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  1. Gezza

     /  December 7, 2018

    Baz Soper – is he right, or is he Right?

    “Housing was a policy platform for Labour with Kiwibuild but they made the classic political mistake of tagging it to a target, a hundred thousand new houses over the next ten years.

    Of course they won’t be around to see if it’s achieved.

    With Auckland prices topping a million bucks at election time few kiwis could come within cooee of affording a deposit, let alone servicing a mortgage. Now in many other centres, like Wellington and Queenstown, million dollar homes are commonplace.

    Complaints about Kiwibuild have flooded in thick and fast with many of them justified but some of them not.

    The object of the exercise was to make housing more affordable but in a country that’s crippled by the cost of ridiculous resource consents and the extortionate costs of building materials, not to mention the cost of money, that’s nigh on impossible.

    The Kiwibuild campaign hasn’t been helped this week by its Minister Phil Twyford admitting the rules around flicking a house for profit under the scheme weren’t run through Cabinet.

    If a house allocated in a ballot is bought and flicked within three years the owner gets to keep 70 percent of the profit whereas the Government retains the other 30 percent as a penalty. Before the rule change you’d have to refund the whole profit.

    The significant change was signed off by Grant Robertson and Shane Jones, presumably in Winston Peters’ absence, without reference to the Prime Minister which says a lot about where the power lies.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12172674

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    • duperez

       /  December 7, 2018

      Can someone like Super expect to be taken seriously when he starts with the facile “they made the classic political mistake of tagging it to a target, a hundred thousand new houses”?

      That’s the way the game is played Barry. You know they (whoever it is), say they’re going to do something and people like you ask them how many, how much, so you can get at them for not meeting the mark.

      It’s lowest common denominator stuff for lowest common denominator public and reporters.

      Example from a recent discussion on youth suicides. A politician says they want no suicides. That becomes a target to be measured against and attacked about. Expressing it as a worthy hope becomes a promise. And in reality is not likely to be ‘achieved.’

      Does the politician say, “We want there to only be 80 youth suicides a year”? And to the reporter seeking the definitive number and attacking the lack of it, “And if we fail to reach our target would you encourage your youngster to help us out?”

      If in the housing thing they don’t give numbers, targets, the Sopers of the world go crazy, if they do give them they go crazy. It keeps them employed I suppose.

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      • PDB

         /  December 7, 2018

        In terms of targets there is a big difference to promising/ aspiring to something impossible (i.e. zero suicides) and realistic aims. In terms of suicides a far more realistic target would be a year-by-year decrease in the annual numbers. Stuff: “When it comes to suicide, Jacinda Ardern doesn’t believe in setting a target “that’s anything other than zero””. This is rubbish of course and simply avoids this govt having any real measurement/ goal in terms of suicide reduction.

        100,000 additional homes under ‘Kiwibuild’ was never going to be achievable but many people going into the election were under the misconception that it was. Even National did similar with their ‘predator-free 2050’ aspiration which should have also had a more realistic target.

        As long as politicians keep spouting such nonsense then they should be called out on it.

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  2. Gezza

     /  December 7, 2018

    Terror laws created to block Kiwis leaving to fight for Islamic State have resulted in eight people having New Zealand passports torn up.

    The Countering Terrorist Fighters Legislation Act, passed in December 2014, amended three existing laws to bolster New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (SIS) surveillance capacity and to give the Minister of Internal Affairs greater powers to suspend and cancel passports.

    Data released to the Herald under the Official Information Act shows eight New Zealand citizens have had passports cancelled, withdrawn, or applications refused. Terror and security expert Paul Buchanan was surprised by the total, which he described as a “significant number”.

    “If all eight of those people had their travel documents removed, refused, etc, because it was suspected or known that they were going to fight for Daesh [Islamic State], that’s a lot of extra sympathisers for a country of this size, and that’s scary,” Buchanan said.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12172473
    . . . . . . .

    Does anybody know where Corky is?

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    • Noel

       /  December 7, 2018

      Buchanan on the oversight thingy and he wasn’t aware. Great means Hager s not privy to much.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 7, 2018

        I wonder if he knows where Corky is?

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        • lurcher1948

           /  December 7, 2018

          Is Corky still on/above earth??

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          • Gezza

             /  December 7, 2018

            Didn’t say anything about going off planet.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 7, 2018

              Pity.

              Mark Taylor destroyed his own passport, I think.But why on earth would we want wankers like him to stay here ? I used to see him prancing down the main street of Hamilton, looking around as if he imagined that everyone was admiring him in his Muslim clothes which looked like fancy dress on him. He looks incredibly conceited and has been married who knows how many times, but it’s always the bride’s fault that it didn’t work.

              He was the one who advertised on a Muslim matchmaking website and was removed and banned when they discovered who he was.

              Please tell me that he hasn’t deigned to grace NZ with his presence again.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 7, 2018

              He is ‘the bumbling Jihadist’ who published locations and so on on FACEBOOK, making himself a laughingstock worldwide.

  3. robertguyton

     /  December 7, 2018

    “Deputy Prime Minister Winston said today’s slow walk out was hardly the most inspiring show of support for a party leader.

    “What was most damaging was the way they left after him; they went out in dribs and drabs.

    “It looked like the first loyal group when about six walked out, then about 12 others decided they might be loyal and then the rest decided they should show some loyalty as well – it was seriously disorganised.”
    Pundit

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    • Gezza

       /  December 7, 2018

      It kept the attention of the viewers & media on what was happening for longer & showed up the awful nature of some coalition members as they hurled insults & snide remarks. Quite astute, politically speaking.

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      • robertguyton

         /  December 7, 2018

        Astute? Breaking the rules of the House. Attacking the Speaker’s integrity? Getting booted out. Failing to organise the march-out effectively?
        Astute? Amateur hour.

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        • Gezza

           /  December 7, 2018

          Peters does it all the time and gets away with it. Why?

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          • robertguyton

             /  December 7, 2018

            He’s not an amateur.

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            • Gezza

               /  December 7, 2018

              He’s not an amateur at what? Abusing the speaker by questioning his or her integrity? Do you mean you don’t mind if someone has a lot of experience doing that?

        • Gezza

           /  December 7, 2018

          Amateur hour.
          Why? You haven’t given any reason for that conclusion? Are saying they should have staged a cheap stunt. These people aren’t Greenies. That’s more the sort of thing lefties & NZF do.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  December 7, 2018

          Simons tucked up in bed with his comfort blanket,i feel for mumbler,Judith sharpening her dagger, nowhere in the polls, a massive leaker haunting him and cannot compete with the BAYBEEEEEE

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  December 7, 2018

    Watching 1 Breakfast and they are not very inclusive.They have a gay,,a person of colour,a straight?white man and a straight?white female? but where is the transexual wearing the shimmery tight fitting number,bright red

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  5. robertguyton

     /  December 7, 2018

    Amateur because it smacked of juvenile behaviour, not considered, adult action. Bridges knows you cannot attack the Speaker’s actions or integrity, but chose to do so anyway. Churlish brat, some would say. Amateur because the dribs and drabs revealed deep rifts in the National Party. They may have got coverage on the news (I don’t watch) but probably looked like whining adolescents, if their in-House behaviour is any guide.

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    • robertguyton

       /  December 7, 2018

      You keep citing Lefties, Greenies and Winston Peters – are you playing your favourite “whattabout” card too freely, Gezza? Save it for when you need it. The politician turfed out of the House was Simon Bridges. Perhaps a quick wipe over of your screen with a damp cloth would clear up your seeming inability to identify the offenders.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 7, 2018

        No I’m not just casually playing some whatabout card, robert. Thanks for checking & not just accusing me of it though.

        Where I’m heading with this is to see whether you’re being a hypocrite. At this stage my impression is that you are.

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  6. Gerrit

     /  December 7, 2018

    This is not good news for Labour and the unions in regards getting the people to like the new labour relation laws.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12172849

    Not in the how to win friends and influence people playbook.

    With petrol tanker drivers also to strike right on Christmas (only effecting Z station) the message is clear.

    Back to 1970 with labour law reforms.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 7, 2018

      It won’t affect me, but I agree that it’s back to the bad old days when the ferry workers would strike at the beginning of holidays. My brother-in-law and his family were stranded in France when the UK union did the same thing in the 80s (I think that ours were still at it then, too)

      I hadn’t heard about the Z drivers, but that will be an own goal as everyone goes somewhere else.

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  7. Blazer

     /  December 7, 2018

    no correlation between remuneration and performance at all…Fonterra now has to sell Tip Top to pay for the eyewatering losses on their Chinese investments overseen by over paid,underperforming execs..NZH-‘Sep 13, 2018 – Nearly 6000 Fonterra workers are paid more than $100,000 – 750 more than in 2017. ‘

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108821387/all-eyes-are-on-the-15-men-and-women-in-2-million-club-of-executives

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  8. Gezza

     /  December 7, 2018

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    • lurcher1948

       /  December 7, 2018

      Hell i hope i don’t show his symptoms in 2 years time, saluting a NK general,god spare me

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      • Gezza

         /  December 7, 2018

        Well, he’s a commander-in-chief. If someone in the military salutes him he has to return the salute.

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        • Gezza

           /  December 7, 2018

          After 10 minutes Un told the general to stop saluting and just shake his hand next time, I expect.

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  9. Gezza

     /  December 7, 2018

    Air New Zealand engineers have outlined plans to strike on the airline’s busiest travel day of the year, putting Christmas travel plans at risk for tens of thousands of travellers.

    The unions (The Aviation and Marine Engineers Association and E tū) representing Air New Zealand’s aircraft maintenance engineers, aircraft logistics and related staff served a notice of the planned action only four days before Christmas.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12172849

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 7, 2018

      That’ll be a winner for the swinging voter. Lurch?! As a self-declared middle of the road voter, what’s your opinion?

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  10. Blazer

     /  December 7, 2018

    AS IF A PALTRY 3% of buyers would have this effect…;)

    ‘Real estate experts believe the Central Otago-Queenstown district might be the first area of the country to feel the effects of new rules on overseas house buyers.

    According to property website realestate.co.nz, average asking prices average in the region during November fell to $857,011, down 18.9 per cent on the previous month.

    New listings also fell by 4.6 per cent compared to October, when sellers were asking the much higher price of $1,057,019.’-Stuff.

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    • PDB

       /  December 7, 2018

      Fake news there Blazer – 3% across the whole country and around 10% in Queenstown (the largest % of overseas buyers of all NZ regions) hence it would have a bigger effect.

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      • Blazer

         /  December 7, 2018

        even 10% …compared to 90% results in a 18.9% drop….do me a favour…foreign buyers in QTown more like 35%.

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  11. PDB

     /  December 7, 2018

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 7, 2018

      I wouldn’t have recognised her from that photo. Some CCTV is so bad that it’s all but useless.

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      • Gezza

         /  December 7, 2018

        Ma said the police have other video of her entering some apartments connected with Sky City casino with a man but not of her leaving and that they have spoken to the man. It was on 1ewes at 6 but I missed it as I was late getting down there owing to having to do something more important to play my part in saving the world for less than a 1$ a day which modesty forbids I give further details about.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 8, 2018

          New Shub had details about the apartment etc.

          One must hope and hope that she’s just taken off somewhere.

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  December 7, 2018
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