Open Forum – Thursday

13 December 2018

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  13th December 2018

    For you Donald Trump POTUS #45 lovers Google is helping you out, enter “IDIOT” and it takes you to Donald Trump…isn’t that handy

  2. lurcher1948

     /  13th December 2018

    Heard a sometimes poster here Chuck Bird talking to the graveyard shift NZME ZB rightwing host and Chuck Bird referred to our fresh bright PM Jacinda Adern as a”silly little girl” the standard rightwing mantra.Chuck our PM is 38 years old and is not a girl so if you read this try some respect and try not to sound so much like a dork on the radio

    • Blazer

       /  13th December 2018

      Chuck is a recalcitrant ‘dork’ on all media.
      The archetypal…’silly old fool’.

  3. Missy

     /  13th December 2018

    Tonight as I was heading home Tower Bridge was raised to let a large yacht through. It looked amazing with all the lights on.

    • lurcher1948

       /  13th December 2018

      My son lives in London

      • Missy

         /  13th December 2018

        It is a great city. I hope he is enjoying his time here. I love being here at this time of the year, the Christmas lights are so amazing, and despite arriving at work in the dark and leaving in pitch black, it is really festive.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  13th December 2018

    That Richie Hardcore seems a good sort going by his social profile.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  13th December 2018

    A bitter rightwing poster bought to you courtesy of David Farrar ringmaster of the hatefest kiwiblog,
    This dreadful Ardern creature will Politicise anything that she thinks will win over the ‘Woman’s Day’ crowd who vote for her.
    Grandparents in Hospital, Cat getting run over, Hauling her baby/publicity stunt to the United Nations etc etc

    She doesn’t like talking much about her close connections to certain Czech blokes though…
    National party of losers

  6. Blazer

     /  13th December 2018

    $7 billion down the toilet ,just from these companies that still exist…that ‘going rate’ for talent is a fantasy…

    Telecom – AAPT ($3B+), Air NZ – Ansett ($2b+), Warehouse – Silly Solly & Crazy Clint ($500m+), FBU with its UK Paper ($1.5b+

  7. Mother

     /  13th December 2018

    Gloriavale angers me.

    There is no place for a situation like that in NZ. If the churches were worth their salt, Neville Cooper’s extremism would have fizzled out before the disaster of Gloriavale.

    Neville Cooper’s son’s story is shared in a book called ‘Sins of the Father.’ Philip said that Gloriavale is really about his relationship with his father. Try as he might, Neville could not break Philip. Try as he might, Philip could not win the battle which is Gloriavale.

    We could help those people. It’s too late to nip it in the bud, but we could see Gloriavale disbanded. It would be a wonderful project. We could document the process for antiquity. This project would show us the prudence of holding firm to our Christian heritage.

    I think that if Kiwis could gently disband Gloriavale, we could show God that we’re not silly after all. We could make it our aim to achieve it within three generations.

    Gloriavalians belong with us. It is wrong to have any of our people tucked away alone pretending to be a fellowship in Christ. If we don’t take action, many more are destined for deep unhappiness escalating to much violence. Peter Lineham said that he can’t see Gloriavale ending any time soon. Too many babies for indoctrination!

    Does anyone want to form a team? We would need serious money and a few brave psychologically strong people.

    The leaders could be quite easily challenged. In reality, they are extremely vulnerable. People who are desperate to please God are toppable and if they are hurting others, they are stoppable. If any ex Gloriavalians are reading this, yes it’s true. The leaders are not so strong as to succeed in keeping families apart. We just need a team of tenacious people.

    There is no reason to be intimidated by Gloriavale.

    If this message interests you for genuine involvement, give an uptick. I would discreetly take it from there.

    (There is no especial need for interested parties to be Christians. Sound thinking plus compassion is all that’s needed.)

    • lurcher1948

       /  13th December 2018

      Mother, there are muslims and nazis and also people who don’t believe in the sky fairy over on kiwiblog..Go there as its like darkest africa, and you might meet Livingston and the meaning of life
      PS mention Gloriavale and those nutters will come out of the woodwork.a base waiting for you

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  13th December 2018

        I don’t feel intimidated by Gloriavale. I hate it that when someone leaves, they are cut off in a distortion of Bible teaching.

        Why anyone would want to wear that hideous uniform is a mystery; bunchy, the most unflattering shade of blue; even the prettiest finds it hard to make that look good.

        When a documentary was done, the reporter talked to the girls and young women about careers, and ran through some. They were realistic ones, the kind that most people have, not being high court judges or brain surgery. They looked at each other and her, and one said gently ‘Why would we WANT to do that?’ (or words to that effect)

        • Mother

           /  13th December 2018

          Kitti, somehow I know intrinsically that what is spoken about Gloriavale on social media is quite likely hurtful for ex Gloriavalians.
          We simply cannot understand.
          Indoctrination is powerful.
          Will you join my team?
          Who has money to help with this? If I had money, I would not hesitate to use it for this good project. Safe families are our future.

      • Mother

         /  13th December 2018

        Learn to read Lurcher. Nothing I wrote is for trivialising.

        You shared with us your personal grief re losing loved ones, your lot in life and such like. What about when others need compassion?

        I have put onto YourNZ a genuine proposal. I await positive developments.

        I am not seeking a discussion re Gloriavale. I have stated my case – It is wrong for families to suffer like this in NZ. Let’s take positive action. No amount of hand wringing, mockery, trivialising or ignoring is going to help those growing families. These people are the future too, and they belong.

        I’m quite annoyed with you Lurcher. If you’re not interested in my positive suggestion, then keep away.

        I am also sorry for you. There must be reasons for your cynicism. You could share such thoughts on an appropriate thread.

  8. Gezza

     /  13th December 2018

    Trevor has begun Question Time by telling off all government Ministers who have been refusing to provide proper replies to Written Questions about meetings in the last month etc on the basis that Ministers’ diaries will soon be publicly available. Trevor said that will not happen until April 2019, and until then the current rules apply.

    Chris Hipkins argued the toss as a point of order because diaries will be progressively released & said something about too many questions taking up too much time and they’re the same questions over and over or some such. Trevor was satisfied the vast majority of these Questions could be answered and said that he expects Ministers to answer those questions.

    Shane Jones then did the same thing and described the Questions as “dross” & was required to withdraw and apologise. Ministers were told it is the right of MPs to ask those questions and repeated that the current rules apply. (Chris Bishop also copped an earlier withdraw and apologise for some silly remark we couldn’t hear.). Messy.

  9. Gezza

     /  13th December 2018

    Question 2 re Sroubek and Richie Wotsername from Bridges to the Prime Minister (answered by DPM) very entertaining.

    • Gezza

       /  13th December 2018

      *Hardcore

    • Gezza

       /  13th December 2018

      Bridges is using his prosecutor’s training for this series of questions – I’ll post it when available.

      • lurcher1948

         /  13th December 2018

        Mr 7% Bridges,so many got of under crown prosecution, Was Mr 7% bridges worth his coin

    • Gezza

       /  13th December 2018

      YouTube Parliament videos are all over the place. Dunno what’s going on there.

      • robertguyton

         /  13th December 2018

        Clearly, Bridge’s strategy is to bore the Government into submission.
        Entirely dull.
        Going nowhere. And as Winston said, “A mere bagatelle”.

        • Clearly, Guyton’s strategy is to bore the forum into submission.
          Entirely dull.
          Going nowhere. “A mere bagatelle”.

          • robertguyton

             /  13th December 2018

            Goodness me! A personal attack on a regular poster at YourNZ, by the host !
            How unfriendly.
            I wonder if Mr George would have done the same if one of the clearly right-wing commenters had said something similar about Winston Peters…hang on! They do, and he doesn’t!
            Curious. Smells like bias to me.

            • Curious. Smells like you play the victim and moan too much.

              Actually, it’s worse than that. You flare and smear all over, then whinge when someone responds.

              If you call that a personal attack then what you did was a personal attack. And then a whingey personal attack when it was thrown back at you.

            • robertguyton

               /  13th December 2018

              Calling Bridges “dull” isn’t a personal attack, Pete, or if it is, most of your posters here are guilty of it. Attacking a poster though, is. You can’t see the difference?
              Curious…

            • So calling bridges dull is not a personal attack, but calling you dull is? That’s a fairly dull attempt at self victimising.

            • robertguyton

               /  13th December 2018

              Your argument would have some substance, perhaps, if you could demonstrate where you’ve said something personal like that to any poster from the right – you’re a centrist remember, and unbiased, fair, reasonable. Aren’t you?

            • robertguyton

               /  13th December 2018

              In any case, Pete, your comment was plagiarised. You didn’t acknowledge the original author. You should delete a plagiarised comment with no link to the original, you’ve done it before. Delete your own comment, go on. Maintain a high standard or everyone will be doing it.

            • You spend too much time trying to disrupt and distract. I can’t be bothered wasting time with you (which may well be one of your aims). If you keep trolling and trying to tell me what to do you may lose your direct commenting privilege. And if you whinge about this it will hasten your change of privilege.

            • robertguyton

               /  13th December 2018

              Privilege?
              Cracking the ol’ whip there, Pete, crack, crack!
              I’m not trying to tell you what to do, I’m pointing out what looks to me like hypocrisy. I guess everybody else is too frightened of the whip to say anything to you…

  10. Gezza

     /  13th December 2018

    Question 3 – Woodhouse to Minister of Immigration

    Real spat between Hipkins and Mallard over his allowing a Question Hipkins reckons shouldn’t be allowed.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  13th December 2018

    So Gezza another fail for Simon, summers coming and will we say, WHERES Simon, as hes flushed down the toilet

    • Gezza

       /  13th December 2018

      1ewes at 6 mentioned Simon’s raising these issues and Jacinda’s response to a reporter and left viewers to form their own conclusions. Today, I thought Bridges’ performance was solid.

  12. MaureenW

     /  13th December 2018

    What could possibly go wrong? Former Cera boss who stood down (before he was pushed) while being investigated for inappropriate physical contact and sexual remarks; is resurrecting himself as a new Anglican Missioner ..

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/109315075/roger-sutton-on-a-mission-to-help-christchurchs-downtrodden

  13. Blazer

     /  13th December 2018

    feelgood story full of holes..https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/109291800/property-investors-were-not-greedy-fat-cats

    ‘Ani Ruawhare did not own a property at all until 2011. But the Auckland woman spotted her chance when KiwiSaver was introduced

    ‘She put 8 per cent of her salary, then working as a manager at an electricity company, into her account and built up as much money as she could before withdrawing it as a deposit on her first home in 2011.’
    ‘From there, she decided investment properties were her future.

    “I was either lucky enough or clever enough to realise that passive income would be a benefit to not working to the death at the ripe old age of 100,” she said.

    She bought her first rental in 2015 and has since expanded her portfolio to four – two properties in Auckland, one in Rotorua and another in the works in Hastings.’

    3 years!…yeah right.

  14. Gezza

     /  13th December 2018

    Ma starts chemo tomorrow. The cancer society driver picked us up for her appointment with the cancer doctor at Welly Hospital to have the process and the monitoring explained. She’s something of a test case. None of them have had a 91 year old given chemo before.

    The driver who picked us up & delivered us back home arrived in a Jaguar. He is a former senior IRD official who retired early & then did two stints in Washington on a UN passport as an IMF official. Said he just scraped through a basic accountancy degree, “got his letters” and that was it.

    He is glad to be back in NZ, got tired of Americans. Of course I immediately engaged him on matters politics related. He was very circumspect, smiled a lot, lovely chap, said he hopes he gets to be the one who takes us to ma’s next appointment in 3 weeks time and I hope so too. After a lift in a Jag, one wouldn’t like to lower one’s standards of transportation. I asked if any other drivers had a Rolls, by any chance, but it seems not.

    I shall be working hard to break down his barriers and add him to my list of advisors & informal survey respondents on matters political.

    Thank you
    That is all
    🐧 Sir Gerald 🐧

    • MaureenW

       /  13th December 2018

      Your Ma must be in pretty good shape otherwise – hope it goes well for her.

      • Gezza

         /  13th December 2018

        Thank you Maureen. It’s stage 4 metastatic, sadly. They couldn’t get it all. She isn’t going to make the ton. But she’s going to kick it as hard as she can for as long as she can.

    • PDB

       /  13th December 2018

      All the best for your ma Gezza.

      • Gezza

         /  13th December 2018

        Thanks PDB. One couldn’t ask for a better mother-in-law and 2nd mum. Even if she has been a bloody battleaxe and bossed me round more than my own mum ever since I married her daughter.

        • PDB

           /  13th December 2018

          Can’t even imagine being 91 years old…I must ask Blazer what its like.