Destiny Church demands access to prisons, Ministers respond

Brian Tamaki and his Destiny Church had a rally at Parliament demanding access to prisons with two programmes they have developed, but Tamaki has been told to go through the normal channels and make a formal application, and Minister of Corrections Kelvin Davis has made pointed response.

RNZ: Destiny Church rallies at Parliament for access to prisons

An estimated 2000 Destiny Church supporters rallied at Parliament this afternoon demanding access to prisons for their rehabilitation programmes, and millions of dollars in funding.

The leader of the church, Brian Tamaki, says his Man Up and Legacy programmes have helped hundreds of people turn their lives around, many of whom have spent years in the criminal justice system.

Man Up’s website describes the 15-week programme as a link to a ‘brotherhood’, which helps men identify and understand issues in their lives, and work through them for a more stable future.

The Corrections Department said it had never received a formal application from Destiny Church to deliver Man Up or Legacy in prisons.

The Justice Minister Andrew Little said the church had also never applied for funding.

“I’m not trying to point the finger of blame here, let’s just understand what it is that the issues are for [Mr Tamaki] and his Man Up programme and let’s see if we can pull something together which helps the government achieve its objectives which is reducing family violence and reducing the number of folks going to prison.”

The Employment Minister Willie Jackson said if the Destiny Church went through the proper channels then they could be able to get into prisons and get the funding they needed.

“I think that’s the problem here is that they actually haven’t gone through a formal process in terms of applications, so let’s see what they come up with.”

Brian Tamaki however appeared unwilling to play ball.

“Go through the channels? Well how come the Prime Minister can assign $30 million without even consulting to the Papua New Guinean Government and they misused it, and they have billions of dollars for pine trees and I’m talking about just a little bit of money for people.”

“I’ve been waiting for 20 years and I’m doing the business without taxpayers’ money.”

I guess tithing is different to taxing.

Kelvin Davis responded:

Tamaki says that not allowing his programmes to be used in prisons is a breach of human rights and a breach of the Treaty of Waitangi. He insists he has applied to have them be used.

 

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  1. Gezza

     /  December 7, 2018

    Tamaki says that not allowing his programmes to be used in prisons is a breach of human rights and a breach of the Treaty of Waitangi. He insists he has applied to have them be used.

    Fair enuf. Where’s the evidence Bish?

    Good response from Minister Davis, I thought.

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    • Gezza

       /  December 7, 2018

      I don’t think Davis is as ineffective a Minister as he’s sometimes been portrayed. He seems to me to be doing a pretty good job in the areas where some common sense and ability to connect with Maori Communities and the prison problem is standing him in good stead.

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  2. Blazer

     /  December 7, 2018

    Tamaki demands access to gummint money….Mrs needs a new ..Birkin.

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    • Gezza

       /  December 7, 2018

      That video first frame. For God’s sake. Mobsters for Christ?

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      • Zedd

         /  December 7, 2018

        IF ‘Bishop’ Tamaki & co. are supposed to be ‘church leaders’.. why do they more look like Hells Angels ?

        Shambolic !

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        • Zedd

           /  December 7, 2018

          .. a line from Bob Dylan (Slow Train) about ‘robbing in the name of religion..’

          many a true word spoken (or sung).. in jest ?

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  4. duperez

     /  December 7, 2018

    They’ve made some sort of submission to the Waitangi Tribunal about not getting what they wanted from some submission they didn’t make to some other group?

    Is that it? I guess it’s the befuddlement that comes from mixing with groups who spend their lives helping old ladies cross streets and making school lunches for kids. 😶

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  December 7, 2018

    ‘Bishop’ Tamaki’s reaction to being invited to “go through the proper channels” says it all IMHO.

    He responds with relativistic obfuscation and diversion to the effect, “Well if the government can give away $30 million to PNG or billions for pine trees they should just automatically or telepathically know they must give it to me as well!” …

    In other words, he (or is it He?) wants to make a very Christian FIGHT out of it …

    He really leads by example this guy … devoutly following the prescription of his religion’s founding prophet as all Churches have done since *sarc* …

    So let’s rename this for what it actually is: A somewhat anti-Labour/Coalition government publicity stunt where any good intentions that do exist are dangerously close to being lost in the combative BullShit of politicized translation …

    Fact is, Tamaki is less likely to get his separate religious State (of South Auckland) under Labour-led than under National [the thin-end of the wedge being SOME Charter Schools] and wants the Coalition to know he’s pissed off about it in fairly large, fairly warlike-looking numbers …

    I wonder where Winnie stands on the issue?

    All this is NOT TO SAY that ‘Man Up’ couldn’t possibly do the world of good inside our prison system … provided it is a personal & cultural growth & self-realization program (including Maslow’s level 4 ‘Love & Connection’ … not a mass indoctrination + peer pressurized ‘Destiny Church’ religious conversion travelling roadshow …

    The risk of the latter is the obvious reason it needs to be vetted. Blind-faith followers can be ‘turned’ from nice to nasty with just a few words from their ‘Guru’ …

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    • Gezza

       /  December 7, 2018

      I wonder where Winnie stands on the issue?
      For and against would be my guess. Depending on weekly polling &/or invitations.

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