Happy Christmas to feminists

This is a negative, even nasty, column.

Lizzie Marvelly: How to survive a feminist Christmas

It’s sad to see such a bitter, grossly generalised rant. Fortunately a lot of women and men get on with living with decent ‘feminist’ principles without dragging themselves down into that level of victimhood.

Successful feminists don’t see themselves as victims, and anyone who doesn’t fit their feminist ideal as some sort of enemy that must tip toe around them on eggshells to not piss them off.

Equality is important to feminism, to an extent (we are all different, and many of us see different things in equality). In principle all of us are sort of equal – but only if we see ourselves as equal.

Marvelly seems to see herself and her brand of feminism, whatever that is, as superior, rather than of equal weight to other views on feminism.

I think Christmas works better when tolerance of differences wins over nit-picking everything that doesn’t fit some sort of impossible ideal.

This means sometimes working together on tasks, but also sometimes doing our own tasks aas we see fit as families and groups of friends and acquaintances.

It’s often not practical for house full of family to al peel an equal number of spuds, to all make an equal trifle each, or to all do an equal amount of dishes – or drink an equal amount of alcohol, or non-alcohol drinks as some prefer.

I hope that most feminists have a very happy Christmas, however they do it, and don’t get bogged down with hard-done-by-ness.

24 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  December 24, 2018

    I hope you are over thinking this PG, I read this as ironic rather than nasty.
    On the other hand I fell at the first fence, we had an exchange student here, baking special Chilean goodies for her various host parents, she was cooing over the mixer and mentioned her sister had a special beater that scraped the sides down as it worked, magic!
    So, long story short, unobtainable here, bought on Amazon, combined Xmas, birthday, Francisca going away present. We don’t do presents normally is my excuse.
    Merry Christmas to all.

    • Duker

       /  December 24, 2018

      Marvelly has/had her own online opinion site : the Title tells you all you need to know , Villainesse. She doesnt see that the real reason Herald runs her columns as click bait to catch younger female readers
      apparently she came out as ‘bisexual earlier this year – about 5 years too late.- who would have guessed.
      Im imagining the presents in her household: hiking boots for her other and opera music for her.

  2. Blazer

     /  December 24, 2018

    Xmas is just an excuse for a consumer frenzy .

  3. Gezza

     /  December 24, 2018

    Aww … I think it’s very sweet. One thing about Lizzie is that there’s always some lower level than rock bottom that she manages to achieve to get attention. At least when she goes for a pee or to check her presents under the tree the family will be able to talk about her behind her back, no doubt including whether they should continue to invite her next Christmas, or maybe they should all arrange to meet up somewhere else and not tell her?

  4. artcroft

     /  December 24, 2018

    Marvelly: a verb meaning “yawn, change the channel”

    • Duker

       /  December 24, 2018

      or as the classic joke goes : What is the most popular instrument in folk music- The off switch

  5. Missy

     /  December 24, 2018

    1. Who the hell discusses politics at Christmas??? Her suggestions on conversation are about as stupid as the FBPE lot here saying they won’t have their Leave voting relatives in the house.

    2. There is nothing wrong with Kitchen appliances for Christmas, it is usually how I get the one’s I want without having to pay for them myself, though no-one has yet got around to buying me a lovely KitchenAid stand mixer, I can always hope this is the year , though I doubt I will get it this year either.

    • Gezza

       /  December 24, 2018

      I could maybe send you a wooden spoon called a blazer if that would help?

      • Gezza

         /  December 24, 2018

        or on second thoughts, maybe not.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 24, 2018

          I certainly would not want kitchen appliances for presents, as I dislike cooking. But I can see how good cooks would love them.

          I wouldn’t mind the gorgeous Guess handbag that I saw in Strandbags, but I won’t be given that.

  6. kluelis

     /  December 24, 2018

    Not sure if this is very bad tongue in cheek, deliberate wind up to get SJW’s to bite or pretending to be the wife of the President of the alt right annual conference. Deeply dull.

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  December 24, 2018

    Marvelly – best ignored at Xmas.

    • Pink David

       /  December 24, 2018

      Is there any time of year that the best thing isn’t to ignore Marvelly? Asking for a friend…

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 24, 2018

        I skimmed the article; what a silly, stuck in the 70s, one-eyed smart-arse she is.

        How fascinating; she’s a lesbian. She’s capable of being one as a political statement as they said in the 70s. The lesbians I know don’t think that it’s the most interesting thing about them and make sure that everyone knows it.

  8. Feministmas seems a bit of a thing.

    I’m off to mow the lawn while someone else makes a pavlova. It’s just what we do, we don’t feel unequal..

    • Gezza

       /  December 24, 2018

      That all looks right to me. I agree with all that. 👍
      😮 Christ.
      I’m a bloody feminist. 😳

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 24, 2018

        It’s setting up straw men.

        Equal pay has been in since the 70s.

        Contraception is available to everyone and if someone wants to kill their unborn baby, the taxpayer will pay for them to do so.

        Nobody is forced to go on a diet.

        Fat men are also criticised.

        Accusations of victim blaming are frequently in the mind of the hearer and are, in my experience, accompanied by words and ideas being attributed to people which bear no resemblance to reality.

        Working mothers have been around forever. Working fathers have, too, and there are a lot more of them. Simply being a parent is no reason for pride; why should it be ?

        I don’t think that many people like to see a big bare tit on display, especially in a cafe, but it’s possible to breastfeed without letting it all hang out, and people do.

        Gender bias goes both ways.

        This thing seems to be 70s extreme thinking that hasn’t kept up.

        • Gezza

           /  December 24, 2018

          Precisely. None of these things are an issue for the 6th form girls I went to school with who I still meet or hear from, from time to time. They expect to be treated with equlity and respect and so they have been. Some of them have earned way more than me.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 25, 2018

            My 2nd cousin is a QC and they earn HOW MUCH ??????

            One of the 7th formers at my school became an Ambassador.

            Equality is a two-edged sword, though – I don’t think that many women would want to be forced by law to join the army. Or be equally represented in some jobs.

  9. Gezza

     /  December 24, 2018

    Why is it only unpleasant feminists who seem to get discriminated against? By everybody. Everybody likes the other ones. o_O

  10. oldlaker

     /  December 24, 2018

    The worst body-shaming comes from women criticising other women’s bodies (as well as their dress). Women have to step up and shoulder a lot of the responsibility for that particular problem. (Calling it internal misogyny is simply passing the buck.)

  11. Gezza

     /  December 24, 2018

    Well, my good friend the Christmas Fairy Supervisor at my local NW supermarket today says Lizzie Marvelly can sod off – she’s perfectly happy with being in a Fairy-In-Charge & she’s bloody earned her wings ! And nobody makes her wear them ! She just wanted to !

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