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19 December 2018

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  1. Gezza

     /  December 19, 2018

    Thoughts from Rudders:
    The season to be silly as Lime scooters (and their riders) hit our footpaths
    This year the silliness seems to have broken out early with a Lime e-scooter hitting the headlines at the weekend for making a break for it across the Auckland Harbour Bridge with Sergeant Plod in hot pursuit.

    The NZ Transport Agency, which runs the bridge as part of the state highway system, very sensibly has laws in place to prevent cyclists and other low-powered vehicles from dicing with death by sharing the same space with cars and the like.

    Yet a few months back this agency saw nothing odd in rewriting its rules to allow e-scooters, capable of speeds approaching 30km/h, to access our urban footpaths. Neither rider nor scooter needs any form of licensing. The driver just has to be “careful and considerate” and “give way to pedestrians and drivers of mobility devices”.

    The power imbalance between an e-scooter and a double-decker bus on the same stretch of tarmac was recognised by the NZTA. But a similar imbalance between an e-scooter sharing a footpath with a strolling mother and child was not.

    Incredibly, this didn’t happen by accident. The commercial scooter operator lobbied the NZTA to wipe the existing ban on e-scooter use on footpaths. NZTA did, by adopting the fiction that a scooter with an electric motor not exceeding 300 watts in power was not a “motor vehicle”.

    Unfortunately there is no NZ Pedestrian Authority to speak up for those of us who just want to walk along the street safely. Our politicians have been reluctant to speak out for fear, it seems, of being denounced as out of touch old codgers. It wasn’t until one of the old codgers, Auckland councillor Christine Fletcher, was almost skittled by a scooter on her way to a meeting six weeks ago, that mayor Phil Goff called for an urgent report – well after his officials had rubber stamped the current trial on Auckland streets. Goff tut-tutted loudly and wrote to the Transport Minister demanding a 10km/h speed limit and compulsory helmets for users. As for reclaiming the footpath for the poor old pedestrians. Nothing.

    In my experience, it’s the riders who tend to look the most scared. Which is genuinely worrying. Lime says hirers have to have a credit card and a driver’s licence to operate one. But mostly they seem too young to have a licence, hanging on for grim death as they speed past. Their concerns seem well justified.

    In the two months to December 12, there have been 392 claims to ACC for injuries involving Lime e-scooters in either Auckland or Christchurch. That’s six a day. There’s no mention of how many victims are pedestrians.

    The latest to hit the headlines was a Welsh visitor who broke her neck after “a few drinks” as she scootered to her Grey Lynn home in the early hours. She’s now calling for a 15km/h speed limit and compulsory helmets. I’d add a special ACC insurance levy on Lime to that.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178833

    I’m all for banning these bloody things. The lazy arses and dickheads who want to ride them travel overseas to where other idiots allow them. If we can’t ban the damn things, can we at least legislate to make Lime pay for all the injured to be treated?

    • Gezza

       /  December 19, 2018

      *can travel overseas…

    • Griff.

       /  December 19, 2018

      Some one gets drunk and has a stupid accident so you want to ban electric scooters .
      50% of all weekend A&E admissions are someone gets drunk and does something stupid.
      Lets ban weekends…..

      Under 300 watts has always been considered not a engine powered device .
      Mopeds were a thing when I was a kid.
      Bikes with tiny motors that needed no license WOF or registration and treated as push bikes legally. Such under powered devices are treated the same in just about the entire world.

      • Gezza

         /  December 19, 2018

        Would you classify yourself as a dickhead or a lazy arse, out of interest?

        • Gezza

           /  December 19, 2018

          And did you read this bit before rushing to show yourself up as one of them?
          In the two months to December 12, there have been 392 claims to ACC for injuries involving Lime e-scooters in either Auckland or Christchurch. That’s six a day. There’s no mention of how many victims are pedestrians.

          Take your time, have a think.

          • Griff.

             /  December 19, 2018

            hello gozza
            I made a couple of comments.
            You could try to reply to them rather than having a fit son.

            learning curve
            like when you first learn to ride a bike .
            Once most have learnarized how to cope with scooters the accident rate will fall
            Lime should be levied for ACC accidents on a per ride or per hour basis .

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Hello Gruff
              Some one gets drunk and has a stupid accident so you want to ban electric scooters

              This is Incorrect. This is not why I want to ban electric scooters.
              Please see:

              In the two months to December 12, there have been 392 claims to ACC for injuries involving Lime e-scooters in either Auckland or Christchurch. That’s six a day.

              So clearly there is not just one drunk who prompted my post.

              Thank you for your apology for getting it all wrong agian, which I of course totally accept in the spirit in which you offered it. You may sit down now.

            • Griff.

               /  December 19, 2018

              I am glad you are trying to use actual facts rather than just making up shite for a change .

              What is an acc claim?
              Fall off and get a gravel rash go to doctor for a sticky plaster is an acc claim..stub your big toe go see nursy for a kiss and a pat is the same.
              Just raw numbers dont allow an informed opinion besides we need more information.
              Costs should be on the user.
              ACC levy for lime or anyone else using the business model based on cost of resulting accidents. If this rises the price so it is uneconomic so be it .

              Not grumpy old man sees youngsters having fun on newfangled device so wants it banned .

              Drunk in charge is still illegal on a scooter just as it is on a skateboard or push bike. Cops council or whoever should push that you can still end up with a DIC on a scooter if you ride drunk.

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              What is an acc claim?
              Fall off and get a gravel rash go to doctor for a sticky plaster is an acc claim..stub your big toe go see nursy for a kiss and a pat is the same.
              Just raw numbers dont allow an informed opinion besides we need more information.

              Good point. See what you can find out & report back.

            • Griff.

               /  December 19, 2018

              Its your cloud grumpy old man, you find your own information
              Google is your friend and acc has all stats on line .
              .

            • Duker

               /  December 19, 2018

              Quite right about most ACC claims are just a visit to a GP, patients arent even aware as the Doctor just gets the subsidy from ACC instead of from the DHB for the consultation. You only get a ACC claim number if you are referred to something like a physio or podiatrist etc.
              What is more relevant is an ambulance attendance, ( ACC claim) or hospital and some emergency clinics ( ACC claim) as that may be Xrays, stitches etc.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  December 19, 2018

            The question is how many are slow learners and injure themselves twice. Otherwise Darwinism rules.

            I presume none were pedestrians otherwise they would have been all over the media.

        • Trevors_Elbow

           /  December 19, 2018

          Did someone spear an eel in your little awa mate? Grumpy!!

          • Gezza

             /  December 19, 2018

            Nah, I just feel like triggering Groff this week. 😉

            • Griff.

               /  December 19, 2018

              Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

              Dear dear…..never seen that before..//sarc//

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              See how easy it is 😀

    • David

       /  December 19, 2018

      They are great, I am a convert after thinking there would be death and mayhem but they add a bit of colour and vibrancy. There will always be idiots who will be idiots and its frustrating that society is regulated because of a few loons.

      • Gezza

         /  December 19, 2018

        You could emigrate to the US where the loons & the sane people can both own guns and so can you because they’re not very well regulated. It is sad that its necessary to regulate society because of a few loons but that’s because loons can cause mayhem and destruction and there never seems to be a shortage of them.

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 19, 2018

      There just doesn’t seem to be anything anyone can do to make people use footpaths for WALKING!!!

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 19, 2018

        6 claims a day is appalling, and I don’t believe that they are for the things Griff sneeringly describes; who’d go to a doctor for those ? Nothing that I have read suggests that; the claims are for broken bones and bad cuts.

        The Welsh woman’s ideas seem highly reasonable, lower speed, wear a helmet.

        I can’t see why, if people are too damned lazy to walk and too mean to take a bus, they can’t be obliged to go on the outside edge of the pavement, on the same side of the road as the traffic so as to avoid head-on collisions.

      • Gezza

         /  December 19, 2018

        Well at least that settles my earlier question. Gromf is a dickhead, not a lazy arse.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  December 19, 2018

          Not clear who was at fault though. Cycling at 20km/h while looking backwards is not conducive to staying in a narrow lane.

          • Gezza

             /  December 19, 2018

            No Lime scooter no crash into Lime scooter.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 19, 2018

              Could just as well have been another cyclist doing the same speed.

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Doesn’t seem to have been. Seems to have been a Lime scooter?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 19, 2018

              Stop looking behind and you’ll better understand what is front of you.

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Sounds good. I’ll give it a try tomorrow.

        • Griff.

           /  December 19, 2018

          You really have the butt hurt hard .
          Poor wee thing .

          Has crash .
          Claims the other guy must be at fault because he only turned around for a second .
          At the claimed 20kmh it should take less than a second to come to a dead stop.
          Highly likely it was not paying attention that caused the accident ….

  2. lurcher1948

     /  December 19, 2018

    Just watched Justice minister Andrew Little on One and thought,he’s really grown into the role in stark contrast to”simple”Simon Bridges who looks like a dead man walking.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  December 19, 2018

    The legacy of Sir Key,people spying on New Zealanders.The head of Southern Responce gone and many more National party appointees will fall on their swords soon I expect.Vote National,get private spies

    • The spying that has just been revealed has spanned the last three Governments.

      • Trevors_Elbow

         /  December 19, 2018

        C’mon Pete… don’t use FACTS to deflate poor old Lurchers fun bubble!!!!

      • Duker

         /  December 19, 2018

        last government it grew exponentially is the difference

        • robertguyton

           /  December 19, 2018

          Under the National Government, they spied on The Green Party.
          Imagine if we had a Green Government and The National Party was spied upon.
          You’d be incensed!
          In any case, a Green Government wouldn’t allow spying on its citizens.

          • Gezza

             /  December 19, 2018

            In any case, a Green Government wouldn’t allow spying on its citizens.

            How do you arrive at that conclusion?

          • Trevors_Elbow

             /  December 19, 2018

            Who spied on the Greens Robert? You got some links to back that up? Or are you talking surveillance on Greenpeace and their criminal activities (you know like unlawfully being on a boat like Lucy Lawless).

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              “Some of the specific findings are highlighted in this article by Andrea Vance. From the article:

              – that a Thompson & Clark employee recorded several closed meetings of Southern Response insurance claimants in Christchurch between 2014-2016. The contractor was not a licensed private investigator, which is potentially unlawful. The activity is the subject of Hughes’ complaint to police.

              – Two Ministry of Primary Industries staff were also working for Thompson & Clark, and accessed New Zealand Transport Agency information on behalf of the security firm. They are now being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office.

              – MPI hired the firm to monitor animal rights activists, and spy on them at conferences in 2005 and 2006.

              – Crown Law hired investigators from another firm to dig up information to cross examine witnesses in a court case alleging abuse in state care – known as the “White case”. The investigators may have used “low level surveillance”.

              – inappropriate email contact between a Security Intelligence Service staff and one of the firm’s directors, which risked harming the reputation of the government spy agency.

              – unprofessional interactions between the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and Thompson & Clark investigators, working for the oil and gas industry, that “created at least a perception of conflict of interest”.

              Thompson & Clark reported to government agencies on the activities of the Green and Mana parties, Taranaki and Northland iwi groups and Greenpeace, described as “an affront to democracy”.””

      • lurcher1948

         /  December 19, 2018

        Whatever…

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 19, 2018

          Does this mean that if the IRA set up a new branch here and there was evidence that they were planning to kill members of the English royal family who visited, the Greens wouldn’t put any sort of surveillance on them?

          More realistically, would the Greens not ‘spy’ on people believed to be about to bring in huge amounts of drugs?

          • robertguyton

             /  December 19, 2018

            Argumentum ad absurdum

            • Duker

               /  December 19, 2018

              kitty does that…she thinks it means shes clever

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 19, 2018

              If you don’t think that the IRA would have loved to kill Royal Family members, you don’t know much about them.Even in Queen Victoria’s reign, the Fenians had more than one try at shooting her.

              You didn’t answer my question. Would the Greens have surveillance on terrorists and drug smugglers or not ? Or people disseminating child porn? Or gangs suspected of serious crimes ? If not, we may be thankful that they are unlikely to run the country, if they wouldn’t ‘spy on’ such people because they were citizens.

              I see nothing absurd about these questions.

              Duker, I wish that you would learn to use capitals for people’s names, and how to use apostrophes and full stops. Also to stop trolling.You have no idea what I think, so don’t make ridiculous claims.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              “I see nothing absurd about these questions.”
              QFT.

          • Ray

             /  December 19, 2018

            I think you will find that the Greens and their fellow travelers are quite happy to snoop on people who they don’t approve of (just about everyone whose is not a card carrying Green) think fishermen, farmers who have had cameras installed on their property without consent.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              I think you’ll find” – well, show is the facts, Ray. Links wouldl help your (hopeless) cause.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 19, 2018

              The IRA narrowly missed blowing up the Queen when there was a mechanical failure in a bomb near where she was opening an oil facility; unknown to BP, a worker was a Provo who had a large amount of explosives sent to him.

              They killed soldiers and horses during the Changing the Guard.

              They killed Lord Mountbatten; that blast blew in the back door of my aunt’s holiday house, and she and my mother were lucky not to have been hurt.

              You didn’t answer the question about the Greens putting terrorists, drug smugglers, child porn merchants and other such people who happen to be citizens under surveillance. I think it’s a reasonable question.

      • Blazer

         /  December 19, 2018

        no way not to the degree of..’nothing to hide..nothing to fear..’

  4. robertguyton

     /  December 19, 2018

    Elected on a promise to bring a kinder and nicer face to politics the prime minister did not quite go as far as name calling, of course . Her response was: ” It’s quite simple…..Simon”.

    But she got in trouble anyway for using Bridges’ first name, which is against the rules. She started off the response by wishing “festive greetings” to the National leader.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109445808/did-the-prime-minister-just-call-her-opponent-names

    • Gezza

       /  December 19, 2018

      It’s interesting that Speaker Mallard picked up that it was deliberate dig. I wonder whether he heard it around the traps that there was a plan for her to be a clever dick in HOW she said it, or whether (seeing he took a few seconds to rule on it) he noticed from the giggles and smirks on the faces or the Labour clown faction that she’d finally done it and seemingly got away with it.

      • robertguyton

         /  December 19, 2018

        “Giggles and smirks”? There was raucous laughter, coz it was funny. He would have, like me, heard what she said and recognised straight away that it was a wee dig. I too think that the concept had been floated earlier and others were aware of the potential for its use. It’s the kind of tease I would do. Trevor couldn’t have let it go otherwise Simon would have countered with a “Nat-funny”, “it’s simple, Jacinda”! which would have had Bennett et al rolling in the aisles!

        • Gezza

           /  December 19, 2018

          For heaven’s sake. Now you’re just embarrassing yourself. Thank goodness I’ve used up the four minutes I’ve allocated for you today.

  5. robertguyton

     /  December 19, 2018

    The Prime Minister used the first name of the Leader of the Opposition – DIRTY POLITICS !!!
    Please…

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 19, 2018

      I imagine that anyone called Simon has been hearing that particular feeble ‘joke’ since they were in their cradle. My mother’s maiden name was Sherwood, and everyone who asked about Robin Hood seemed to think that they were the first to think of it.

      The PM showed a lack of dignity as well as childish malice saying this. It’s playground level.

      • robertguyton

         /  December 19, 2018

        Un-pucker, Kitty. It was well timed and delivered well.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 19, 2018

          Puerile, feeble and tired, and not the level that one expects from a PM. People never seem to think that one has heard the mockery of one’s name thousands of times before. It’s bad manners, anyway.

          • robertguyton

             /  December 19, 2018

            Simon Bridges most likely has heard the mocking call, “Simple Simon” “thousands of times”, as you suggest and you’d have to ask yourself why, but that’s not what Jacinda said; she said, “It’s simple, Simon”. That a nuanced dig that I fear you have missed. I’m betting Simon hasn’t heard it presented that way before. That is, subtly.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 19, 2018

              I am sure that she is not the first to think of it, and she won’t be the last. There was nothing subtle about it; it’s about as subtle as a sledgehammer. Everyone called Simon is likely to have heard this childish dig before. Of course I ‘got it’. Anyone would, it was so pathetically obvious. If you think that’s subtle, I hate to think what you’d call obvious and feeble. It’s the verbal equivalent of banana skin humour. Not to mention being bloody rude.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 19, 2018

              Look it up online and you will see many, many references to this unoriginal version. It is so old that it has a grey beard longer than yours. She was probably thinking of the old “Keep It Simple, Simon’.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              [Deleted – you don’t speak for me. PG]

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Oh dear – cruisin for a bruisin there robert, Careful lad…

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              No idea what Pete’s on about.
              He’s such a sensitive man!

              [If you have no idea then a warning is no point. I don’t have the time nor inclination to deal with someone who is incapable of or refuses to comply with basic guidelines here. PG]

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              Oh yeah, something about Pete not liking people repeating memes, as Kitty has done; wonder why that irked him. He made a point of it last night.

              [I’m not irked by anything but people who waste my time,. deliberately or not. I can’t trust you to comply with requests, so I will have to baby sit your comments – and i don’t have a lot of time at the moment to do it so commet releases could take some time. PG]

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Probably you misunderstood something. I notice you do that a lot.

  6. duperez

     /  December 19, 2018

    Does anyone else find it strange that some, ostensibly moved by the justice system not working as they wish, demonstrate how they want it to work by threatening murder?

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12179289

  7. lurcher1948

     /  December 19, 2018

    My views of the Jacinda/Simon ping pong match they are also playing noughts and crosses,no one wins but”simple”Simon seems to be a one trick pony and his crusade is costing NZ heaps in parliamentary time costs.He hasn’t asked anything else in weeks,you can feel that Jacinda wants to cross the floor to tap Simon on the back of the head and say(how many times are you going to ask the same question) it’s well past tedious,and he’s mumbling more,Jacinda ask him to repeat the question as she couldn’t understand him.

  8. Blazer

     /  December 19, 2018

    oh what dark,dismal…knights…

    ‘With Fonterra being given a reprieve this year, the three worst performing NZX companies were CBL Corporation, Fletcher Building, and Metro Performance Glass.

    The three companies have one feature in common, they were all chaired by knights when they hit the proverbial wall.

    Sir John Wells was chair of CBL, Sir Ralph Norris chaired Fletcher Building and Sir John Goulter was chair of Metro Glass from its mid-2014 IPO until his November 2017 resignation’

    B.Gaynor NZH..

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 19, 2018

      Knights of the Round Table … and Knights of the Roundabout Balance Sheet …

  9. lurcher1948

     /  December 19, 2018

    PG your blog is a breath of fresh air, yesterday you did a post on all the spying undertaken by National appointed state servants so today i ran my eyes over National parties attack poodle KIWIBLOG and shock horror the hosts has only GD, Sroubek and shock horror mumbling Simon Bridges called SIMPLE SIMON, well we all know that PG dosnt like me posting what farrar passes IE his blog is a sick hate feast with NO moderation and JACINDA is better than the thick tools who post there and here right Chuck and MW

    • lurcher1948

       /  December 19, 2018

      Update,Gerry Brownlee knew about the state services spying so when Gerry glares over at the govt it makes you wonder who hes spying on to get the dirt,although it doesn’t seem to be helping Simon

  10. robertguyton

     /  December 19, 2018

    “This is shocking news for public health and intensive dairying in areas that there should not be!

    Kidney failure-causing pathogen found in Canterbury rivers”

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/environment/378607/kidney-failure-causing-pathogen-found-in-canterbury-rivers

  11. Gezza

     /  December 19, 2018

    Not often a Speaker gets that from a PM

    • lurcher1948

       /  December 19, 2018

      Shes got balls Geeza, but Sarah Huckabee is burning out from lying for mr orange Cult #45 POTUS trump
      https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sarah-huckabee-sanders-do-your-job_us_5c194c55e4b0432554c506a0

    • robertguyton

       /  December 19, 2018

      Shameless! Ruth Dyson didn’t say a word in protest!!!

    • robertguyton

       /  December 19, 2018

      God, that was painful … for Bridges – he got flayed .
      Perhaps it’s time to change your attack, SSimon (perhaps it’s time to change your leader, National!)

      • Gezza

         /  December 19, 2018

        How long did you click on the pic for, waiting for it to play, out of interest?

        • robertguyton

           /  December 19, 2018

          2 shakes of a lamb’s tail.

          • Gezza

             /  December 19, 2018

            Why does she have to ask the staff of her office if any of them had been engaged in trying to discredit Mr Sroubek’s wife? She seemed rather evasive on this matter, didn’t you think? Tried to avoid giving a direct answer the first time.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              And Chris Hipkins batted Nicki Kaye all around the park and closed it off with a wee love-in with her. The Government is totally owning the Opposition, I’m sure you’ll agree.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              Don’t know, don’t care – get a life 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Exactly. Not a good look, was it? Very John Key, I thought.

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              I wonder what Simon’s got to drop into the mix about this matter. Could be a recorded phone conversation maybe. I mean, everyone seems to be recording phone conversations these days.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              Jacinda Ardern is not John Key, Gezza and it’s interesting you posite the possibility as a slur 🙂
              She’s wayyyyyy better at this stuff than Key ever was!
              She’s going into Christmas totally dominating the House, totally dominating [deleted] and totally dominating the political scene.
              How
              good
              is
              that?

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              Bridges has … nuttin’.

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Well I guess that’s how it would seem to some people who don’t look at their respective performances objectively. But didn’t Labour drop in the last poll and National go up?

            • robertguyton

               /  December 19, 2018

              Zip.
              Zilch.
              (He’s not Zorro
              In
              fact
              he’s

              Zero.

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              I do find him rather tiresome and a bit of a plodder – and he seems to oppose nearly everything the government does on principle like Andy Little used to do which I think can eventually get up people’s noses – but he & his team have scored some pretty good hits on Labour; much better than any Little or his hapless predecessors, or Jacinda, ever did, in Opposition. Jacs will be glad of the Xmas break to try and put a lot of awkward moments behind her I reckon.

              Looking forward to the new Parliamentary Year here.

            • Gezza

               /  December 19, 2018

              Anway, I’ve gotta get down to ma’s now. We’re having her secret recipe mince on toast. So awesome. I shut all the windows to stop the neighbours smelling it & hanging round outside trying to beg some off her.

    • NOEL

       /  December 19, 2018

      Shes not facing the speaker. Harete Hipango down that way?

  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  December 19, 2018

    This is how the RMA empowers bureaucratic pricks to waste timeband money and wreck lives and common sense:
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/109449236/man-wins-boundary-dispute-with-council-but-has-to-sell-home-to-cover-cost-of-fight

  13. Blazer

     /  December 19, 2018

    amazed to hear that it costs an extra $55 to process each and every receipt from M.P’s.i.e a $16 breakfast becomes an expense of $71!!!!

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 19, 2018

      Got to pay for the Processor’s breakfast too, as well as all the folk involved in selling, selecting and buying him/her a chair to sit on, a desk to sit at and a secure computer system to play on. None of that comes cheap.