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27 November 2018

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  1. robertguyton

     /  November 27, 2018

    “National leader Simon Bridges discussed a cull of members of his caucus in a recorded conversation with Jami-Lee Ross, saying West Coast-based list MP Maureen Pugh was “f…ing useless”.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107920843/simon-bridges-describes-mp-colleague-as-fing-useless-in-recorded-conversation?rm=m

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  2. robertguyton

     /  November 27, 2018

    “It’s a reasonable bet that when Simon Bridges took on the job as leader in February he didn’t expect it would mostly involve wall-to-wall disaster management of National’s problems that would overshadow his attempts to harass the coalition government for its failings.”

    https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/simon-bridges-9-months-of-disaster-management/

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  3. robertguyton

     /  November 27, 2018

    “At a guess, you’ll have noticed the following more than just once: As soon as an article about climate change gets published on the internet, it usually doesn’t take long for comments voicing doubt or outright denying that it’s human-caused to appear. Even though there’s an overwhelming consensus of well over 90 percent in scientific publications and among climate scientists that the current climate change is human-caused, you can easily get quite a different impression from what gets posted on the net.”

    https://skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=4312

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    • Griff.

       /  November 27, 2018

      Obvously – and as we keep pointing out – the consensus isn’t proof of human-caused climate change. Instead, the consensus has emerged from the evidence collected and analysed for over 150 years by thousands of climate scientists around the globe. The evidence and results fit together like many pieces of a large puzzle coming together and falling in place to create a coherent picture. You’ll however often be hard pressed to find this conensus on the internet. This is when knowing the five characteristics of science denial comes in handy to better understand and evaluate comments posted with an obvious dismissive slant. They can be summarised by the acronym FLICC:

      Fake experts
      Logical Fallacies
      Impossible expectations
      Cherry Picking
      Conspiracy theories
      https://skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=4312

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 27, 2018

      The climate has always changed so obviously there are natural causes alongside human ones. Extreme positions on one side of the debate provoke opposite extremes.

      Scientific articles on climate change are full of “may” and “could” speculations because of the complexities and uncertainties involved. The media feed off scaremongering and so do scientists campaigning for funding which makes an unholy alliance between them. The Left who hate capitalism join in as they see it as a tool to take capitalism down and impose more controls on the individual.

      Not a pretty sight.

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      • Griff.

         /  November 27, 2018

        Logical Fallacies

        The climate has always changed so obviously there are natural causes alongside human ones

        Natural causes for climate change are either negative or irrelevant on time scales involved in the present warming.

        Impossible expectations

        Scientific articles on climate change are full of “may” and “could” speculations because of the complexities and uncertainties involved.

        Science is about probability not proof.

        Conspiracy theories

        The media feed off scaremongering and so do scientists campaigning for funding which makes an unholy alliance between them. The Left who hate capitalism join in as they see it as a tool to take capitalism down and impose more controls on the individual.

        Most scientists get funded any way .
        They dont get the money from research grants almost all goes on the costs of research.
        The left are engaged with what the research shows many on the right instead just deny because of the obvious effects on their free market at all costs ideology.

        QED.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 27, 2018

          No research funding = no job or tenure.

          There have been significant climate changes over the past 1000 years due to natural causes and obviously volcanic eruptions are an example that refutes Griff’s assertion about timescale.

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          • Griff.

             /  November 27, 2018

            1000 years Alan?
            Non sequitur.
            We are talking about the last 150 years .

            Note the trend from natural causes was towards long term cooling.

            As to your whacko conspiracy nonsense.
            Thousands of scientists all involved in a massive conspiracy.
            A few outliers, like your Dr Roy, paid members of right wing think tanks are somehow not influenced by their funding?

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  4. Gezza

     /  November 27, 2018


    File photo of police at Wellington’s Pride Parade.

    Farkinell. This shit-fight is still splattering on:

    Labour MP Louisa Wall has said that people who don’t support transgender rights shouldn’t be in the Pride parade.
    then
    “Maybe there was another uniform they could’ve worn, a ceremonial uniform,” Ms Wall said.
    then
    Asked if she’d want Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to go to the parade next year she said: “Why wouldn’t I?” “I want everybody to go. I want our corporate sector to go.”
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/376894/louisa-wall-explains-terf-comment-suggests-police-wear-ceremonial-uniform

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/376544/pride-parade-on-edge-of-collapsing-founder

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/376648/pride-parade-lgbtqi-people-will-be-the-ones-left-to-march

    Time for all the Party Leaders to front up and say where they stand on the police marching in uniform and on Louisa Wall’s comments, maybe. Where does the Minister of Police stand on this?

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    • Gezza

       /  November 27, 2018

      PS: For anyone else struggling like me to keep up with all the letters getting continually added to these:

      LGBTIQ: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex and Questioning.

      They’ve probably missed someone important.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 27, 2018

        And: Questioning (sexuality and gender) The questioning of one’s gender, sexual identity, sexual orientation, or all three is a process of exploration by people who may be unsure, still exploring, and concerned about applying a social label to themselves for various reasons.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 27, 2018

        And: Intersex people are born with sex characteristics, such as genitals, gonads, and chromosome patterns that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, “do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies”.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 27, 2018

          So now, if you go to participate in or watch this parade, it means you are anti-police and you support them being booted out of it. Doesn’t it?

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  November 27, 2018

    So David Seymour thinks theres 5 million taxpayers in NZ and after his little hissy fit at the end of his retort towards the speaker what value is David Seymour to the house and NZ…

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  6. Gezza

     /  November 27, 2018

    I had to reboot Chrome. It’s going wonky. A new icon appeared where the 3 vertical dots with options usually is, and the first option was to “update Google Chrome”. It’s disappeared but I suppose it’ll reappear and I’ll have to do the update. I wonder what the bastards will be tracking with this new version and how many WTF??s I’ll experience.

    I blame the Russians.

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  7. Gezza

     /  November 27, 2018

    NZTA: Review shows major failures by NZTA to ensure WOF certifications comply with requirements.

    Disgraceful failures following review, says Phil

    Support the Minister. NZTA board’s fault, says Paul

    Support the Minister. Nine years of egregious neglect by National, says Shane

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