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8 December 2018

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  1. Gezza

     /  December 8, 2018

    KiwiBuild chief gone after just five months: Barclay leaves top role
    KiwiBuild chief executive Stephen Barclay has left the organisation after only five months in the job.

    Barclay was appointed in May to steer the Government’s flagship scheme to build 100,000 homes in a decade.

    Barclay, who has business, civil service and sporting experience, could not be reached for comment.

    However, according to a person close to the matter, Barclay left his position at the start of November.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12173087

    Doesn’t surprise me. Imagine having to work at the top under a noddy like Twyford.

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  2. I hope those who are concerned about NZ signing this pact where the UN will dictate NZ’s immigration policy will attend this demonstration at Aotea Square at 2 pm today.

    Protest The UN Migration Pact

    https://www.facebook.com/events/352809995510112/

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    • Blazer

       /  December 8, 2018

      do you know what ‘non binding’ means Chuck…

      as for…’When the Pact was passed in 2016 unanimously by all nations in the world National was in power. Someone must have signed this off.’MS-TS

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    • The Consultant

       /  December 8, 2018

      You should vote for Winston First, Chuck. Given WInston’s history of strong statements against mass immigration I’m sure he’d never support a government that signed up to this.

      Remember, as with Maori Seats, you can trust Winston to have the best interests of New Zealanders at heart.

      Oh, and good looking horses.

      🙂

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      • Blazer

         /  December 8, 2018

        Chucks a genuine dinosaur…probably wants 6 o’clock closing …restored.

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        • The Consultant

           /  December 8, 2018

          Now, now Blazer. Don’t be so mean to the likes of Chucky. Thanks to thousands like him, scattered around NZ retirement homes and villages, you’ve got yourself your long-awaited Green-Labour government – well, Labour government anyway.

          Had not Winston First existed, all those right-wingers like Chucky, would probably have voted for National.

          They probably will next time.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 8, 2018

            I can assure you that Chuck is not in a retirement village, he has a very nice house.

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            • Chuck Bird

               /  December 8, 2018

              Thanks Kitty, I share in a retirement village amongst my other investments. What do you ever do politically Consultant to support the causes you believe in aside from commenting anonymously?

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 8, 2018

            Some probably will vote National next time …

            But if Parties fill spaces in a sort of collective psyche-political cosmos, The Conservatives or some similar ‘thing’ would have picked up Winston Peters slack in his absence …

            Even National has to go too far out on a limb to appeal to these people, risking losing larger numbers of moderate voters … an indelicate balancing act …

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    • lurcher1948

       /  December 8, 2018

      CHUCK what about those Muslims….scary

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    • sorethumb

       /  December 8, 2018

      It is an aspirational framework but why should NZ aspire to it? For one thing it seeks to control media organisations in order to sing the praises of migration when migration can be a nation’s down fall.

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    • Blazer

       /  December 8, 2018

      what ’causes’ do you believe in Chuck…?

      Do you have empathy for your fellow man..who has no descretionary income to ‘invest’ ..do you believe in ..’everyman for himself’?

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      • Chuck Bird

         /  December 9, 2018

        I believe that NZ will only prosper with a change of government. Future Labour governments may be okay but this one is led by a communist. I also believe in an open and transparent government. I believe in binding referenda instead of depending on conscience votes. I believe in using my own name and not hiding behind a pseudonym. I believe in good and evil and that the public should be protected from evil criminals.

        What do you believe in and what do you do to support your causes financially or otherwise?

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        • Blazer

           /  December 9, 2018

          ‘I believe that NZ will only prosper with a change of government. -gut feeling?

          ‘ this one is led by a communist’…patent b/s…this is not the 50’s

          ‘I also believe in an open and transparent government’-we all do…a wish..


          ‘I believe in using my own name’…many reasons people don’t…doubt you were named ‘Chuck’

          I believe in liberty,equality ,and fraternity’.

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          • Chuck Bird

             /  December 9, 2018

            What do you mean by equality – do you mean all cultures are equal?

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  3. duperez

     /  December 8, 2018

    It’s going to be really hard to keep painting Maggie Barry as lily white. I’m pleased I don’t have the job. In fact it might take a bull artist with a deft hand to even get near a gentle grey.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12173091

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 8, 2018

      Yes, looks like this one could be fatal to her career. Time to apologise and quit unless there is counter-evidence we haven’t seen.

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  4. robertguyton

     /  December 8, 2018

    Oh, Mags!
    “”She was yelling and screaming like a mad woman, accusing me of lying. She was saying I was incompetent. And then she started swearing. I said, you can’t talk to me like that, minister, I’ll come back when you calm down. And I left.”

    When the woman returned to work the next day, she was told she was no longer welcome, and was escorted out by security.

    “I left shocked. After five years of working in that role I was like, that’s incredible, I can’t believe it.””

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    • lurcher1948

       /  December 8, 2018

      Sir Key taught her very well

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    • lurcher1948

       /  December 8, 2018

      Yet we are ruled by them as we write.

      Allowing women the vote is a failed social experiment that has benefited no on

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 8, 2018

      What – no notice given ? No ‘wrongful dismissal’ brought ?

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      • Gezza

         /  December 8, 2018

        They’re in a bureaucracy. It doesn’t matter how they present things, the HR department is appointed by the hierarchy & automatically sees its mission as being there to look after their superiors’ interests. That’s why so many employees end up having bullying issues “resolved” after “discussions” but still leaving after “amicable agreements” with confidentiality agreements.

        If they’ve found the courage to do something about bullying thru the official HR policy procedures & discovered the HR Department is actively working to minimise the matter and “work with” the bosses to sort things out they then discover sorting things out involves their moving on because HR isn’t going to tell a superior to.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 8, 2018

          That wouldn’t change the laws about dismissal without notice (or x weeks pay in lieu) Nobody can overrule those, surely.

          I remember working in a horrible place, where I, for reasons unknown, was on the receiving end of spiteful tattle-tales ( someone saw me propping up the doorway of a chemist shop after a doctor’s visit and reported me as having been out and about in the city when I was supposedly ill; that sort of thing) I was offered the choice of so many weeks pay or to work out the weeks. No prizes for guessing which I chose. As I had done nothing to provoke the spite, I suspect that it wasn’t just me.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  December 8, 2018

    Yet we are ruled by them as we write.

    Allowing women the vote is a failed social experiment that has benefited no on

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    • Gezza

       /  December 8, 2018

      I feel there’s more you would like to say but you have either thought about it some more or you fallen over, neighbour ? 😳

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  6. sorethumb

     /  December 8, 2018

    Raining On The White Tribe’s Parade

    But, even if the decision to dispense with the traditional Santa Claus was taken with the most noble of progressive intentions. Even if it was undertaken as a means of giving the celebration of Christmas a uniquely New Zealand flavour, it nevertheless remains an act of the most aggressive racism.

    Why? Because those who made it are guilty of either consciously or unconsciously rejecting the whole notion that the cherished traditions of a specific ethnic community should be considered sacrosanct and worthy of respect. Because the person, or persons, responsible for the decision arrogated to themselves the right to set aside the key cultural element by which a “Santa Parade” is defined: the beaming, white-haired and white-bearded old gentlemen clad in a red suit, edged with white fur, seated in a sleigh piled high with gifts and pulled through the air by flying reindeer. Absurd? Of course it’s absurd! But no more absurd than the Prophet Mohammed being carried to paradise on a flying horse. Or a god with the body of a human-being and the head of an elephant. Racism is no less racism because the contempt on display is being directed at members of one’s own tribe.

    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2018/12/raining-on-white-tribes-parade.html

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    • sorethumb

       /  December 8, 2018

      arrogate
      /ˈarəɡeɪt/Submit
      verb
      past tense: arrogated; past participle: arrogated
      take or claim (something) without justification.
      “they arrogate to themselves the ability to divine the nation’s true interests”
      synonyms: assume, take, take on, take over, secure, acquire, seize, expropriate, take possession of, help oneself to, make free with, appropriate, steal, wrest, usurp, commandeer, hijack, annex, claim, lay claim to
      “the Church arrogated to itself the power to create kings”

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