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1 January 2019

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  January 1, 2019

    Happy New Year everyone and you PG

    • PDB

       /  January 1, 2019

      You too Lurch – may you, your wife and your dogs go well.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 1, 2019

        Fido sends wuffs to RED, Talullah and Jess.

  2. kluelis

     /  January 1, 2019

    I love Jacinda our delightful Prime Minister

    • Gezza

       /  January 1, 2019

      Just as well. Some people don’t – like this Kiwifirewalker chap:

      “Behind that heavily manufactured image of a young, smiling, millennial mother the Prime Minister is just another scumbag politician who will do whatever it takes to protect and promote her own (and her friends) while doing little else as the scandals start to pile up and the real issues continue to burn the country down.

      But how did things change so drastically? How did the revolutionary fervor of the 2017 election, with its message of transformation away from the Neo Liberal nightmare get deflected into this endless stupor of denied expectations and ministerial and managerial incompetence?

      A good starting point for that question is the slick presentation by Jacinda and Winston recently to reassure the public that the revolution was still on track.

      The contents of said presentation, done hurriedly to assure the public that a) Winston was not really running the show; b) that Jacinda was an effective leader and c) that this government (Labour led or Coalition notwithstanding) actually had an agenda and were sticking to it, were 12 priorities for moving the country forward which was referred to by the Jacinda as “Our Plan”.

      Our Plan? Lets look at “Our”plan shall we.
      Grow and share New Zealand’s prosperity more fairly
      Support thriving, sustainable regions
      Govern responsibly
      Transition to a clean, green carbon-neutral New Zealand
      Ensure everyone who is able to is earning, learning, caring or volunteering
      Support healthier, safer and more connected communities
      Ensure everyone has a warm, dry home
      Make New Zealand the best place in the world to be a child
      Deliver open, transformative and compassionate government
      Build closer partnerships with Māori
      Value who we are as a country
      Create an international reputation we can be proud of
      Stop and think about the above list for a moment, and try to imagine who, or what, was in charge when the name “Our Plan” was decided upon because the priorities themselves are a grab bag of feel good slogans and mindlessly obtuse platitudes on a list that looks exactly like it was ripped right from the white board in what could only have been an extremely panicky brainstorming session in the wake of the the ongoing bad press the government has been getting.

      Now compare that list of lite weight political soundbites with the much more meaty fare on offer in the original coalition agreement from October last year which included clear directions on housing (establish a Housing Commission), law and order (1800 new police officers, increased funding and a Criminal Cases Review Commission), the environment (moving to being emissions free, a climate commission and alternatives to 1080), immigration (cutting down on low skill workers and migrant exploitation) and even smaller things like a commitment to build a Maori Battalion museum and a free trade agreement with Russia.

      One of those lists shows a sense of direction and plans on how to get there while the other reeks of having been desperately pulled out of ones sweaty arsehole in the wake of bad press. Which one do you think is which?”

      • Duker

         /  January 1, 2019

        gee . The fringe marxists arent a happy lot

        • PDB

           /  January 1, 2019

          Cheer up Duker, things can only be better for you this year.

    • PDB

       /  January 1, 2019

      “I love Jacinda our delightful Prime Minister” – being Kluelis this isn’t a surprise.

      As for Kiwifirewalker – the realities of governance in a coalition arrangement is that you can’t always get everything you promised pre-election HOWEVER lets face it, Labour isn’t really trying too hard to get the so-called ‘revolution’ underway (clinging on to power whilst the economy continues to do well is their goal), they also gave up far too much to Winston during Coalition talks and their flagship policies such as Kiwibuild & 1st year fees-free study were so poorly thought out they were always doomed to fail hence why have faith in any of their other policies.

      • Gezza

         /  January 1, 2019

        Well, maybe they can’t say the 1st year fees-free study thing was a failure until we see what happens next year. And I seem to recall one of them (maybe Jenny Salesa?) claiming on ‘t telly that there was an increase in uptake of trade training as a result of it – although I never saw any figures to back that up.

        This last year was the year I gave up on NewShub Nation & Q&A. I watched them decline in useful value over the previous year and just couldn’t be bothered as their format I think is hopeless.

        If either channel comes up with a debate format I might take an interest again, but man the political tv reporting in this country is so damn trivial now I mainly watch it to see how bad it is.

        • PDB

           /  January 1, 2019

          Depends how you look at the 1st year fees-free thing I suppose?

          If it was set up as a cynical attempt to bribe election votes from the largest amount of students (which making the last year fees-free wouldn’t have achieved) then it could be a raging success regardless of the actual educational/ social value of such a policy.

          • Gezza

             /  January 1, 2019

            Jacinda has set herself up & markets well to pick up the young mums and twenty-something female votes, she is also going to continue to keep hold of the Maori vote.

            I’m not sure how high a proportion of the young male vote she’ll collect – but she’ll continue to score highly with the idealistic, ill-informed, intellectually lazy, historically ignorant & easily influenced segments of the voting public – who’ll be mostly younger voters, and all the other Left stalwarts.

            It’s probably going enuf to get Labour back in power, but it depends on what National can come up with between now and 2020. And they better come up with someone other than Simon – either that, or he’ll have to have a total personality transplant before then – which personally I reckon his body would reject.

            But you never know.

            Jacinda never had to have any kind of makeover, such as Simon would need to be likeable. She always just oozed warm and fuzzy and basically did bugger all else, and just enuf people were sick of national and just enuf female reporters wanted to create a phenomenon to get Labour and NZF in the door.

            National does have some good performers & they sure managed to rip the gloss off Jacinda, but I don’t think they’re impressing on the policy front yet.

            • Gezza

               /  January 1, 2019

              That Kiwifirewalker got it right: Jacindamania is a personality cult. A created one. Against that, someone with no likeable personality – like Simon – can’t compete. But if anyone from the Left wanted to argue Labour’s electoral success is down to anything more than the Jacindamania personality cult, you only have to imagine pulling her out of the mix and think what the next electoral result would be like without her.

            • Gezza

               /  January 1, 2019

              Or, more tellingly, what the LAST one would have been like without her.

            • PDB

               /  January 1, 2019

              Hard to predict this far out but if the economy turns then all bets are off, even with the Ardern magic dust.

              After all this govt is struggling even now to keep strikes in check, paying for all their election promises etc with large tax takes/ surpluses. How will they cope if the money dries up? Time is ripe now to start paying down our debt but if the worst occurs they will have to borrow more and/or tax us more even though due to tax bracket creep most of us are paying too much tax already.

            • Duker

               /  January 1, 2019

              That was the same viewpoint that had Hilary Clinton in bad health… Bad things will happen if you wish hard enough

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 1, 2019

              The young mothers are not all so silly that they think that there’s much resemblance between her life and theirs. People have worked out that she is a p/t PM on a f/t wage.

              Mr Primary Caregiver-daddy seems to have tired of it quite soon. Gone fishing again, leaving the nanas as free babysitters.

    • PDB

       /  January 1, 2019

      Whaleoil have been pretty lame for a long time now. Why people still post there, or give Slater money is a mystery to me.

      • Duker

         /  January 1, 2019

        Wonder how his meat shop is going
        Pity the mad butcher name is already taken

    • Gezza

       /  January 1, 2019

      Actually I quite like that. That will work FOR her, not against her. WTF were they thinking? 😀

      • Gezza

         /  January 1, 2019

        She looks very nice. Although I am looking forward to seeing Kitty’s fashion critique 😉

        • Duker

           /  January 1, 2019

          Not quite as ostentatious as the just about the waterline in his mansions pool….but I do remember inside photos weren’t allowed. .. that the same rules for baby Neve.
          Instead we got wall to wall Max instead

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 1, 2019

            Hardly John Key’s fault that the press did that.

            That painting is too chocolate-box for words. It also looks like the cover for a really bad historical novel, one by someone like Danielle Steel. The kind of book that, if that was all one had to read on a desert island, one would jump into the sea and drown or be eaten by sharks rather than read.

            She looks as if her neck’s been dislocated.

            • Gezza

               /  January 1, 2019

              Yes yes but what about her dress? Don’t you think that looks nice?

        • lurcher1948

           /  January 1, 2019

          They should do a Simon Bridges,CHURCHILL pantomime shot.. Simon without the mumbling…NAH

  3. Patzcuaro

     /  January 1, 2019
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 1, 2019

      Jacinda appeals to Everywoman’s fantasy of ruling the roost – until it all turns to custard.

      • Gezza

         /  January 1, 2019

        Don’t see why that should be a problem. When it all turns to custard it’s almost always a man’s fault. Look at Jami-Lee.

        • Gezza

           /  January 1, 2019

          See what I mean?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 1, 2019

            That cartoon is just ridiculous. The idea that women bear the entire burden of the world is absurd.

            • Gezza

               /  January 1, 2019

              Yeah but I’ll bet those tossers blame that on her being in the way.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 1, 2019

              The cartoon is making women victims and men selfish…one would hope that that idea would have died out by now.

            • Gezza

               /  January 1, 2019

              When actually it’s probably that blonde’s fault for their not looking straight ahead.

  4. Gezza

     /  January 1, 2019

    YNZ READER AND POSTER SURVEY

    Do you think Pookden Manor’s pukekos are quite cute?

    Yes – uptick
    No – downtick

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 1, 2019

      Bugger. I never downtick.

      • Gezza

         /  January 1, 2019

        Good man. I’ve put in an uptick for you instead.

        Tomorrow the survey will be which eel do you think would make a better prime minister than simon bridges.

  5. Gezza

     /  January 1, 2019

    Interesting.

    As the amount of red meat Kiwis eat shrinks, hospitalisations for iron deficiency anaemia are on the rise. And it’s costing millions.

    The cost of hospitalisations – primarily due to iron deficiency anaemia – has crept up from an annual $3.2 million to $6.7m over the past 10 years, according to Ministry of Health figures released under the Official Information Act. Over the past three years, MOH has spent close to $20m for treatment.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/108767316/more-spent-on-low-iron-hospitalisations-as-meat-intake-declines

    I still prefer to eat meat as my best source of easily absorbed iron. In fact if meat’s missing from my main meals I don’t feel like I’ve had enuf to eat. The only substitutes that work well for me are either fish or mushrooms.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 1, 2019

      I can’t bring myself to eat carcases, I’ll risk anaemia rather than eat pieces of corpses.

  6. Griff.

     /  January 1, 2019

    Just felt an earth quake here in the far north.

    Weak earthquake (6 minutes ago)

    Tue Jan 1 2019 4:56 PM
    Magnitude: 3.8
    Depth: 20 km
    45 km north-east of Auckland

    Highly unusual only the second time I have felt one up here.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 1, 2019

      Didn’t feel it up here.

      • Gezza

         /  January 1, 2019

        Not surprised.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 1, 2019

          Actually Mrs Al did feel it sitting at her desk and says it shook slightly for 30 secs or so. I was on the couch and didn’t feel anything.

    • Gezza

       /  January 1, 2019

      Tiddler. Wouldn’t even rate a mention elsewhere. You got any volcanos?

      • Griff.

         /  January 1, 2019

        Umm not many at all.
        Unless you count all the big hills around like Whangarei heads, the hen and chicken islands and all the mountain range my road is named after. ( I live on the imaginatively named mountain rd)
        The quake was about half way between Little barrier a volcano and the Coromandel a long series of volcanoes .
        Will not have anything to do with volcanoes just because its surrounded by them.
        We hope.

    • Gezza

       /  January 1, 2019

      Where’s your data come from Griff? It’s not showing on Geonet when I just had a look.

      • Griff.

         /  January 1, 2019

        https://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums
        Waipu caves is the closest to me here.

        • Gezza

           /  January 1, 2019

          Interesting. They’re listing a 3.4 Weak earthquake (23 hours ago)
          Mon Dec 31 2018 5:43 PM
          Magnitude: 3.4
          Depth: 17 km
          20 km east of Waipukurau

          but not this one. Wonder if someone’s not on duty to manually approve a listing.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  January 1, 2019

        The cock phesant let out a strangled sounding croak up here in the Far North… sign of an earth quake some where.

    • Duker

       /  January 1, 2019

      updated location and intensity
      Tue Jan 1 2019 4:55 PM
      Magnitude: 4.1
      Depth: 5 km
      60 km east of Whangarei

      the very shallow depth meant its not felt widely but it would be a jolt for those around Whangarei

      • Duker

         /  January 1, 2019

        roughly the location of the Mokohinau islands..likely they are volcanic remnants

        • Duker

           /  January 1, 2019

          an after shock about half an hour later
          Tue Jan 1 2019 5:33 PM
          Magnitude: 2.5
          Depth: 5 km
          60 km east of Whangarei

      • Griff.

         /  January 1, 2019

        Felt the light after shock
        I am at the bach which is high on poles so probably is more sensitive to shocks.

  7. PDB

     /  January 1, 2019

  8. I’ve seen some weird things written about me elsewhere, but this is one of the more unusual comments from ‘Sacha’:

    I think we have already had this conversation. My belief is undiagnosed autism spectrum disorder affects your comprehension and conversational style and pushes buttons in others. Personally, I have adjusted my expectations accordingly and the world is a happier place.

    https://thestandard.org.nz/discussion-on-political-leader-pr/#comment-1567113

    I have asked why this only seems to really manifest itself at The Standard.

    • PDB

       /  January 1, 2019

      Not sure why you still bother going there PG? Maybe avoid the place more often as a New Year’s resolution. Gotta be better for your mental health.

      • It’s not a problem for my mental health. It seems to ‘push buttons’ with some at The Standard. Maybe people who frequent there are particularly susceptible to having their buttons pushed by someone with undiagnosed autism spectrum disorder.

        • Griff.

           /  January 1, 2019

          FWIW
          http://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php
          It is reasonably comprehensive.
          ‘I doupt you will score highly.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 1, 2019

          I suspect people who frequent there are also particularly susceptible to having their buttons pushed by someone without undiagnosed autism spectrum disorder.

    • Gezza

       /  January 1, 2019

      Hang on I’ll have a look.

    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  January 1, 2019

      There do seem to be quite a few pseudopsychodiagnosers lurking on blogs.
      Anyway, as Oscar wrote:

      “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”

      • Gezza

         /  January 1, 2019

        Some of them are quite good at it. BM seems to have both the correct diagnosis and what seems like a suitable treament.

        https://thestandard.org.nz/discussion-on-political-leader-pr/#comment-1567148

        • Gezza

           /  January 1, 2019

          Oh. I see the moderator got there quickly.

          “Ignore Guyton, he’s an utter fuckwit who needs to be punched in the face repeatedly.” seems to have scored BM a ban early in the New Year.

          I wouldn’t say that’s advocating violence. He could mean robert should self-medicate?

          • PDB

             /  January 1, 2019

            The punching of the face was over-the-top & deserving of the ban but Robert is an “utter fuckwit”.

            • Gezza

               /  January 1, 2019

              He won’t be the only person reading Guyton’s endless vacuous 10-year-old’s-level twittering to have that thought run through their mind. One assumes his other regional councillors and the voting public are blithely unaware of what he’s like online. Christ knows what happens to him when he gets onto blogs. He regresses to childhood in an instant.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 1, 2019

              He might be intelligent just disguised as an utter fuckwit but the disguise is very convincing.

            • Corky

               /  January 2, 2019

              ”One assumes his other regional councillors and the voting public are blithely unaware of what he’s like online.”

              Yay!!! I’ve waited awhile for someone to make that observation. And not without some trepidation…. it shows how non-existent we are to ”normal people.”🙄

          • Gezza

             /  January 1, 2019

            I often wonder how various posters on that blog would fare if it was opened up for up and downticks from posters and readers, like YNZ is.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 1, 2019

        I think that Oscar Wilde might have changed his mind about that later, Maggy.