the treaty settlements are finalised but even then it should be Maori who decide whether the time for those special seats is gone.

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          • david in aus

             /  November 26, 2018

            ” it should be Maori who decide whether the time for those special seats is gone”
            Make as much sense and David Seymour deciding on the MMP one-seat coat tail rule. Yeah right.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  November 26, 2018

          Do you live in Australia?

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  November 26, 2018

          I don’t agree that Maori seats are undemocratic, individual Maori only get one vote like everyone else ( one electorate & one party vote). The electorates are set by an independent commission based on census figures.

          Are the rest of us disadvantaged, not really proportionality is based on the party vote under MMP. In fact MMP has removed any advantage that there may have been under FPP.

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  3. Zedd

     /  November 26, 2018

    It was widely stated that the last Govt. ‘wasted’ $26mil (?) on the populist/self-interest ‘Key-Flag’ Referendum.. it makes more sense to have several questions/topics on the one form; ‘more bang for your buck’ :/

    I also agree that they are better off running this, prior to the election, so the results are clear & we know what the public think, so that these few issues, do not totally dominate the next election debates.

    We all need to remember that ‘FEAR-mongering’.. generally does not present a balanced, honest view on things; ‘FOR GOD’S SAKE THINK OF THE CHILDREN !!!!” (& forget everyone else)

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  4. unitedtribes2

     /  November 26, 2018

    Makes sense. Cannabus is the only solution for the suffering of MMP and when that wears off euthanasia is the only way out.

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  5. I still get annoyed that the results of the MMP review were ignored. We should look at “referenduming” some/all of those recommendations over any republic question.

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  6. oldlaker

     /  November 26, 2018

    It’s a bit murky but I think the euthanasia referendum is among the clauses in NZ First’s coalition agreement and depends entirely on a bill being passed. If David Seymour’s bill fails to pass its second reading, the govt is not obliged to hold a referendum. I wish it would have a referendum because I think there would be a big majority in favour but if Little is not obliged to hold one, I wonder if he would.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 26, 2018

      When I read David’s Assisted Suicide paper, I was very impressed. There are so many safeguards that nobody need worry about being bumped off against their will. Nobody can book it in advance, so to speak, in case they become senile. It is only for those who are capable of making an informed decision, no doctor will be forced to do it, every possible safeguard is there.

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