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  1. lurcher1948

     /  December 4, 2018

    Just watched the DPM Winston Peter speak on both 3 and 1.Winston is such a clear straight speaker answering every question thrown at him unlike croaky mumbling Simon Bridges who if you can understand him seems to be talking from a script.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 4, 2018

      Is this a new Winston you’ve found, Lurch, replacing the one who never gave a straight answer to any question?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  December 4, 2018

        8 more years Alan,lifes good isn’t it with Jacinda steering the ship

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    • Gezza

       /  December 4, 2018

      I didn’t see it. Winston can sometimes be a clear communicator.

      Bridges’ problem is he doesn’t know when to shut up. Although he tries to be careful & precise (former prosecutor) he often says too much – and with an accent like his, and tv1 and tv3 constantly gunning for him, he gives them too much opportunity to cherry pick remarks that make him look stupid – like they used to do with Andrew Little.

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    • Gezza

       /  December 4, 2018

      Lurch, hey neighbour – if you’re still upright, just letting you know I’m heading off to have a shufti at anything that looks vaguely interesting in Question Time today on YouTube.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 4, 2018

        QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS

        Question No. 1—Prime Minister
        1. Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition—National) to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her Government’s statements and actions?

        Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister) on behalf of the Prime Minister: Yes.

        Hon Simon Bridges: Is it a new fashion for the Prime Minister to neither do morning media or come to Parliament?

        SPEAKER: Order! Order!

        Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: I can answer that question. I’m an expert on it.

        SPEAKER: Well, the—

        Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: I am—I know.

        SPEAKER: The Prime Minister might want to answer the question; I’m just trying to work through in my head whether there is ministerial responsibility to the House for it. I’m going to rule that there is, but I’m watching the tone very carefully.

        ——–

        Off to a good start. Hansard will never capture the slowness of that last bit & the hilarious expression on Speaker Trev’s face as he says it. You can see he was internalising a really complicated situation in his head. 😀

        I’ll watch more. See where it goes… 👍

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        • Gezza

           /  December 4, 2018


          Hon Simon Bridges: She didn’t come last week, either.
          Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: —was followed by a lunch with respect to the Prime Minister.
          Hon Simon Bridges: Why couldn’t she be here?
          Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: Now, that said—
          Hon Grant Robertson: No, he doesn’t care about our relationship with Korea.
          Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: That said, the difference is—
          Hon Simon Bridges: She didn’t—she almost didn’t go.
          SPEAKER: Order! Order!
          Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: —there are—
          SPEAKER: No, no. The Deputy Prime Minister will sit down, and the Minister of Finance will just be quiet, as will the Leader of the Opposition. [Interruption] No, frankly it’s very hard to take questions seriously when there’s a barrage of interjection going back and forward.
          Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: The fact is that the Prime Minister has been so impressive in her first year in that role that all of the world leaders are calling her—
          SPEAKER: Order! Order! The member’s answering—
          Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: And what went wrong with that?
          SPEAKER: —for the Prime Minister. He will resume his seat. She would never say anything like that.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 4, 2018

        Well, I just watched the whole of Question 1 Lurchy and I dunno where your head’s at bro. Bridges screwed Ardern and Twyford to the wall over those few hideously expensive “Kiwibuild” mansions at Marfell and Wanaka and Winston’s responses were pure drivel.
        Had you had a few beers before you posted up there?

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  2. Ray

     /  December 4, 2018

    Winston did say it was Xmas when he gave his first straight answer to Guyon ( possibly ever).
    On good behaviour !

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  December 4, 2018

    Running my eyes over today’s Dompost editorial, either proofreading is a lost art or the editor knows something we don’t as he has got Collins on7% and Bridges on 6%… But Jacinda Ardern rules by a country mile righties.

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  4. Gezza

     /  December 4, 2018

    Still running Win7 on the lappy because the graphics card can’t handle Win10. Love to know what the heck they did on the latest update of google Chrome a few days ago. It’s clunky, slow to open, and hangs and needs a tab cancel & new tab opened or a reboot sometimes, just to work properly. Could be a conflict with a Win7 update or a clash with my security suite I guess. Hope they iron out whatever the issue is soon. It’s been my preferred browser for a while now. Mostly good.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  December 4, 2018

      Hell i feel guilty running Win 10 Autumn edition,no problem after update.Laptop HP 1tb intel i7

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      • Gezza

         /  December 4, 2018

        I’ll just upgrade to a whole new system when I need to. I don’t need a lot of computing power but the movie editing programs are hungry for resource and it’s best to close or minimise everything else when booting those up.

        I’ve see I’ve got to do an update of OpenOffice too. Didn’t realise I hadn’t run the installer yet.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 4, 2018

      I can’t reinstall Google Chrome because I go so far and it tells me that it also has apps…for things that I don’t have. I don’t know if it could go on my phone or not. I uninstalled it because it was doing that thing again that there seems to be no cure for, moving itself over to the right so that part of whatever is on screen is hidden and you can’t turn anything off or read a whole page.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  December 4, 2018

    Spare NZ how much punishment do we have to take,Opening question time, Simon Bridges droned and mumbled along over and over and over for 20 minutes on about the bad cheque, his fearful estranged wife and as Winston sad it’s becoming boring(HEAR HEAR). How much does parliament cost per minute to run?? and as the speaker said Bridges and Seymour are starting to become disruptive, cameo from Gerry Brownlee popping up and down like a jack in the box with points of order, i sigh when i hear Bridges say”does the PM stand by all her answers and statements” then proceeds to ask the same questions all over again and again and again.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  December 4, 2018

    I would love social media to really hurt this tow truck company, but then they don’t employ the brightest
    https://t.co/dr56tG7l55

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  December 4, 2018

    National would pull New Zealand out of the UN’s Global Compact on Migration because of its potential to restrict New Zealand’s ability to set its own migration and foreign policy, National Leader Simon Bridges says, plus no new taxes,wage increases, probably banning the teachers union, well ANY union,ANYTHING as long as it gets National back in power, so righties crack the champers you will be back in power in 8 years time with Simon running NZ down again, mouldy hospitals,stuffed roads and rich yanks buying NZ as a bolt hole if Crusher shafts him then it will be FAR WORSE.

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    • Gezza

       /  December 5, 2018

      Actually, I’m starting to think it might not be far worse. The jobs she’s had have very likely come with instructions from higher up the food chain in the past. I’m beginning to think she’s smart enuf to know that being electable means adopting some populist policies & she is a very careful & diplomatic interviewee on telly lately. She may be a better PM prospect with wider appeal & less of a privatiser than we thought.

      Simon’s days are numbered. The best way to find out may be to give her the reigns asap in the New Year.

      I’m going to have a think about who she needs as a deputy. Needs to be a youngish bloke with some clues, who has good diction, is a clear communicator, not a rambler, is smart, organised, & doesn’t sound like a pig inorant ignorant ocker from the outback like Jacinda & Soymin.

      Might watch more closely at Question Time for a candidate, seeing PDB’s been hopeless when I thought he might know the right one. I think we can rule Jami-Lee out. I’ll let you know when I’ve got any hopefuls.

      We need a good, focussed opposition to keep this shambolic lolly-scrambling coalition honest & get them competent, before they blow out the budget with nothing to show for it but two political babies, a Maori cloak at every appearance by Jacinda to distract certain folk prone to being over-impressed by such things (who really need to be looking very closely for genuine, positive, practical, measurable across-the-board improved outcomes for them that match her warm, fuzzy slogans) & more direct & disguised taxes for hard working NZers.

      Time to think of the grandchildren, Lurchy. And she doesn’t have any.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 5, 2018

        * reins (& ignore ‘inorant’ above – pig-ignorant was more what I had in mind). Ta.

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  8. Gezza

     /  December 4, 2018

    One for the Lousia Walls and Lizzy Marvelly’s to chew on:

    Saying she had never seen a case quite like it, a federal judge Monday (Tuesday NZT) sentenced a South Florida man to three years in prison for cross-dressing as a woman and taping himself having sex with at least 80 unsuspecting men to produce internet porn videos.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/109078418/south-florida-man-dressed-as-a-woman-taped-sex-with-80-unsuspecting-men

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 4, 2018

      They must have been very thick men if they failed to notice.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 4, 2018

        I didn’t read it far enuf down to see if any dimensions were mentioned.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 4, 2018

          He wasn’t even a trans woman, he was a porn actor in drag…he must be a good actor indeed, if these blokes were deceived and didn’t notice the, er, obvious difference. Unless they were chosen for their stupidity.

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        • Pink David

           /  December 4, 2018

          Consider that worth 2 upticks…

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          • Gezza

             /  December 4, 2018

            I’m sure I don’t know what you mean, but I appreciate the kind thought. 😐

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    • Blazer

       /  December 5, 2018

      trust you to go for the …smutty story’.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 5, 2018

        What do you mean?

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        • Blazer

           /  December 5, 2018

          um…probably…this…

          ‘Bryan Deneumostier, 33, admitted engaging in sex with 150 men – with just over half unaware of his production of the secret videos, according to his plea agreement. The images were distributed on a Spain-based website, StraightBoyz, that promised gay men videos of real straight men being conned into accepting sex acts, all while blindfolded or wearing blacked-out goggles.’

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          • Gezza

             /  December 5, 2018

            Are you aware of a quite nasty at times topical debate that has been stirring up angry supporters & opponents of the rights & righteousness of various gender benders that has been raging in NZ recently?

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            • Blazer

               /  December 5, 2018

              so what!

            • Gezza

               /  December 5, 2018

              So all you can find in that story to focus on is the most depraved parts?

              Jesus Blazer. God forbid I should ever have to use the men’s loos in some building anywhere if you’ve been in there alone 10 minutes earlier with a marker pen. :/

            • Blazer

               /  December 5, 2018

              ‘So all you can find in that story to focus on is the most depraved parts?’

              Hilarious.

              Its a depraved story..period.
              Well found.

  9. Gezza

     /  December 4, 2018

    Leaked from Beehive Letters:

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