Inappropriate touching allegations – Young Nationals now

Newsroom: Police investigate incident after Young Nats event

Police are investigating an incident following a Young Nationals event in central Auckland last week in which a teenage woman reported inappropriate touching and behaviour by a male Young Nats member.

The incident occurred after the group’s Christmas drinks at the Brew on Quay bar last Tuesday. At least two MPs attended the event.

It is understood the woman, aged 17, and some friends went to the young man’s apartment near the bar as they were moving to another karaoke venue. They say he had told them he was a wealthy political party donor and there were drinks at his place.

The woman was taken to a room where he allegedly grabbed her face, tried to kiss her and keep her from her friends, at one stage pulling her away from them by her wrists. When she got out of the room and left the flat she was pursued across a road and to a fast food outlet’s toilet area as the man allegedly continued to try to grope her.

She reported the matter to police, who involved detectives who took a statement from her over one and a half hours – and then took her to tell her parents what had happened.

Auckland police have confirmed to Newsroom they “are investigating a complaint relating to an alleged incident at an address in Auckland Central on 20 November. Police are currently making inquiries and we are not in a position to provide further details at this stage”.

Newsroom has been told the National Party has suspended the Young Nats man involved, barring him from any further events. Another organisation has also blacklisted him from future gatherings.

The woman is not a Young Nats member and was a guest at the event. An MP made aware of the allegations says he called and counselled her and promised any support she might need.

Last night a National Party spokesperson told Newsroom: “We were made aware of an alleged incident that took place at a separate location, after the conclusion of a Young Nationals event last week. The person who brought the issue to our attention gave no further details, or names of those persons involved.

“In line with our health and safety policies, we acted quickly to offer any support and advice to the person who raised the issue, and this information was passed onto the alleged victim. As this is now a matter for the police, we can’t comment any further.”

This sounds alarmingly similar to the Young Labour incident (that is still before the court). At least this time it seems to have been dealt with much faster – at least a lesson seems to have been learned there.

But young people getting pissed seem to have a lot to learn about inappropriate behaviour.

This is an allegation at this stage, but it’s another warning to parties about managing events that are linked to politics.

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  1. Gezza

     /  November 27, 2018

    I thought something like this was inevitable, to be honest. And I wouldn’t be surprised if something similar happens to NZF and the Greens before the next election either. Maybe even ACT, although that could just be a misunderstanding through everyone just being scrunched up together having a party conference in a cloakroom.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 27, 2018

      One hour of general debate over on Kiwiblog and still no mention,just the usual Ardern abuse
      “it’s alright when the right do it”
      PG…more up to date with the news than Nationals attack…poodle

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  November 27, 2018

        The issue was never that it happened with Labour. It was the lengths they went to to cover it up.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 27, 2018

        A poster on Kiwiblog has stated it’s a labour plot,denial is a form of defence amongst righties but then it’s alright when the right do it.

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        • PDB

           /  November 27, 2018

          Clutching at straws there Lurch, incident not at all similar to Labour’s as I point out below.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 27, 2018

            It’s hardly the same as the Labour one where underage drinkers were left alone with unlimited free alcohol. The reaction here was swift and professional (for want of a better word)

            I do wonder why her friends (?) did nothing.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              Also why she left the flat where her friends were. Why did they do nothing to help ? Did they just stand there and watch ?

              And when she reached the food place, why she didn’t nip into a dunny and lock the door.

              Or simply stay in the food place in full sight of everyone in there.

              There are some very odd elements in this story.

              I do wonder how many girls of 17 call themselves women.!

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              It is understood the woman, aged 17, and some friends went to the young man’s apartment near the bar as they were moving to another karaoke venue. They say he had told them he was a wealthy political party donor and there were drinks at his place.

              Kind of wonder about that one too.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              The more one thinks about it, the odder it seems, and the less probable.

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              I don’t see it as improbable, but I do see it as odd, needing explaining, and incredibly naive if true. This story may get legs.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              I do see it as improbable that it happened as it has been described. It makes no sense.

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              I do wonder how many girls of 17 call themselves women.!

              Even back in the 70’s all my 5th & 6th form female classmates were constantly informed they were “young women” and expected to behave as such. So I would imagine in many contexts many 17 year old females consider themselves women – from puberty onwards.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              Young women, yes, but not women. I can’t imagine myself at 17 saying that some of the women were going to a do, or saying that the woman who won the prize for Maths also won it for Science, and it seems unlikely that it happens now.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              I began menstruating at 11, but didn’t call myself a woman.

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              She is identified in the article as “a teenage woman”. After that, woman is sufficient for the purposes of the story & the events as reported. She was enuf of a woman for a sleazebag young man to want to have it off with her.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              If he did. There seems no suggestion that there was an attempted rape.

              Why not just call her a teenager?

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              It’s in the hands of the constabulary now.

              Meantime, “Newsroom has been told the National Party has suspended the Young Nats man involved, barring him from any further events. Another organisation has also blacklisted him from future gatherings.”

              So it seems the notion it may have been molestation is well-entrenched even with the Nats. Let’s just see where things go. When it was Labour it went viral among the Nat supporters and media.

  2. Ray

     /  November 27, 2018

    Surely Act use a telephone booth, plenty of room for “misunderstandings” in that area!

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    • Gezza

       /  November 27, 2018

      Do you still have telephone booths up your way. Can’t remember the last time I saw one down here in either The Rua or Welly (mind you I stay out of Welly – The Rua town centre has fee parking, ample room, easy access to all the shops and movie theatres, cafes etc. Beats Welly hands down in those respects. And Tawa township’s becoming a vibrant little village again with bars and eateries being well-attended by the bourgeoisie – although Main Road traffic flow is getting botheringly denser.

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    • Bill Brown

       /  November 27, 2018

      @Ray 😂 a crisis at Act HQ. Inappropriate behaviour by one man.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 27, 2018

        Ray, that ‘joke’ is so old that it has a grey beard longer than Robert’s. It was feeble when it was new (about the time that phone booths were invented) and it’s pathetically feeble now.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 27, 2018

          Hamilton has free parking for two hours in the CBD, but they know (how???) if you move to another one.

          The malls that give free parking if you spend $? are good. You might as well buy something as pay that money for parking.

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          • Gerrit

             /  November 27, 2018

            At Auckland Airport they have a car fitted with license plate reading camera’s that drive around the 2 hour free parking areas. I suppose the plates numbers are entered into a database and when the camera car spots the same plate in the same free parking area (even if you have shifted it) the software will issue a ticket.

            Not sure how they record if you went away and came back but it does the circuit every 1/2 hour or so and possibly picks up the gap you were away.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              Mean buggers.

              I did laugh when a meter maid gave someone a ticket for parking on a bus stop….and the driver went across the road and parked on another one. The meter maid crossed the road, too, and gave them another one.

              The meanest thing in parks would have to be cancelling the money as soon as the person leaves, so that if they pay for an hour and use 20 minutes nobody else can have the 40 minutes. I have never grudged anyone having a free park; I have had a few myself. It’s like a little present.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              Who doesn’t like free parking ? Mean git.

  3. PDB

     /  November 27, 2018

    PG: “This sounds alarmingly similar to the Young Labour incident (that is still before the court).”

    Situation is totally different to the Labour attempted cover up, not only in how it was addressed but in the fact the alleged incident/s did not actually happen at the party event itself but in a private setting outside party control. MPs being at the bar means nothing unless the MSM is suggesting that those MP’s should follow everybody who leaves the bar to ensure nothing untoward occurs.

    Sounds like a Newsroom beat-up to try and pin National for something similar to Labour’s fiasco.

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  4. Trevors_elbow

     /  November 27, 2018

    It’s with the Police. No cover up by National. Happened at a non National event… as the story says at a private residence…

    Bet this gets to court much quicker and the individuals face gets plastered all over the media super quick…

    Labour covered up…Nats haven’t… similar not the same….

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 27, 2018

      Victim blaming on kiwiblog
      I would almost lay money on this being a set-up. Where was this young female (won’t say lady) from, and what was her background . . . sounds like the little girl who whinged about JK pulling her hair. Did she not turn out to be an active Labour Party member.
      This crap abhors me!

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  5. Griff.

     /  November 27, 2018

    As far as I know
    Labour asked the abused if they wanted to take it further inform parents etc .
    The victims said no.
    Not informing others would be within the professional guidelines for a incident of this type according to the code of conduct of a qualified NZ councilor. http://www.nzac.org.nz/code_of_ethics.cfm
    It was only after the affair was released to the public that any further action eventuated .
    The one at fault is the person who released such private information .

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 27, 2018

      That is the Labour spin, but the “abused” disagree with this version of events, saying they were only offered any help at all after the media got hold of the story.
      Labour said the victims were told they could go to the police. The victims say that was not made clear to them at all.
      Labour said they offered support. The victims said support was offered only once media attention began. Support was only “in-house”.
      There was no outside consultation as Kirton decided he knew best.
      The report they commissioned came up with a “number or recommendations” as to how things could have been done better.

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  6. Zedd

     /  November 27, 2018

    It was a ‘national disgrace’ when it was young Labour, who were involved in this type of ‘behaviour’ BUT hey this is the Young-Nats.. just brush it under the carpet & move on; Nothing to see here !!?

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 27, 2018

      National party radio ZB,has swept it under the carpet,not a whiff of it on talkback its as if nothing happened

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      • PDB

         /  November 27, 2018

        Not a ‘whiff’ of you two understanding that it is nothing similar to the Labour party youth camp saga either – no surprises there!

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        • Gezza

           /  November 27, 2018

          This one sounds worse actually. The Labour camp offender sounded like a pissed perv. The Nat one sounds like a predator.

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          • PDB

             /  November 27, 2018

            If not a more focused one – the Labour one had his hands down the pants of both females and males…

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            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              It’s the being more focused part that makes him worse.

          • Trevors_elbow

             /  November 27, 2018

            So a nasty idiot in his own apartment doing something totally wrong being outed by National and in front of the cops quickly is the same as a Labour residential camp unsupervised party with a perp protected by the Party hierarchy and the Party actively, in my opinion that’s what the victim lead approach was, looking to stop victims going to the cops?….. hmmm ok…

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            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              * The young woman is not a Young Nats member and was a guest at the event
              * a male Young Nats member
              * had told them he was a wealthy political party donor and there were drinks at his place
              * he allegedly grabbed her face, tried to kiss her and keep her from her friends, at one stage pulling her away from them by her wrists. When she got out of the room and left the flat she was pursued across a road and to a fast food outlet’s toilet area as the man allegedly continued to try to grope her
              * She reported the matter to police
              . . . . . . . . .
              * a National Party spokesperson told Newsroom: “We were made aware of an alleged incident that took place at a separate location, after the conclusion of a Young Nationals event last week. The person who brought the issue to our attention gave no further details, or names of those persons involved.

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              Let me know when you come back up for air, Trev.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  November 27, 2018

              * the National Party has suspended the Young Nats man involved, barring him from any further events. Another organisation has also blacklisted him from future gatherings.
              * An MP made aware of the allegations says he called and counselled her and promised any support she might need.
              * “In line with our health and safety policies, we acted quickly to offer any support and advice to the person who raised the issue, and this information was passed onto the alleged victim.”

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              * the National Party has suspended the Young Nats man involved, barring him from any further events. Another organisation has also blacklisted him from future gatherings.

              They were hardly going to select him as the next candidate for Botany.

              * An MP made aware of the allegations says he called and counselled her and promised any support she might need.

              Before or after she went to the police?

              * “In line with our health and safety policies, we acted quickly to offer any support and advice to the person who raised the issue, and this information was passed onto the alleged victim.”

              Who was the person who raised the issue, why did they need support, what use is it to the victim to know the person who raised the issue was getting support and advice and was this before or after she went to the police?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 27, 2018

              I’d say that the person was the supposed victim.

              The story is just too pat, somehow.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  November 27, 2018

              Odd comments Gezza – the MP called when they knew. Based on the story it is highly likely it was after the police were called as no one knew before then.
              “The person” is surely the victim in this matter.
              In other words everything has been done properly as far as I can see. Which is where the difference lies.

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              Labour made a total fuckup of the Labour camp shambles but we know stuff all about what actually happened in detail – everything seems to have been second hand reporting. Some young perv or mental defective seems to me to have made a tit of himself reaching down attendees pants – who knows why? Now the Nats seem to have some predatory young sex pest amongst their recruits.

              Where the difference quite possibly lies is that the Nats are now wiser after Labour’s event. If this happened at a Labour do now, I’m sure a similar course of action would be followed immediately. I’m not instantly ascribing great virtue to National because I don’t hate Labour.

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              “In line with our health and safety policies, we acted quickly to offer any support and advice to the person who raised the issue, and this information was passed onto the alleged victim.”

              I just had a bit of fun with that one. I’m guessing what it meant was that the Party immediately asked the person who raised the issue to offer their support and any advice to the victim. But that’s not what that says.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 27, 2018

        I don’t listen to talkback, Lurch, but does it normally discuss allegations under police investigation? How would anyone know the facts to make sensible comments when not even the names of those involved are public?

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        • Gezza

           /  November 27, 2018

          Do we know who the offender at the Labour Party camp was yet?

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          • Gezza

             /  November 27, 2018

            Or the victims?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 27, 2018

              We know the names of those who covered it up and that was the issue.

            • Gezza

               /  November 27, 2018

              It was for you and other Labour party haters. It was and remains only part of the issue for me. Who at least the offenders are and whether they get identified and penalised or exonerated is also of interest to me. Keeping inappropriate behaviour under wraps & in house if possible as long as possible is something the Nats have got form for too. They knew they’d be fools to try it this time – with anti-National Newshub and other media muck-rakers on the endless hunt for scandal and dirt.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  November 27, 2018

    Larry(drool X traffic cop) hasnt said a thing as usual,the national sex fiend incident never happened on NZME ZB its as if nothing happened, NewstalkZB a good source of National party coverups

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 27, 2018

      They can’t have everything that’s happened nationwide on the news. 1 and 3 have different stories.

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    • PDB

       /  November 27, 2018

      First reported by Newstalk ZB on their website at 10.02am: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/inappropriate-touching-police-investigate-incident-after-young-nats-event/

      I’m also a little surprised they haven’t discussed it on air, said what a great job National did in dealing with the situation (especially as it happened in a private residence) and then compared it to Labour’s cover up of the Labour party youth camp offender – is that what you’re complaining about?

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      • Gezza

         /  November 27, 2018

        It came up on 1ewes, brief details, police investigating. Simon said it was “regrettable”.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 27, 2018

        Thing is, the offender at the Labour Party youth jamboree wasn’t even a member of the Labour Party – whereas this young sleazebag is a Young National member. What kind of people are they recruiting. Big noters? Bullshitters? Young chaps aiming to get young women drunk and bail them up to do who knows what? How do these people get into the Young Nats?

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  November 27, 2018

          There were many rumours that the offender in the Labour incident was closely related to the party – have you heard otherwise?
          You see in this incident, all the information is out in the open immediately. That Labour Youth Camp one…well a lot has been left unsaid.
          As as to who they “recruit”, I think with young political party subs it is more a case of you pay the fee and you are a member

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          • Gezza

             /  November 27, 2018

            There were many rumours that the offender in the Labour incident was closely related to the party – have you heard otherwise?

            Nope I haven’t even heard those rumours. Haven’t seen any news articles or items saying that. Links to any would be good?

            I don’t usually pay much attention to rumours – unless the Police Commissioner comes out, out of the blue, and says they’re not true. Then I get interested, naturally.

            Who started those rumours and who is pushing them around? Any idea?

            You see in this incident, all the information is out in the open immediately.
            Do you think so? We’ll see.

            That Labour Youth Camp one…well a lot has been left unsaid.
            I don’t know if anybody can safely say any more until the police have finished their investigation. Have they finished? Has there been any prosecution. Must admit it’s fallen off my radar in all the excitement about the other bits of spin and bs and disasters Jacs and co & Winston & co & Simon & co have had buzzing about these past few months.

            As as to who they “recruit”, I think with young political party subs it is more a case of you pay the fee and you are a member
            Maybe a police & SIS check should be introduced before the party card is issued. You think maybe it’s also time to start vetting people who are rumoured to be “related to parties” before allowing them to come to Youth Branch hooleys?

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  8. robertguyton

     /  November 27, 2018

    Hello? Hello?

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  9. robertguyton

     /  November 27, 2018

    Ummm..hello??

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    • Gezza

       /  November 27, 2018

      Loose connection?

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 27, 2018

        Yes, hello, I’m ringing about this icky Young Nat stuff but there seems to be a lot of static hypocricy on the line… crackle, crackle, cackle, cackle…

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  November 27, 2018

          From lefties trying in vain to find some kind of moral equivalence? Yes I noticed that too. It’s disgraceful, and I’m glad you were the one to bring it up!

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        • Gezza

           /  November 27, 2018

          You’ve posted another edit before completing the job and accepting it, robert.

          The word is hypocrisy.

          We’re all living in a hypocracy. Surely you must have noticed before now? Labour, National, NZF, Greens, Conservatives, you name it, they’ve all long ago mastered hypocrisy.

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  10. Mother

     /  November 27, 2018

    True/real/completely victimised victims are usually very quiet about the situation, until it’s too late for anyone to take them seriously. I doubt this will ever be any different. But we can keep trying of course. We should keep trying.

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    • Mother

       /  November 27, 2018

      Oops. I should qualify that. I’m thinking of familial and social settings with that comment.

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