Media watch – Tuesday

11 December 2018

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  1. Blazer

     /  December 11, 2018

    Finlayson named the 2 recalcitrant negotiators…Sonny Tau and one other who’s name escapes me.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  December 11, 2018

    The UK media have named the murder accused of the British backpacker. Makes a mess of suppression orders in international cases.

    • Gezza

       /  December 11, 2018

      Found it already.

    • Yes, but the courts have to follow the law here.

      It is illegal to link to overseas sites naming someone with suppression, or to guide people to such sites, so please everyone don’t go there.

    • Missy

       /  December 11, 2018

      I was going to post on this actually, I have seen it all over the place here.

      Laws around suppression orders need to catch up with technology – if they can. The only way to have prevented his name being out there would have been a closed court, and none of the documents released.

      It does raise another issue though. I am in the UK therefore there is nothing to legally stop me from tweeting a link to the article, or from posting it on facebook, however, many of my facebook friends are in NZ, so therefore they can view it, but not actually write anything about it themselves.

      Also, how do international news sites deal with this?

      The Grace Millane murder has been big news in the UK, and the BBC and UK Sky News are both broadcast in NZ on Sky, if they were to name the killer on their UK broadcasts who is breaching name suppression if it is live?

      In saying that I think BBC have honoured the NZ name suppression, but I am not sure about Sky News.

      Modern technology shows that in order for name suppression to work in our very global world then our justice system cannot be open.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 11, 2018

      And in keeping with Stuff’s policy “Only the views we want to print” no comments will be allowed.

    • Gezza

       /  December 11, 2018

      Clementine – if you want better men, find a good one. marry him and bring up your kids with him. You’ll get better men and women.

  3. High Flying Duck

     /  December 11, 2018

    Good article on the hi-jacking of a tourists murder to push misandry:

    “…Still, the “Men are trash” Twitter brigade are brazenly informing Kiwi blokes that they all have Grace’s blood on their collective male hands. They were all in that hotel room that night. Half the population just killed a young woman.

    I don’t want to make this about feminism — I’ll leave that to the feminists. They’re doing a great job of making Grace Millane’s death all about them. But I will take a moment to observe, not for the first time, that demonising a demographic and attempting to hold them collectively responsible for crimes committed by individuals within that demographic is wrong. When the targeted demographic is an ethnic or religious group, everyone seems to be very, very clear about that. When it applies to race or religion, this is the general consensus. When it comes to blaming males for all of society’s ills, however, this logic does not apply. One man committed a heinous crime. Therefore, men are trash. All of them.

    In the downtime between breaking announcements related to this case, news sites are publishing lists of all the female backpackers and tourists murdered in New Zealand over the decades. Journalists are making Twitter threads, attempting to collate all the women and girls ever murdered by men in New Zealand, ever — getting names and key details wrong in their enthusiasm and haste.

    I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen anyone use the hashtag #NotAllMen in seriousness, but I frequently see it used to mock and dismiss anyone who refuses to participate in this vicious scapegoating.”

    https://rahera.co.nz/?p=246

    • phantom snowflake

       /  December 11, 2018

      …in which Rachel Poulain, herself, hijacks the murder of Grace Millane and uses it as a stick to beat the Twitter Feminists she so detests. Yes Rachel, as you said: “Opportunists have already seized upon Grace Millane’s death to fuel their cause.” But, as ever, It’s ok when The Right do it!

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  December 11, 2018

        Except she didn’t hijack the murder, she critiqued the reaction to it.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  December 11, 2018

        Hijacked to her cause? Really? Which was what exactly?
        She is just pointing out what is rife on twitter and elsewhere with the woke generation falling over themselves in tut tutting and blaming all men.

        • phantom snowflake

           /  December 11, 2018

          As I’m sure you’re aware, Poulain is a vociferous anti-feminist campaigner on Twitter.

          • PDB

             /  December 11, 2018

            Maybe so but did her writing in this particular case have merit? I thought she made some good points and surely what she speaks of is clearly evident on twitter?

          • High Flying Duck

             /  December 11, 2018

            I find her to be reasonably feminist in her stance. She is more against those who put men who think they are women at the centre of their so-called feminism. Which is more a pro-men stance, so she is protecting women’s rights in the face of an all out assault by the trans community.

            • you might be confusing me with someone else there, Duck. i’m generally very pro-trans inclusivity. all i’ve really said is that people who do have concerns about self-ID legislation and protection of traditional female-only spaces should be allowed to express their views. doesn’t mean i necessarily agree with what they say, just that i support their right to say it.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  December 11, 2018

    The fact that Maori are about five times more likely to be victims and perpetrators of violence than Pakeha does not seem to require #NotAllMaori??

    • PDB

       /  December 11, 2018

      As you allude to the very same far-left feminists blaming all men for the actions of some men are likely the same ones who believe all Maori are not to blame for the actions of some Maori, & not only that but those Maori actually killing kids etc are not to blame either with colonialism, white privilege etc the culprit.

  5. PDB

     /  December 11, 2018

    What idiot said standards at the NZ Herald are slipping?