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  1. adamsmith1922

     /  December 24, 2018

    Compliments of the season to one and all

  2. David

     /  December 24, 2018

    “Both people have fully co-operated with our inquiries, and I am satisfied that they are no longer suspects in the drone incidents at Gatwick,” Detective Chief Superintendent Jason Tingley said on Sunday.”

    Absurd arrest as I said yesterday. Britain under May is turning into an international joke, with the military geared up with drone fighting gear it took 19 hours and 140,000 peoples christmas travel disrupted before the minister was forced to call in the army. The same minister who blocked new laws controlling drone use and the civilian use of drone blocking gear including at airports. My money is on an eco loon or the latest group of Gay/lesbian folk wanting to stop the hurty deportation of some rapey islamist illegal migrant…yes its actually a thing if you can wrap your mind around it.
    I travelled a few motorways over the last few years in the UK where you literally have 20 miles of cones and no one actually doing any work as they roll out their “smart” motorways where there is no hard shoulder if you blow a tyre or have a coronary. The Minister is a disgrace as is the whole Tory government.

    • lurcher1948

       /  December 24, 2018

      Allways look on the bright side of life,David don’t be a sad sack

    • Duker

       /  December 24, 2018

      Those airports around London have very vocal opposition from the locals in nearby towns.
      Absolutely no evidence of ‘eco loons’ or gay lesbians ( who probably want convicted immigrants deported like every one else) being involved . Has any ‘group’ like that taken responsibility.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 24, 2018

      Massive administrative and police fail. Heads should roll.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 24, 2018

        Preferably those of the real idiots who did it.

    • Gezza

       /  December 24, 2018

      On 1ewes at 6 the top cop in charge there said they while they can’t rule out there was no drone, they have recovered the pieces of a damaged drone at the airport fence and are forensically examining it to see what they can learn about where it was made and who the owner is.

      They are also interviewing the (35, I think) witnesses who reported sighting the drone(s), and reviewing all the video footage they have been supplied of what people say appeared to be drones.

      So I don’t think they’ve been Noddies. Altho possibly he was one for saying anything about not being able to rule out there was no drone. He was just being honest, but not very bright.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  December 24, 2018

        Holding that couple under arrest for 36 hours in the face of alibis and with little more than a false accusation makes them Noddies, let alone not finding the real culprits and having the airport closed for three days.

        • Gezza

           /  December 24, 2018

          Stop whining. If you have any information that could help them get to the bottom of this mystery just send it to them. Otherwise shut up.

  3. David

     /  December 24, 2018

    Twyford is on fire, isnt it about time all the people who climbed into National over their ptitful attempt at addressing the “housing crisis” turn their sights on the Ardern given she is 90% off her target and has done precisely zero to reform any aspect of law that creates bottlenecks.

    “Collins asked: “What housing developments announced under the KiwiBuild programme have houses that are due to be completed before July 1st 2019, listed by number of houses and name of development?”

    Twyford replied: “There have been five developments announced under the KiwiBuild programme that I am advised are due to be completed by 1 July 2019. These include 10 homes in Northlake, Wanaka, 20 homes in High Street, Lower Hutt, 19 homes in Mason Square, Otahuhu, 30 homes in McLennan, Papakura and 21 homes in Marfell, New Plymouth.”

    Who exactly thought there was a housing problem in New Plymouth, Wanaka or Lower Hutt so the tiny number of houses getting built arnt even in the right place.

  4. Blazer

     /  December 24, 2018

    for HFD…’The New Zealand banking system is not just profitable – it is hellishly profitable.”

    He said the pre-tax return on equity for the sector was in excess of 20 per cent.

    “They are a lot more profitable [here] than they are across the Tasman.”

    C.Bagrie-NZH.

    • Ray

       /  December 24, 2018

      So put your money where your mouth is and buy some banking shares!

    • David

       /  December 24, 2018

      True Blazer, arguably the worlds most profitable banking system and one where that profitability goes to another countries shareholders. Not sure how you fix it though.

      • Blazer

         /  December 24, 2018

        you change banks,thats how.

        • David

           /  December 24, 2018

          Its either the Aussie banks or banking with the state and I would never bank with the state, government has no business being in the banking business and no way I am encouraging that.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  December 24, 2018

    Meet Mickey Tronson,a staunch Trump supporter….watch as her life is destroyed and she becomes unemployable…a typical Trump deployable
    Caution,racism,drunkness and language

    • lurcher1948

       /  December 24, 2018

      Shes everywhere filmed in the American Virgin Islands which is filled with blacks

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 24, 2018

        What a charmer she is, a credit to her beliefs.

    • Gezza

       /  December 24, 2018

      Seems about the intellectual level you’d expect of a Trump voter.

    • lurcher1948

       /  December 24, 2018

      David are they drinking mates of yours, asking for a friend

      • Gezza

         /  December 24, 2018

        This friend of yours, he’s very interested in a lot of the same things you are. Do you go back far, neighbour?

    • kluelis

       /  December 24, 2018

      I do tire of selective clips which are touted as typical of “them” proving what “we” said about them is true therefore “we” are right. No doubt “they” are posting similarly selective clips abut “us” proving they are right of course. So boring.

    • The Consultant

       /  December 24, 2018

      That’s from LeBron James, hugely talented basketball player, earns gazillions of dollars, loves the Democrat Party in the USA.

      Despite having the Jew hating thing that many American Blacks have he’s guaranteed:
      – to keep all his wealth, fame and job.
      – to continue to be invited to Democrat functions to support Democrats.
      – to never be picked up by the likes of “Lurcher” as being typical of American blacks or Democrat Party members, becuase that would be “stereotyping”.

    • Blazer

       /  December 24, 2018

      just propaganda really.The base of ‘products’ is human labour.
      Capitalism takes the credit for a number of things it has nothing to do with..i.e discoveries and inventions.

      Artificial creation of ‘capital’ by a handful to enslave the many, through debt is the template.

      There is no free market and definately no fair market.

      Fractional reserve banking is a great example of usery.

      • Gezza

         /  December 24, 2018

        Interesting that China has boomed since it embraced managed capitalism.

        • Blazer

           /  December 24, 2018

          Socialism and capitalism both are theoretical constructs that have seldom been fully, honestly & faithfully instrumented; both have mostly fallen prey to the greed of their captains and kings.

          • Gezza

             /  December 24, 2018

            What’s operating any better anywhere, do you think?
            Maybe Switzerland?

            • Blazer

               /  December 24, 2018

              ‘Since that time a decade ago, the supply of cheap dollars to the global financial system has risen to unprecedented levels. The Institute for International Finance in Washington estimates the debt of households, governments, corporations and the financial sector in the 30 largest emerging markets rose to 211% of gross domestic product at the start of this year. It was 143% at the end of 2008.

              Further data from the Washington IIF indicate the scale of a debt trap that is only in early stages of detonating across the less-advanced economies from Latin America to Turkey to Asia. Excluding China, emerging market total debt, in all currencies including domestic, has nearly doubled from 15 trillion dollars in 2007 to 27 trillion dollars at end of 2017. China debt in the same time went from 6 trillion dollars to 36 trillion dollars according to IIF. For the group of Emerging Market countries, their debts denominated in US dollars has grown to some 6.4 trillion dollars from 2.8 trillion dollars in 2007. Turkish companies now owe almost 300 billion dollars in foreign-denominated debt, over half its GDP, most in dollars. Emerging markets preferred the dollar for many reasons.

              As long as those emerging economies were growing, earning export dollars at a rising rate, the debt was manageable. Now all that’s beginning to change. The agent of that change is the world’s most political central bank, the US Federal Reserve, whose new chairman, Jerome Powell, is a former partner of the spooky Carlyle Group. Arguing that the domestic US economy is strong enough that they can return US dollar interest rates to “normal,” the Fed has begun a titanic shift in dollar liquidity to the world economy. Powell and the Fed know very well what they are doing. They are ratcheting up the dollar screws to precipitate a major new economic crisis across the emerging world, most especially from key Eurasian economies such as Iran, Turkey, Russia and China.’

              Global Research-Engdhal.

            • Duker

               /  December 24, 2018

              Good example of the last national governments socialism- owning 45% of Chorus and lending them about a billion to build the fibre optic system, where they pay back very low interest loans with money from the fibre optic system, plus the install for home owners is paid for by the taxpayer – may hundreds $ for each install to the house.
              All the while selling off their stake in power companies to enhance their free market cred – only half selling
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10727762
              [2011]Chorus to be partially government-owned indefinitely

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 24, 2018

              If they didn’t, we’d see the so-called “Free Market” for what it really is …

            • Gezza

               /  December 24, 2018

              Righto. It’s a conspiracy. Thanks. That simplifies matters. 👍

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 24, 2018

              What’s your other ‘Default Setting’ aside from ‘Dismissive’ Gezza …?

              I didn’t say “conspiracy”, although it is one in a similar way that hard-core socialism is … an unpracticed and impractical ideology …

              No, what I meant was that without our present governments’ [of any ilk] forms of ‘socialism’ the “free market” would drive down wages beyond subsistence level, drive up unemployment into the 20+%ages … and a raft of other things which would probably lead to civil unrest and possible ‘revolution’ …

              Austere social welfare, government procurement and the like are the fingers in the dyke of neoliberalism without which the dyke would collapse.

            • Gezza

               /  December 24, 2018

              What’s your other ‘Default Setting’ aside from ‘Dismissive’ Gezza …?

              Um. I was replying to Blazer. How the fuck was I supposed to know you were going to just barge in like that ! :/

            • Gezza

               /  December 24, 2018

              @ Blazer

              The world is living on increasing amounts of ephemeral money created out of nothing by speculation and backed only by confidence. Confidence that more ephemeral money will be forever available, it seems to me.

      • Gerrit

         /  December 24, 2018

        Blazer said “The base of ‘products’ is human labour.”

        Not totally true.

        The base of all ‘products’ is the customer demand.

        Without demand there is no ‘product’.
        Without demand there is no need for labour.
        Without demand there is no need for capital.

        Demand comes before the supply of both capital (to finance the ‘product’ development, manufacturing plant and inventory) and labour (to produce the goods and services in demand).

        • PartisanZ

           /  December 24, 2018

          Wow … Gerrit … you’ve taken the ‘bait’ hook, line and sinker haven’t you …?

          You don’t think ‘demand’ can be created or manufactured?

          What’s the ginormous global advertising and PR industry all about then?

          • Gerrit

             /  December 24, 2018

            I guess my common sense view of how the world of commerce operates is not in your understanding of the world.

            You can pump capital into any ‘product’, have labour make it and sales staff market it

            If the consumer is not interested, it will not sell.

            Called market forces.

            You are obvious of the believe that the consumer will buy anything and everything that is placed in front of them.

            Have a Ford Edsell for you to buy.

            Made and marketed with all the hype the advertising agents and PR companies could throw at the consumer.

            Sales were a flop.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 24, 2018

              But … but … but … They sold us the fossil fuel powered, internal combustion engine “motor car” made of pressed steel … when we could have had the electric-motor powered, rechargeable, hemp-bodied “horseless carriage” …

              I’ve got a huge red warehouse full of stuff to sell you Gerrit … one in nearly every town in NZ … proving the “customer will buy [nearly] anything and everything placed in front of them …

              Your ONE Edsell exception almost proves the rule!

            • Gezza

               /  December 24, 2018

              They sold us the fossil fuel powered, internal combustion engine “motor car” made of pressed steel … when we could have had the electric-motor powered, rechargeable, hemp-bodied “horseless carriage”

              Well, you probably still can, but how much is it going to cost you if they all have to be custom-made?

            • Gerrit

               /  December 24, 2018

              Yep my last purchase at the red shed was 4 long sleeved t shirts for a total of $40.

              They anticipated the market need, provided the capital to stock the long sleeved T shirts and paid the labour to sell it to me.

              No other retailer I could find stocked the loose fitting long sleeved T shirts I was looking for.

              Driving around in pre air con and good suntan lotions days with the window down and the arm resting on the door caused numerous skin cancers that now means I need to protect sensitive skin with long sleeves when out in the sun.

              You have a conflicting notion of not being able to distinguish between needs and wants.

              The consumer (market) is driven by needs not wants.

              Your notion is that the consumer only follows their wants. I suggest they understand their needs better than their wants and purchase in the market accordingly.

              Capital will provide their customers needs IF they purchase. If they dont, the market wont manufacture, stock or employ labour to sell.

              Sipping on a single malt (purchased because of a want not need) for an early bedtime. Grandchildren’s bid day tomorrow.

              Have a enjoyable Christmas that satisfies your wants. See you later.

            • Gezza

               /  December 24, 2018

              Driving around in pre air con and good suntan lotions days with the window down and the arm resting on the door caused numerous skin cancers that now means I need to protect sensitive skin with long sleeves when out in the sun.

              Far out. I got 3 of them for nothing this weekend. I didn’t know there was such a thing so I carefully cut the long neck off 3 10-year-old turtle necked shirts that I never wore cos they got too hot if you were ever exerting yourself. They cut cleanly at the seam and I figured I’m a winner.

        • Blazer

           /  December 24, 2018

          food,water,shelter can be termed product…demand for them is inherent in humans.

    • Duker

       /  December 24, 2018

      Chinese communists have proven that theory spectacular wrong …

      The nz roading system, electricity system, original phone system was built by the state and local authorities.
      The actual answer is that sucessful economies are mixed system, which vary in how mixed they are.

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 24, 2018

        The “middle way” between capitalism and socialism …

        There’s lots of things we haven’t even tried yet though eh …?

        Like full-fledged Socialism and rampant Capitalism operating concurrently using a ‘split’ or two separate currencies …

        Working title: The “Go For Broke” system …

        [Not all that much different from a flat tax regime in our present austere welfare system actually, except without the austerity. Like if everyone just agreed that in order to fund our ‘First World’ lifestyle and essential (agreed) social services means everyone pays 25% of their income to the State … or equivalent ratio of income & wealth? No loopholes]

        Or currency with an ‘Expiry Date’ so you have to spend it within a certain time and it can’t be stored up as capital …

        The “Best Before” system …?

        • Gezza

           /  December 24, 2018

          I think at the smaller scale that’s called flatting?

  6. Blazer

     /  December 24, 2018

    Chorus left to its own free market devices became a basket case.
    Had to be rescued with taxpayers money…as usual.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 24, 2018

      You deserved the old post office, B. And Chorus is heavily regulated not operating in a free market. B.s. on, B.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  December 24, 2018

    Fellow poster beware when you go out on the turps,it happens….drive safely and keep posting,
    Yesterday I went to a Christmas party. I had a few beers, followed by a few cocktails, followed by a few shots….
    I still had the sense to know that I was over the limit. That’s when I decided to do what I have never done before: I took a cab home.
    Sure enough, there was a police road block on the way home, and since it was a cab, they waved it past. I arrived home safely without incident. This was both a great relief and a surprise because I had never driven a cab before. I don’t even know where I got it from and, now that it is in my garage, I don’t know what to do with it.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  December 24, 2018


    They can look after themselves

  9. lurcher1948

     /  December 24, 2018


    My Life

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 24, 2018

      I like the one with the dog saying “I’m so glad that you’re home/Somebody pooped in the hall.’

    • lurcher1948

       /  December 24, 2018

      Been down this road,

  10. Kitty Catkin

     /  December 24, 2018

    Jacinda Ardern pulished a recipe for marshmallow balls in the Herald. If the mere idea wasn’t disgusting enough, the ingredients include sweetened condensed milk, brown sugar and crushed sweet biscuits…she wants Neve to learn to make this treat. Pass the bucket.

    • Gezza

       /  December 24, 2018

      Jacinda Ardern pulished a recipe for marshmallow balls in the Herald
      And she’s not even married either !
      Is there no end to her degeneracy ?? 😡

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 24, 2018

        Only a degenerate person would eat them. Brown sugar, marshmallows, biscuits, sweetened condensed milk and other sickly things…utterly nauseating. Good healthy fare, I don’t think. How hungry would you have to be to eat such muck ?

  11. PartisanZ

     /  December 24, 2018

    “Equally feared and reviled, controversial even before they were first imported in 1987 despite opposition from the SPCA, [American] Pit Bulls have a notorious public image. Which only adds to their appeal to a certain demographic.”

    Took a bit of finding but YES … the arrival and rapid expansion of dangerous and menacing dog breeds went hand-in-hand with Rogerednomics … Their importation essentially got “privatized” …

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3955666/Pitbulls-Unleashing-hell

    “There are now about 7000 registered American Pit Bull terriers in New Zealand, with perhaps two to three times that number of unofficial lookalikes from the proliferation of “puppy mills” providing cheap dogs to keen owners. Purebred dogs might sell for up to $1500, puppy-milled ones for $50. Pit Bull bloodlines run deep into the local dog population.”

    I don’t know what the nature/nurture proportions are. I doubt anyone does. There is no doubt much culpability lies with owners and backyard breeders …

    Just saying, that’s all. There is a clear correlation between neoliberalism and an increasing number of dog attacks in Aotearoa New Zealand.

    Any moves by lawmakers to address the problem – as Lower Saxony in Germany has done by licensing, testing and monitoring dog owners like car and firearms owners – brings out New Zealand’s equivalent of the National Rifle Association in force … so-called responsible dog owners … who smooth the way for the feckless owners and unlicensed breeders to continue unabated …

  12. kluelis

     /  December 24, 2018

    I love Jacinda. best PM we have ever had.

    • Gezza

       /  December 24, 2018

      Well if you’re doing if too often & The First Bloke finds out you are gonna be in deep shit, bud.