“The criticism of migration will be a criminal offense”

The European Parliament wants to extend the definition of ‘hate speech’ to include criticism of immigration, making it illegal. Media that publishes criticism of migration could be shut down.

From the video clip:

…one basic element of this new agreement is the extension of the definition of hate speech.

The agreement want to criminalise migration speech.

Criticism of migration will become a criminal offence, and media outlets…that give room to criticism of migration can be shut down.

The compacts for migration is legalisation of mass migration.

I can imagine that being quite controversial.

If it becomes law it would depend a lot on what the legal definition of “criticism of migration” is, but on the surface this is an alarming move towards legal limitation of speech.

 

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  1. The Consultant

     /  December 1, 2018

    And then people wonder why Brexit happened, and why there’s a low-level Cold War going on between the EU and Greece, Italy, Poland, et al.

    Fascism is always descending on America but somehow always lands on Europe.

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  2. sorethumb

     /  December 1, 2018

    Give them enough rope and they will …………………………

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  3. sorethumb

     /  December 1, 2018

    But, as a recent NZ Herald editorial noted, Southern and Molyneux’s views are easily accessed online and not all “have a right to room on other platforms that try to serve the public interest”.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503459&objectid=12101943

    Vs I believe the ordinary working people 08:55 have a greater collective wisdom than 08:57 bureaucrats and technocrats

    11:57

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  4. artcroft

     /  December 1, 2018

    This relates to this UN document due to be signed by signatory nations in Morocco https://undocs.org/A/CONF.231/3

    Relevant section: 17
    Promote independent, objective and quality reporting of media outlets, including Internet-based information, including by sensitizing and educating media professionals on migration-related issues and terminology, investing in ethical reporting standards and advertising, and stopping allocation of public funding or material support to media outlets that systematically promote intolerance, xenophobia, racism and other forms of discrimination towards migrants, in full respect for the freedom of the media;

    Make of that what you will.

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    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  December 1, 2018

      Goebbels would be very proud of that section…. its a propagandists dream. Full power to dictate what can and cannot be said.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 1, 2018

        I don’t see it that way; all that will really happen is that the public won’t have to fund hate speech. It’s not at all the way that the critics have made it sound.

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        • sorethumb

           /  December 1, 2018

          For crying out loud, who defines hate speech?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 1, 2018

            Anyone with any sense will, I think. It’s obvious what’s criticism and what’s hate speech.

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            • Marc

               /  December 3, 2018

              Mental beyond belief

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 3, 2018

              Poor you, but there is excellent treatment for that now. Full marks to you for admitting that you are ‘mental beyond belief’. This may explain your troll-like rudeness and arrogance towards a stranger. Make an appointment with a GP first thing in the morning.

            • Gezza

               /  December 3, 2018

              She wins on that one, Marc. Remember that anything you do say can and will be used against you. Think carefully.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 3, 2018

              That last sentence is a case of hope springing eternal in the human breast, alas,

        • Missy

           /  December 1, 2018

          You are either naive or ignorant if you believe that Kitty.

          The UK has laws already around hate speech, and all it takes is for someone to perceive something as hate speech for the police to investigate. A Cabinet Minister was reported and given a police warning for hate speech, for doing her job and talking about immigration controls post Brexit. A woman in Oxford was given a police warning for hate speech for tooting at someone taking too long at the petrol pump because the person she tooted at was black. This is where these types of laws end up, ordinary people doing their job, or just doing what most people do, being reported and put on a list for hate speech.

          The EU will use this to 1. control the media and the message and 2. stop criticism of Freedom of Movement and their problems controlling the illegal immigration. It is about stopping media & interest groups talking about immigration controls, that is what this sentence will lead to: ‘Criticism of migration will become a criminal offence, and media outlets…that give room to criticism of migration can be shut down.’

          The EU are already looking at introducing internet laws that would mean memes would be banned, as well as banning what they define as fake news. Interestingly most of which the EU claims to be fake news is news from right leaning media outlets that criticises the EU. They have stopped any media outlet reporting on their expenses, and other matters relating to EU business unless it is what they want released, and are trying to get what they think are far right groups banned, the problem is that they

          The problem with the EU is that they are starting to lose popular support in member states, and they are acting as if they think other members will follow the UK out of the EU, they are appearing to be desperately trying to hold onto control and keep the Union together and this is starting to manifest in more authoritarian behaviour by the leaders and commissioners (civil servants).

          If this was to be introduced it is the middle of the wedge heading towards total information control by any Government that brings it in.

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          • Missy

             /  December 1, 2018

            I have looked a bit further, this is from a press conference in October where they discussed the UN Global Compact on Migration which the EU council are being recommended to adopt. Only about 4 or 5 EU countries will not sign up to it, and when it goes to the EU Parliament for a vote on adopting it into EU law it will be a qualified majority with no veto, meaning the UN Global Compact will be adopted into EU law. When seen in conjunction with other laws the EU has introduced – especially around hate speech on the internet and in print media, this is a chilling development.

            This is something that can be abused as it is very subjective as to what is hate speech and what is genuine criticism, so many call criticism hate speech, and as I said above a Cabinet Minister doing her job can be given a police warning for hate speech under these types of laws. This is heading slowly towards thought crimes.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 2, 2018

            Please stop calling me naive and ignorant, as you seem to do every time you answer anything of mine.

            It’s incredibly rude and patronising. I am neither, and it’s very insulting to say this as a reflex.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 2, 2018

            Unless the horn was speaking, I fail to see how it could be considered hate speech. Either there is more to this story or it’s an invention. There is nothng about it online.

            I am not naive or ignorant enough to believe everything I read in the paper or on Twitter,

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            • Marc

               /  December 3, 2018

              You haven’t looked very hard then it’s there google Buckinghamshire women quizzed by police for hate crime.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 3, 2018

              When I lived in England, Oxford, which is where we were told this happened, was in Oxfordshire, and we were also told that it was hate speech. I looked it up, but nothing came up because I looked for Oxford.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 3, 2018

              I did ggogle it, now that I know where it happened, and it was one woman, not women, and was classed by the police as an ‘incident’ not hate speech or hate crime. Ergo no charges. It seemed bizarre that a tooting horn could be classed as speech, and it wasn’t. It’s been blown up out of all proportion.

  5. david in aus

     /  December 1, 2018

    Next, they will deem negative comments against EU politicians as Hate Speech. The EU is slowly becoming the United Socialist States of the EU.
    Hate Speech legislation will smother free speech and eventually any speech the ruler does not like. Definitely the thin-edge-of-the-wedge.

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    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  December 1, 2018

      Tusk is already at that point….

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    • Missy

       /  December 1, 2018

      They are already taking steps to try and criminalise criticism of anything to do with the EU as hate speech.

      David, I would disagree that it is the thin edge of the wedge, I think we have moved past the thin edge to the middle of that wedge!

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  December 1, 2018

    I would rather Aotearoa New Zealand acted independently about this sort of *shite* … If such a thing is possible? Do all our influences still have to come from overseas? Like migrants …?

    For argument’s sake, if we’d been forewarned that the rise of Nazism would largely depend on antisemitism, would we perhaps have set some parameters around ‘hate speech’ against Jews?

    Migrant as ‘enemy’ … Our new enemy in the rise of Neofascism?

    Why does Kaya Jones – whoever she is – say, “Insane & this is what people want to bring here?”

    She means the United States eh?

    But I guess scaremongering is scaremongering if you have Five Eyes?

    Something about a law like this one always needs to ask is: How will this be policed?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 1, 2018

      Hate speech against migrants, of the kind that a former YNZ person spouted is one thing, when it presents them all as terrorist fanatics if they happen to be Muslim and so on, but surely mild criticism (‘there are problems with housing’) is not in the same league.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  December 1, 2018

        Funny how the Left use any small risk to advocate for limiting freedom but here want complaints about migrant risks suppressed.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  December 1, 2018

        Agreed Miss Kitty, it may not be in the same league. “Mild criticism” may also not be subject to Hate Speech laws or the kind of legislation the EU are proposing?

        And Alan, complaints about migrant risks – with their attendant risk of incitement to derision, abuse and violence against migrants – may be a greater risk to public safety than the migrants themselves are?

        This may be legislation based on comprehensive risk assessment? I think it more likely than just Lefty muscle flexing …

        If we want globalization to continue we know one thing: The migration is here to stay along with it.

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    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  December 1, 2018

      No Partizan, the type of thinking in your statement, hereafter quoted is just plain wrong “Something about a law like this one always needs to ask is: How will this be policed?”

      What needs asking is why do you need a law like that at all? And the straight answer is you don’t need a law like that.

      The section quoted by Artie is plain and simple dictatorship of Right Thought. Its Orwellian and unnecessary.

      And its that type of law that makes freedom loving Englishmen want to get out of the EU

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 1, 2018

        I wonder if this story is really true or someone’s invention (or distortion of the truth) as I can find nothing about it anywhere but here.

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        • Missy

           /  December 1, 2018

          This video is from a press conference held by the EU Parliament in October. They were talking about the UN Global Compact of migration which most EU member states will be signing up to. This Global Compact will look at legalising mass migration, but also (looking at this wording) will also extend hate speech to include criticism of migration.

          The EU supports this Global Compact, and will introduce it into EU Law, this will be done by qualified majority not with a veto, which means it will pass as only 4 or 5 EU countries will not support it.

          This is not an invention, it is at worst taken out of full context, but if the EU (as they indicate) will accept this Global Compact in its current form and therefore criminalise criticism of migration it is further erosion of rights of the individual in the EU, and further suppression of free speech. The EU do it slowly and with very little media attention, only those that follow the EU closely will be aware of what is planned.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  December 2, 2018

        Trevors Elbow – “Why do we need a law like this at all?”

        In an ideal world where all self-interest was rational perhaps we wouldn’t …

        But it is clearly evident that all self-interest isn’t rational, and that some people don’t just want freedom of speech, they want the freedom to speak their hate speech …

        I don’t care who they are, Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Rightie or Leftie, there is a point where free speech (like freedom) must be governed by some collective sense of responsibility … perhaps “harm to self or others” … and “harm” is really a risk assessment …

        Interesting to hear that you consider 48% of your fellow Englishmen not to be freedom loving.

        What are they instead?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  December 2, 2018

          Socialists hate freedom, PZ. They are on a mission to eradicate it.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  December 2, 2018

            And capitalists hate responsibility Alan. They’re on a mission to eradicate it and anything that gets in their way en-route to making more dollars … things like the environment …

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 2, 2018

              If you want to see environmental destruction you need to find places where capitalism was impossible.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 2, 2018

              No I don’t … I see it all around me here in Aotearoa New Zealand where capitalism was ‘somewhat mitigated’ at best and ‘downright feral’ at worst …

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 2, 2018

              Really? You have led a sheltered life.

          • Blazer

             /  December 2, 2018

            ‘Socialists hate freedom, ‘…yes and they and anyone else need to be carpet bombed and invaded for freedom and democracy to be…accepted.

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        • Trevors_Elbow

           /  December 2, 2018

          The counter to hate speech is rational free speech in return. It is not empowering the Donald Tusk’s and Jean-Claude Junckers of this world to dictate what is acceptable and what is not when discussing immigration policies in Europe.

          Europe already has laws similar to NZ’s about inciting violence.

          But this law as proposed in the paragraph Artie quoted above is firmly directed at shutting down people like Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage etc. Its obviously not ok to advocate for nationalism and love of country …. but especially when careerist, power hungry leftists like Juncker and Tusk are around

          You, being an authoritarian of the left variety obviously, see no problems with their approach….“Something about a law like this one always needs to ask is: How will this be policed?” Seriously invite the totalitarian in with a law ‘like this one” and they will use it as a cudgel to silence all opposition…

          Give a bureaucrat power and they will use it for their best interests and for their onjectives regardless what the people may wnat

          And being the globalist, leftist that you are Partizan, I don’t find it surprising you welcome unrestricted immigration into Europe… after all European culture is imperialist and capitalist so therefore must be destroyed… Tito would be very proud of you…

          Truly my estimation of you drops every time you make comments like this “Something about a law like this one always needs to ask is: How will this be policed?” just really how can you think it is in anyway necessary or in any way a good thing???

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  December 1, 2018

    This redneck republican HATES immigration and is not shy pointing it out
    blob:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/4c179384-9793-4215-b8d2-3502a91d4136

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  8. The Consultant

     /  December 1, 2018

    Here’s another guy hating on illegal immigrants, and this one’s an actual Arkansas redneck.

    Never mind, a few years later a really nice “Liberal” from Chicago spoke up on this as well.

    Probably why his Border Patrol hit so many of them with tear gas and pepper spray.

    Not that Lefties in the US or around the world noticed.

    BTW Lurcher – just because you’re 80 years old that’s no excuse to provide a 404 link.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  December 1, 2018

      A,ageism,you lost the argument then tosser
      B,I’m been rather sick in bed for several days and didnt fixed the link problem
      C Do you think i give stuff about you and I’m 69 yo,pimple face for your info

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  9. The Consultant

     /  December 1, 2018

    69?
    Jesus – so you have even less of an excuse for such a fail. Typical; as befits my kindly Right-wing nature I was cutting a Leftist too much of a break.

    Ageism? Hahahahah – as if that sort of abuse ever concerns Leftist’s when they’re dishing it out: I’m an “ism” victim, wah, wah, wah

    Never mind. A good afternoon nap, filled with dreams where Norm Kirk never karks it and Roger Douglas does, will see you restored to good mental health.

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  10. Geo

     /  December 7, 2018

    Jews

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  11. Wilhelm Leo

     /  December 16, 2018

    Thank you for a good article , well documented by the video.
    Just that the EU are willing to include this into the “human rights” as a law , and present this idea on a press conference in Europe in 2018, seems totally mad.
    In clear terms this would be the beginning to make critic of EU politics a criminal offence!

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