Pope urges simpler lest materialistic life – for others

RNZ:  Pope calls for more compassion towards the poor

In his traditional Christmas Eve Mass, the Pope has urged people in the developed world to seek a simpler, less materialistic life and condemned the increasing gap between rich and poor.

“Let us ask ourselves: ‘Do I really need all these material objects and complicated recipes for living? Can I manage without all these unnecessary extras and live a life of greater simplicity?'” Pope Francis said.

“In our day, for many people, life’s meaning is found in possessing, in having an excess of material objects. An insatiable greed marks all human history, even today, when, paradoxically, a few dine luxuriantly while all too many go without the daily bread needed to survive,” he said.

Somewhat ironic given the excessive opulence of St Peter’s Basilica and the Vatican.

Pope Francis celebrates a mass on Christmas eve.

He didn’t say he would sell the huge gold candlesticks behind him and give the proceeds to the poor.

Pope Francis, the first pope from Latin America, has made defending the poor a hallmark of his papacy.

Another person who gets into a position of influence and power and talks the talk, but symbolises a walk in a different direction.

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  1. Ray

     /  December 26, 2018

    A bit typical of these type of do gooders, “do as we say, not as we do”.
    The Green Party leaders are a prime example but the charities who claim to be doing good but use up to 80% of their income on expenses are no better!
    As for Greenpeace.
    https://www.biggreenradicals.com/group/greenpeace/

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    • Griff.

       /  December 26, 2018

      ROFL

      It has alienated many of its original founders leading to numerous high level defections, most notably co-founder Patrick Moore: “Ultimately, a trend toward abandoning scientific objectivity in favor of political agendas forced me to leave Greenpeace in 1986.”

      This is Patrick Moore demonstrating scientific Un objectivity in favor of commercial agendas.
      AKA paid to lie.

      Your link is nothing but hippy punching industry funded propaganda.

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      • Pink David

         /  December 26, 2018

        Infidels must burn!

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        • Griff.

           /  December 26, 2018

          Patrick Moore is a crank.
          Trotted out to confuse those who fail critical thinking 101.
          Dont ya think its funny the same guy who claims some sort of scientific integrity is pawned for blatantly bullshiting for money?
          I know I do .

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    • Gezza

       /  December 26, 2018

      Aww … come on Ray – apart from those 3 Catholic nutters who did a million taxpayers’ bucks worth of damage to the dome at Waihopai for no useful purpose at all, & who might or might not have been Greenies because they looked like them, WTF have the Greens got to do with the bloody Pope !

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  2. Gezza

     /  December 26, 2018

    The Papacy is now little more than a sick joke. The revelations of the misdeeds of the Catholic hierarchy & its business operations of the past few decades has left the reputation & authority of the Pope as any kind of moral leader or arbiter in shreds & Popes, including this one are increasingly just ignored. It was significant indeed that at his recent, most important, public appearance in Dublin, Eire, hardly anybody showed up.

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    • Duker

       /  December 26, 2018

      hardly anyone ? Was almost 200,000 ?
      yes it wasnt going to get the million on the first ever visits by a pope in 1979 by John Paul.
      But thats 40 years ago and Ireland is very different now , not so catholic

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      • Gezza

         /  December 26, 2018

        UNDER 130,000 PEOPLE attended the Phoenix Park this afternoon for a Mass celebrated by Pope Francis, according to initial estimates.

        Around 500,000 tickets for the Mass were made available by organisers in July, but considerably fewer than that showed up for the event, which marked the end of the Catholic Church’s World Meeting of Families.

        https://www.thejournal.ie/papal-mass-phoenix-park-crowd-size-4202680-Aug2018/

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        • Duker

           /  December 26, 2018

          Official numbers of 150,000 still isnt ‘hardly no one. Your ‘initial estimate’ was a bit low on the final numbers.

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          • Gezza

             /  December 26, 2018

            As your comment is not correct and does not fit my narrative I regret to inform you I remain resolute in rejecting it.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 26, 2018

              My mother brought back a souvenir of the 1979 Papal Visit. My stepfather nearly died when he saw it. I can’t remember if it was hung in their house when they had a house together, which they didn’t then.

  3. kluelis

     /  December 26, 2018

    But like the Queens message even the poor expect a palacious back drop. Still t’would be interesting if Queen Elizabeth rode around in Dell Boys Reliant and the Pope got round in a Donkey cart like Jesus and his whanau did. 🙂

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 26, 2018

      Jesus never rode in a donkey cart, at least not in the Bible.

      Palacious ? Do you mean palatial, perchance ?

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      • kluelis

         /  December 26, 2018

        Actually they traveled around in cars in Jesus’ time. “And after the supper the disciples left in one accord” (Honda) from { New testament Book of Martinus 4-6.} To be fair Jesus never existed and the Bible is all bollocks but any way. Palacious is an earlier forme sirca 16th sentry.

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  4. kluelis

     /  December 26, 2018

    The next Pope to be a woman?

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    • Gezza

       /  December 26, 2018

      Trans woman maybe. Big ask though. He’d have to say nothing on first election & organise it afterwards.

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    • @kluelis

      it works for Dr Who ! 😀

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    • Duker

       /  December 26, 2018

      No .
      Only pre-requisite is to be ordained priest. Theres your problem.
      In reality that only vote for existing cardinals- who are all ordained priests. The next step down from priests is deacons and then there are religious brothers who would have to become a priest first. |However the Church has had ‘lay cardinals’ who werent priests or bishops
      It would be a bit easier for a nun to become a cardinal as they arent just another rank of priest- bishop- arch bishop but a separate group , originally were ‘bouncers’ on the door to meetings hence the name cardo , latin for ( door) hinge.
      Canon law now requires a dispensation for those cardinals who arent already bishops – or who otherwise cant be created ‘nominal bishops’ ie dont have a real diocese.

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  5. kluelis

     /  December 26, 2018

    Would Catholicism die if Priests and Nuns were permitted to marry/have partners?

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    • Gerrit

       /  December 26, 2018

      Nuns are theoretically married. To Christ.

      Make of that what you will.

      I don’t imagine that the nuns marriage, or the priest celibacy, in anyway prepares them to emphasise with today’s (or any past days) experiences the “flock” might endure.

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    • Gezza

       /  December 26, 2018

      Interesting question. It would completely destroy probably their most strongly-held element of Church dogma. Without the 250 odd items of dogma (not in The Bible as ordained by Jesus, but you MUST affirm and believe them because the Pope is the latest of the line of direct successors to St Peter and such pronouncements are inspired by the Holy Spirit and thus infallible).

      Once that happened the declining number of Western Catholics might as shift over to Protestant Churches because The One True Church would be admitting dogma is fallible.

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  6. Zedd

     /  December 26, 2018

    hearing this B-S is like ‘the Queens Xmas one’.. If they read the bible they would know the Papal seat is the throne of the antichrist !! oh dear……

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  7. Blazer

     /  December 26, 2018

    no.3…what an example..

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  8. Gezza

     /  December 26, 2018

    I’ve gotta back to ma’s later becoz her over-the-road neighbour Jim came & invited us over there for afternoon tea. I haven’t met him before; ma says his back yard garden is lovely. He introduced himself & he had a Northern Irish accent & he said he’s just got back from Belfast. I need to check him out & find out if he’s one of us, or one of them! 😕

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    • Gezza

       /  December 26, 2018

      What a character. He’s a prod – Church of Ireland, but he’s been in NZ for 67 years & said he “left all that baggage behind him the minute he got off the boat!” As far as he’s concerned he’s Irish, loves the Celtic language, was recently made a Life Member of the Wellington Irish Society, has an Irish passport (said the Irish Government will issue them to anyone born in Ireland as it doesn’t recognise the border). What a character. We got into his brandy once I mixed one with coke for him to try. He’s interested in militaria and history & has a GSOH.

      His wife’s a Kiwi but because she’s married to him, she’s just scored an Irish passport too. Great couple.

      Ma says him n me didn’t shut up the whole 2 hours of our visit.

      I loved this Northern Irish Dialect Translator; it was on their wall. 😀

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