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26 November 2018

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  1. Gezza

     /  November 26, 2018

    “At 9am on my first day as principal of a small primary school, I shut my office door and burst into tears. After just 30 minutes on the job, I’d been sworn at by a child, abused by a parent, and a teacher had threatened to walk out. It only got worse. I had kids breaking windows. There were four or five fist fights a day. The police were on call.

    I’ve travelled the world. I have seen hard and I have done rough. But this was something else. It was not how a school should function. The behaviour issues meant there was no such thing as learning. For six weeks, I went home crying every night and said ‘I’m not going back.’ But I did. Because nothing has ever beaten me – and I was furious that this was happening to our children.”
    More …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/108836594/principal-battles-to-turn-around-one-of-nzs-most-challenging-schools-i-shut-my-office-door-and-burst-into-tears

    Possibly no coincidence this article appears around the time of threatened teacher strikes. I haven’t read all the comments yet, but “whose fault is this, they need to bring back discipline, bad parents, education is a social experiment gone wrong, hard faced. uncaring society, it’s everyone’s fault: we are all responsible” all seemed to be in there.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 26, 2018

      This is hardly a common occurrence, I think, or nobody would go into the profession. At least in NZ the fights are not with guns and seldom with knives.

      It’s not new, though; you want to read about some Victorian schools.And schools since then, of course.

      I’m not responsible; why would I be? I wonder if the writer of hard-faced, uncaring society sees themselves in that light.

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  2. David

     /  November 26, 2018

    There is some woeful parenting in NZ and its pretty much ignored by the state until it becomes so bad it cant be ignored.
    I remember a couple of years ago the family living in a car with two teenage daughters, stupid choices from Dad were behind them leaving a perfectly good home and job and moving to Auckland then falling out family who were putting them up…anyway the media went crazy about the housing crisis but really they should have been screaming for the two children to be taken off the neglectful parents and put in a house so they can attend to their normal teenage needs and be ready to complete their education.
    The DPB should come with long term contraception obligations, aside from our PM the vast bulk of women seem to manage their fertility with aplomb and having another child when on the dole massively increases the odds of poor outcomes for that child 9 (and the schmuck taxpayer).

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  3. David

     /  November 26, 2018

    Some casual racism tinged with some islamophobia and dog whistling from the US again.

    “I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame. I admire the very generous and compassionate approaches that were taken by leaders like Angela Merkel [of Germany], but I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part and must send a very clear message — “we are not going to be able to continue providing refuge and support” — because if we don’t deal with the migration issue it will continue to roil the body politic.”

    And then this:

    “Look at Europe! Europe’s already crushed under this transformation that’s taken place because of immigration.”

    Brought to you by Hilary Clinton and John Kerry, at least with Trump he welcomes immigrants to the US but insists they follow the law and apply through the proper channels because mass migration undermine the jobs and wages of his base.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 26, 2018

      I found 3 Trumpophile Right Wing websites pushing the line you are taking here, taking their attack lines from a Guardian live interview of 15 November 2018. This puts it in its full context:

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/16/john-kerry-europe-must-tackle-climate-change-or-face-migration-chaos

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      • David

         /  November 26, 2018

        Kerry to be fair linked it to climate change but its still just dog whistle casual racism, why would a Syrian have more of a carbon footprint in Germany than in Aleppo.
        Hilary is just a horrid person, she voted for the border wall too.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 26, 2018

          I think there’s general agreement among most sane people and those who are not rampant Trumpophiles that Hilary and Donald are both horrid people.

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          • David

             /  November 26, 2018

            At least Trump is entertaining, albeit in an alarming way at times

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            • Gezza

               /  November 26, 2018

              He seems to be focused on entertaining the Saudi Crown Prince’s evil machinations because he’s also a salesperson and an arms dealer, like his predecessor. America First turns out to be America First Everywhere, At Any Price.

            • David

               /  November 26, 2018

              He is refreshingly honest, he saw the guy was chopped up and acknowledged the Saudi top brass did it but there is no bringing the guy back but there are 10,s of thousands of jobs at stake, leverage to be used to keep the oil price low and a friend to keep the Iranians on the back foot. No doubt he finds it abhorrent but business is business and he spells out the maths.

            • Gezza

               /  November 26, 2018

              I read somewhere it’s about 20,000 jobs and most of them are in Saudi Arabia.

            • lurcher1948

               /  November 26, 2018

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 26, 2018

          Hillary Clinton’s remarks have been taken completely out of context, which shouldn’t come as a surprise, and made to sound completely different to what they actually mean.

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  4. Simon Bridges, on “Santa” – “I just want a few things I can believe in”.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 26, 2018

      Can you link to where he says that please?

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        • Gezza

           /  November 26, 2018

          You seem to have missed all the main points, robert:

          The Human Rights Commission says sex is a “prohibited ground of discrimination”, but exceptions could be made for “reasons of authenticity”.

          “We’ve got discrimination rules and they’re absolutely right, you know, whether it’s gender, whether it’s ethnicity,” said Mr Bridges. “But I think the truth is on Santa, this is a traditional thing. Mary Poppins is a woman, Santa Claus is a man. That’s how it should be.”

          Auckland Mayor Phil Goff told The AM Show Mr Baker should not have lost his job for insisting on only hiring male Santas. “I have actually seen woman Santas around the place. I think it’s all a bit of a storm in a teacup.” Mr Goff said he had no power to force the Children’s Christmas Parade Trust to hire a male Santa. The Children’s Christmas Parade Trust ended up replacing Mr Baker with another man anyway.

          Wellington Mayor Justin Lester said he saw Santa on Saturday, and he is “definitely a man”. “He’s doing a good job.”

          The Auckland Christmas Parade was cancelled on Sunday due to poor weather. It has been rescheduled for next Sunday.

          How the fuck could you miss all those?

          And a lot of people seem to have missed the main reason why the Santa actor in question, Neville Baker, probably got the push:

          Neville Baker also said female applicants would be hired, but only as Santa’s helpers – and he’d dress them in a “little skirt and top”.

          I’m picking he got passed over this year because he may have lost his mind.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 26, 2018

            He didn’t sound to me as if he was saying it in a dirty old man way, just saying that that was how the female ones would dress, and that you wouldn’t dress males in a little skirt and top, making the point that when it comes to some things the sexes are different. The remark has been taken out of context.

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