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30 November 2018

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  1. Gezza

     /  November 30, 2018

    I was just listening to a bit of Mike Hosking on NewStalkZB and an ad came on for I Heart Radio.

    It made me realise how much the English language is changing and the new way in which some English words are acquiring new meanings through common usage.

    The phrase “I heart you” (or “I heart” something or other) is becoming very common, even in speech, especially among the young. It comes from the heart emoticon that is in such ubiquitous use in written electronic communications these days.

    There’s a whole generation for whom the word “heart” now has a common definition as a synonym for “love”.

    i wonder how long it will be before that definition is added to the word “heart” in dictionaries.

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    • VERB
      [WITH OBJECT]
      informal
      Like very much; love.

      ‘I totally heart this song’

      https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/heart

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 30, 2018

      Spare me. Let’s hope it will go the way of other fad words.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 30, 2018

        The heart icon I suspect will never die. And its gender non-specific too.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 30, 2018

          No, but the word will, I hope, go the way of such things when everyone’s tired of it. Who says ‘out of sight’ now (except literally) ?

          Q; when did that make its first appearance ?

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          • Gezza

             /  November 30, 2018

            Probably Woodstock or thereabouts.

            What’s the comms icon for “out of sight”?

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            • Gezza

               /  November 30, 2018

              “Far out” is one of my old faves. Still has lot wider acceptance when expressing surprise during conversations in polite circles than “Fuck Me! “

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 1, 2018

              No. LM Montgomery says in one of her journals, about 1890, that the girls where she was staying admired her new dress (or some article of clothing) and said that it was ‘out of sight’. This expression was new to her and was a surprise to me, as I had imagined it to be from the 1960s !

              The icon ?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 30, 2018

      There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach yer about the raising of the wrist.

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  3. There is a lot of buzz on twitter about this following a Rachel Stewart opinion piece in the Herald.

    I’ll put together a post on it if I get time, maybe in the weekend.

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  4. duperez

     /  November 30, 2018

    Fairly distressing to suddenly realise when you’ve spent so much of your life body and mind snatching, that it’s happening to you.

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  5. Mother

     /  November 30, 2018

    Thanks for that suggestion Kitty. I have a need to share my experiences. It is a part of the healing process. I don’t need pity. Just the opportunity for free speech, which the PCANZ (Presbyterians) stripped away.

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    • Mother

       /  November 30, 2018

      When the wayward person is the pastor, and he is a faux martyr, and the leaders are hopeless…..very difficult.

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      • Mother

         /  November 30, 2018

        The pastor’s (Cr) daughters falsely accused a man. Grossly. D1 had religious ‘dreams and visions’. She was training with YWAM (a missionary organisation with a tendency to indoctrinate youth). Police couldn’t prosecute on that one vague allegation. D2 lied with a way out strange story. Police were trapped. The girls’ parents supported them of course, no matter that the community was hurting, and the man was treated as guilty before innocent. Cr stayed in his job, controlling the narrative.

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        • Mother

           /  November 30, 2018

          Cr’s superior dived in, meddling with police process and generally making a bigger deal of what was already a huge issue for community. This was right up his alley. He, a past national moderator, has a reputation as a harasser of women.

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          • Mother

             /  November 30, 2018

            That last comment might seem irrelevant, but here’s where the saga included me, against my will.

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            • Mother

               /  November 30, 2018

              To be continued.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 30, 2018

              Men in churches have to be absurdly careful. I have spoken before about the Orthodox priest who went to prison for things that he couldn’t have done (hint; if he’s in the US, he couldn’t have been molesting two boys in Canada) And I also find it hard to believe that he pranced around in the nude all day, unnoticed by anyone else, in the clergy house/church office.

            • Gezza

               /  November 30, 2018

              This could well become a gripping read, especially as it’s now being serialised.

    • Mother

       /  November 30, 2018

      Men should not have to be so absurdly careful. I would like to see them free to be their masculine selves. I would have been very happy for a masculine champion in my church situation. In life generally, men and women each should be respectful and self controlled. I like Jordan Peterson’s (Canadian) bold line of questioning while we search for the answer as to ‘how can men and women work together?’ He’s a straight thinker, and clearly compassionate.

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  6. duperez

     /  November 30, 2018

    The Otago University Law camps review is out.

    There was no evidence of criminality, “But it was clear from speaking with the witnesses that, for at least some students who have attended Law Camps, it was a deeply disturbing and unpleasant experience,” the review concluded.

    Some of the former students interviewed found the events “disturbing”, while others enjoyed the annual festivities. If the sexual cavorting is off the agenda and some are deeply disturbed by that and so find the camp an unpleasant experience, what happens?

    What if the new version has peer pressure to partake in the new activities, with the rejection of the past ones, which “leave some students feeling excluded and uncomfortable”?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/109005694/sexualised-otago-uni-events-disturbing-and-unpleasant-review-finds

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    • Mother

       /  November 30, 2018

      I think that there is no end to the working out of new systems to combat sexual harassment and the frustration only grows. New problem – it’s unique (of course! Every difficult situation with people in it is going to be unique) – and so this person who is left traumatised, doesn’t fit within ‘the system’. OK then, make that person be quiet. Tell that person to get over it. Then get back on the bandwagon to work it out/tweak it/create a new system, so it ‘never happens again.’ Frustration grows within communities. There are answers but those in power, or the pen pushers, make their living out of this. Do they care?

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  7. Zedd

     /  November 30, 2018

    time to go… Dr Who is about to start (TV2)

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