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5 January 2019

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  January 5, 2019

    A HUGE failure by the rightwing GOP to smear Alexandria Acasio-Cortez.Shes their commie chick in their rightwing eyes

  2. Corky

     /  January 5, 2019

    Here’s one for Parti.

    Winston is a Roundeye living in China. He married a Chinese sheila who is a doctor. He makes very interesting videos about Chinese culture while walking the streets of Chinese cities dressed in a business suit and filming himself with a selfie wand.

    He has been marked for assassination by Chinese nationals ( who he describes as being thick as pigshit). He has his own hate page on Chinese social media. The authorities have little interest in reining these nationals in.

    He claims China saved his life. Being an English speaking expat South African, he belonged to a very small minority in SA. He suffered much racism when apartheid was abolished, and he shows clips of crime in his home country..even one of his parents home being invaded.

    Blacks blame Whitey for all their problems. Liberals agree. Sounds familiar. I have heard similar before.

    He relates this while again walking through city streets.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 5, 2019

      Roundeye is not a term used by Chinese people; it was an invention by Westerners in an attempt to make the Chinese seem racist. In other words, it’s an urban myth that it’s a Chinese expression.

      How many people have round eyes in reality ?

      • Corky

         /  January 5, 2019

        Yeah, no. I will stick with what I know and what Winston speaks about. There’s nothing you can add to this conversation.

        I said nothing about it being a Chinese expression. Chinese prefer the term ”dog” from what I know.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 5, 2019

          You have used it often in a way that makes it obvious that you did believe it. If Winston (Peters ?) says it, it doesn’t mean anything.

          Chinese prefer ‘dog’ from what you know ? That shows that you know very little.

          I am afraid that posters on blogs can’t dictate who does and doesn’t speak.

          • Corky

             /  January 5, 2019

            ”You have used it often in a way that makes it obvious that you did believe it. If Winston (Peters ?) says it, it doesn’t mean anything.”

            Those comments are why I consider you a troll. And a waste of space. Instead of wasting your time on me why don’t you contribute something.

            Yes, Roundeye is a generic term used by many Asians ( and Chinese) – don’t believe everything you look up on the internet.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 5, 2019

          You must have missed the fact that dogs are one of the Chinese zodiac signs.

          • Corky

             /  January 5, 2019

            I have a zodiac pendant with a ram engraved on it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 5, 2019

              That proves nothing except that you were born in the Year of the Sheep. Sheep, not ram.

            • Corky

               /  January 5, 2019

              ”That proves nothing.”

              Quite true. Has the penny dropped? Or is it still stuck in the slot along with many other pennies that also haven’t dropped.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 5, 2019

              I see clearly now Corky is an Aries …the ram I am

            • Corky

               /  January 5, 2019

              ”Aries, the sign of the Ram.”

              Another penny drops?

            • Corky

               /  January 5, 2019

              I see clearly now Corky is an Aries …the ram I am.

              Just the reply I needed at this time, PP. Thankyou.

            • Corky

               /  January 5, 2019

              Oh , I forgot. I’m not an Aries. I just said I had a pendant with a ram engraved on it

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 5, 2019

      Can’t imagine what this has to do with me?

      Do I blame Whitey for all Maori problems? No … Although Whitey is certainly responsible for some of them …

      Do I blame Whitey for all Whitey’s problems …. ?

      Who’s to blame for all Whitey’s problems ….?

      Your search for confirmation bias must be endless Corky?

      • Corky

         /  January 5, 2019

        Aren’t we Mr Middle Ground today, Parti. Let’s see how long that lasts.

        ”Your search for confirmation bias must be endless Corky?”

        Well, either SA and other African states are better off under black rule, or they are not. What do the facts say? Maybe Winston was making shit up?

        Either Maori are better off under introduced European democratic processes, or they are not.
        What do historical facts predict should Maori have an equal say, or complete control of New Zealand?

        While nothing is black and white ( no pun) there is a trend that says societies are generally more stable under European rule.

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 5, 2019

          In one sentence you say, “Either Maori are better off under introduced European democratic processes, or they are not” … Black & White, Either/Or eh?

          Nex’ sentence you say, “While nothing is black and white …”

          Historical facts may or may not predict anything, but an historical agreement known as Te Tiriti o Waitangi clearly outlines the areas of [your so-called] “control” … kawanatanga and tino rangatiratanga …

          Your “black and white” line is plain BULLSHIT … the best that can be said is that societies appeared more stable FOR A TIME under FORCED or DUPLICITOUSLY ACQUIRED European rule …

          FFS … Germany appeared stable between about 1933 and 1939 or ’41, depending how you look at it …

          • Corky

             /  January 5, 2019

            ”FFS … Germany appeared stable between about 1933 and 1939 or ’41, depending how you look at it …”

            Nex’ sentence you say, “While nothing is black and white …”

            ”Your “black and white” line is plain BULLSHIT … the best that can be said is that societies appeared more stable FOR A TIME under FORCED or DUPLICITOUSLY ACQUIRED European rule ”

            Nex’ sentence you say, “While nothing is black and white …”

            I’ll try better to explain myself next time, Parti. Point taken.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 5, 2019

          One minute you say that it is a Chinese expression, then it isn’t, then it is again. Make up your mind. You contradict yourself in your attempt to contradict me.

          I have no idea why Winston Peters was brought into this. Or is it another Winston ?

          To you, a troll is someone who knows more than you and can prove it.

          I would be very surprised to find any evidence of Chinese or other Asian races using Roundeye to refer to Westerners. Look at the size of Asia and the number of different races and countries there. The dogs term has also been discredited .They are urban myths,

          • Pickled Possum

             /  January 5, 2019

            your right as per usual miss ….
            “We English speakers have at our disposal an astounding variety of racial slurs. I don’t need to give a list here; we all know it to be true. I think one of the most interesting slurs is “round-eye” because it seems to be invented by the very group of people to whom it refers.

            If you’re not familiar with the term, it frequently shows up on racist websites or websites that play up the East/West divide (but not on certain ones–more on this below). It is also used seemingly innocuously at times. It’s supposed to be a term that Asians use for non-Asians.

            It may be obvious to many Asians, but as a white American, I didn’t notice anything strange about the way the term is used until after living in China for some time. The truth is, I’ve never heard any Chinese (or Japanese) refer to whites or any non-Asians as “round-eyes,” in Chinese or any other language. At times non-Asians in China might get called hairy, simian, uncivilized, or even evil, but never round-eyed”.
            to read more corky click on the link
            http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2006/05/27/the-myth-of-round-eye

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 5, 2019

              😀 The derogatory word that some Chinese do actually use is something that means a pale foreigner.

            • Gezza

               /  January 5, 2019

              Gweilo or gwailou (Chinese: 鬼佬; Cantonese Yale: gwáilóu, pronounced [kʷɐ̌i lǒu] is a common Cantonese slang term for Westerners. In its unmodified form, it refers to light skinned people of European descent and has a history of racially deprecatory use. Cantonese speakers frequently use gwailou to refer to Westerners in general use, in a non-derogatory context, although whether this type of usage is offensive is disputed by both Cantonese and Westerners alike.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gweilo

              Laowai is the Mandarin pronunciation/transliteration of 老外 (pinyin: lǎowài, lit. “old foreign”), an informal term or slang for “foreigner” and/or non-Chinese national, usually neutral but possibly impolite or loose in some circumstances.

              Formal and polite Chinese terms for foreigner include wàiguórén (simplified Chinese: 外国人; traditional Chinese: 外國人; literally: “foreigner”), wàibīn (外宾; 外賓; “foreigner guest”), guójì yǒurén 国际友人; 國際友人; “international friend”) and wàiguó pengyou (外國朋友; 外国朋友; “foreigner friend”).

              “Laowai” is typically used to refer to Europeans (‘whites’, ‘Caucasians’) especially, and to a lesser extent, Africans (‘black’), Native Americans, Latin Americans and Middle Easterners.[3][4] “Laowai” usually does not refer to ethnic Han of non-Chinese nationality or other East Asian ethnicities
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laowai

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 6, 2019

              Did you see that Corky claims to have spent New Year’s Day in the supermarket, hanging around the checkout to see people supposedly being surprised at there not being bags there ? When I said that these people could have used fruit bags or the tougher ones that are sold, he said that they had. Porangi.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  January 5, 2019

    BETO for President 2020,lets move the orange out of the White house

  4. Blazer

     /  January 5, 2019

    he has a number of contentious viewpoints on Chinese life and culture and personal insights into those topics.

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 5, 2019

    Three ironies wrt the latest enviromental posturing by the CoL:

    1. We now have to buy single use bin bags to replace our former double use shopping bags.

    2. At the same time that plastic production is reduced by the infinitesimal amount shopping bags comprised, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of types 3,4,5 plastics will no longer be recyclable and will be going to our landfills.

    3. Despite the above, the loony environmentalists and political posturers are satisfied and pleased with themselves.

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 5, 2019

      Let’s hope its just the beginning Alan … the first tentative steps … like the Clayton’s Medical Cannabis Law Reform is touted to be …

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 5, 2019

        I would rather hope it would be the end of such counterproductive stupidity, PZ.

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 5, 2019

          It encroaches upon your ‘freedom’ to pollute the environment at will Alan, does it?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 5, 2019

            No, it encroaches on my ability to use the most efficient solutions to my life’s needs which includes my environment.

            Those who do the most complaining about polluting the environment generally do the most polluting. And probably few of them do as much looking after their environment as I do.

            • kluelis

               /  January 5, 2019

              @Alan Wilkinson.. “Those who do the most complaining about polluting the environment generally do the most polluting”. What ever Alan whatever.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 5, 2019

              That’s probably what they say.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  January 5, 2019

        1. We now have to buy single-use bin bags to replace our former double use shopping bags.

        Learn to make a bin liner out of paper.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 5, 2019

          Not going to survive the stuff our guests put in it

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 5, 2019

            Retrain the guests …

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 5, 2019

              Not going to happen: nappies, tampons, curries, beer/wine/juice/milk bottles/cartons, wet wipes, shellfish, …. And they’ve left before you find it. There are good reasons why people use plastic.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 5, 2019

              Use plastic bin liners then and charge accordingly …?

              There’s probably biodegradable bin liners available at a price?

              Have a deterrent charge for messing up the place … like a refundable deposit …?

    • Gezza

       /  January 5, 2019

      2. At the same time that plastic production is reduced by the infinitesimal amount shopping bags comprised, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of types 3,4,5 plastics will no longer be recyclable and will be going to our landfills.

      Ok, I’m missing something, Al. How has the ban on single use shopping bags caused types 3, 4 5 plastics to no longer be recyclable and be going to our landfills?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 5, 2019

        No causal relationship other than the CoL has forced one and permitted the other.

        • Gezza

           /  January 5, 2019

          Oh, ok. So, still on your point 2, how is 3, 4 and 5 plastics no longer being recyclable the government’s fault? Were they recyclable before and what has changed so that they are now not?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 5, 2019

            China and Indonesia have refused to keep taking them. Our transfer station stops recycling them next week so they will all go in the tip.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 5, 2019

              If they can’t be recycled, perhaps they shouldn’t be manufactured in the first place?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 5, 2019

              Arguably. However the Govt seems to be silent on the issue. Having banned shopping bags nothing else need be done.

            • Gezza

               /  January 5, 2019

              How was your transfer station recycling them?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 5, 2019

              Presumably like all other Councils it was party to an arrangement to ship them overseas.

              https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/103503306/china-has-stopped-taking-our-recycling-and-waste-heres-where-its-ending-up

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 5, 2019

              How was your transfer station recycling them?

              Burning them or putting them in the land-fill?
              yep how do they get rid of them?
              No one knows for sure it is a well-guarded secret.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 5, 2019

              They were bagged and left on trucks, Possum. Probably headed to Auckland or Marsden Point. See the article above.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 5, 2019

              Al in that article that I read it says ….
              “In April, a fire broke out at the Smart Environmental recycling plant near Thames, burning through piles of recycling waste.”
              and
              “Around 150 tonnes of stockpiled plastic and paper was in an outside shed, which ignited and burnt down and at least another 100 tonnes went to landfill, after being tarnished by ash and embers in the fire,”

              I have been told up here in te far north the excess is burnt or put in the land fill.
              Most people don’t want to know what happens after ‘the truck’ takes it all away. Most people don’t really give a FF = flying fig.
              I am saving my aloe vera drink bottles to make a greenhouse for winter, for the turmeric and ginger.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 5, 2019

              1– 2 can be recycled
              3–7 into the landfill
              how tragic.
              plastic houses any-one.
              we have plastic fences plastic cars parts
              why not plastic houses

            • Blazer

               /  January 5, 2019

              @PP..plastic houses are a grand idea…we already have the plastic..Marae. 😉

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 5, 2019

              Blaza where is tbat plastic marae ?? …Kerikeri Te Hana Tamaiki Makaurau or Rotorua?? … do plastic people surround the marae?

            • Blazer

               /  January 6, 2019

              @PP…its called….MacDonalds….!.Try a happy hangi,pack…!

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 6, 2019

              Plastic food … feed to you. by plastic people ..
              Hello diabetes … is it me your looking for.

          • Duker

             /  January 5, 2019

            Some have stockpiles but others like Auckland don’t
            https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/103503306/china-has-stopped-taking-our-recycling-and-waste-heres-where-its-ending-up

            Apparently someone sorts of waste are a problem
            “The recyclable materials that are most problematic right now are low quality mixed plastics and mixed paper and cardboard. There are few markets for these commodities.

            I’ve stopped putting plastic that has food contamination in the recycling bin

            • Gezza

               /  January 5, 2019

              Can’t remember where, but I saw or read somewhere someone saying that putting it in landfills just means it’s there for the day when someone works out what the landfill can usefully be mined for plastic for, as (he thought) they probably will.

              I saw something on 1ewes not long ago about a prototype plastic recycling process. Might have been road surface they were making. Dumping it on poor countries overseas, making it their problem, & just washing our hands of it, always stank, morally.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 5, 2019

              There are NZ recycling plants for types 1,2 and 4 I think. At least two have had Government grants.

  6. Gezza

     /  January 5, 2019

    I just went crazy and lashed out on a creaming soda milkshake, and on the way back from the dairy passed two young teen couples – one in the village, and the other strolling down our street towards the park. Hand in hand, besotted with each other, the first couple was a Pakeha boy with a Chinese girlfriend, and the 2nd was a Chinese boy with a Pakeha girlfriend. It’s really common around here to see mixed young couples like this. Often Pakeha and Indian or Cambodian couples, Maori & Pakeha, Maori and Pasifika. Is this common elsewhere. I think it bodes well for our future society.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 5, 2019

      Yes, a lot to be said for love, G.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  January 5, 2019

        Don’t see much Asian Pakeha unions up this way ….. mainly they followed the Hone Harawira rulez … marry within your own culture … fewer hassles then.

        Even between Maori and Pakeha, there are serious hurdles to jump like…

        #Honey the farno of 10 is coming for a day/week/month … soon
        *But Darling we have only 1 room, where are they going to fit ????
        #Honey you can put the tent up for yourself.
        *But Darling ………..????

        Next minute Honey and Darling have their own houses.

        • Blazer

           /  January 5, 2019

          so who cooks the..eggs!

          • Pickled Possum

             /  January 5, 2019

            Blazer bro we all cook our own low cholesterol eggs from the Araucana hens.

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 5, 2019

      Very common around here.

      “What we need is a great big melting pot”

      I reckon it bodes well too Gezza … in many ways …

      I also think what it means is the “great big melting pot” will be an essentially Western European-style one … in Aotearoa NZ terms a ‘Pakeha’ melting pot …

      It bodes well partly because it will be fundamentally recognizable to ‘us’ Pakeha … safe and comfortable and historically continuous for ‘us’ … “We came, we saw, we colonized” …

      Two-edged and/or multi-faceted, like everything else …

      • Gezza

         /  January 5, 2019

        I also think what it means is the “great big melting pot” will be an essentially Western European-style one … in Aotearoa NZ terms a ‘Pakeha’ melting pot

        Well, yes I expect so, although who knows what our national character & ethnic composition will be like in 50 years time.

        It bodes well partly because it will be fundamentally recognizable to ‘us’ Pakeha … safe and comfortable and historically continuous for ‘us’

        Well, I hope so. I’d hate think it would become like the India or the PRC that immigrants form these countries are still choosing to leave for an open, free, pretty tolerant sort of society without the several racial and ethnic and class divides that still characterise theirs, & opportunities aplenty for people to make a new life for themselves and their children.

        “We came, we saw, we colonized”
        Well, maybe you did. I didn’t, nor did my grandparents or my parents. I was born here It’s my native land.

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 5, 2019

          It’s my native land too … and I know I’m not tangata whenua … I’m a descendant of the privileged colonizer people …

          I agree its a great privilege to migrate to Aotearoa New Zealand nowadays. It should be treated as such and migrants should also be properly rewarded for choosing to work here …

          IMHO Fred Dagg looks out of place in “our national character” today, so yeah, who knows what it will look like in 50 years time?

          I hope it retains as much as possible of its Maoriness as well as its Pakehaness … the latter of which I find a shade less definable than the former …

          • Gezza

             /  January 5, 2019

            I’m a descendant of the privileged colonizer people …

            I’m not. Lower class and working class on both sides. Made the best of it.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 5, 2019

              Almost any reading of New Zealand history – aside from the Right Brigade Revisionists – leads me to believe that even lower-class and working-class settlers were “privileged” by comparison to Maori, especially as settler numbers overtook Maori and settler government’s influence spread …

              My descendants were lower-class and working-class too … The highest social-rank among them was an upper-class school’s Riding Instructor married to a noble household’s Governess …

            • Gezza

               /  January 5, 2019

              Well, yes, but that’s the view you prefer to take of our history. From my perspective, my grandparents were born here, my parents were born here, my grandparents and parents both had a pretty basic education and needed to do something to support themselves and their families – including working in West Coast mines on mum’s side – my parents had a dairy when we were very small – and eventually by scrimping and saving to buy houses to live in, in grandparents’ time, very late in life. I did much the same but was able to pool my wife’s and my savings & buy a house in my 20’s.

              Nothing privileged about that. We all did what we needed to do to get what we have – which in my case is a town house with a very small plot of land (not much of a footprint on the Welly regional landscape), a 2nd hand car, a telly, furniture, computers, guitars, a few hand tools. And I hated working for it, I’d rather have been doing whatever I felt like. But, you know, priorities. Those are what I wanted more than doing whatever I felt like.

              Now I’m doing whatever I feel like – within some pretty strict financial limits.

          • Gezza

             /  January 5, 2019

            I hope it retains as much as possible of its Maoriness as well as its Pakehaness … the latter of which I find a shade less definable than the former

            Me too. That’s the good thing about Pakehaness, though, it’s pretty dynamic,like the English language, it’s still evolving. With continued and controlled immigration it probably always will.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 5, 2019

              I sometimes and perhaps often think that Pakeha culture is more dissipating than dynamic and evolving …

              Pakehaness will eventually have to give way to Tauiwiness I reckon, as Pakeha is strongly associated with British …

              Immigration will likely never be “out of control” … but the largely Indian or Asian neighbourhoods will kinda be frowned upon, while the largely British or South African neighbourhoods won’t raise any comment …

            • Gezza

               /  January 5, 2019

              If you go to England you pretty soon work out we’re not British. I think your basic problem is you’re prejudiced against Pakeha and just look for reasons to stay that way.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 5, 2019

              Even if I was prejudiced against Pakeha … which I’m not … it wouldn’t necessarily be a problem Gezza …

            • Gezza

               /  January 5, 2019

              If you were prejudiced against Pakeha, why wouldn’t it be a problem?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 5, 2019

            Do you want to be defined by your culture? Do Maori by theirs? Whose culture is it anyway – the individual’s or the collective’s?

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 5, 2019

              A rare uptick from me Alan … It’s a good question … A useful thing to consider …

              Here’s another: Is there really any such thing as [complete] individuality?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 5, 2019

              No, complete individuality would presumably mean you were unlike anyone else in any respect – or at least in combination. Individuality means you can choose who you are like in any respect you can control.

              I don’t want to be defined by my culture. I want the freedom to adapt it as I wish.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 5, 2019

              Just for argument’s sake, one might argue that if you can adapt your culture as you personally wish, you don’t actually have a culture …

  7. Corky

     /  January 5, 2019

    Weird shite happening in the skies above Mahia at present. If you don’t hear from me tomorrow, I may have been abducted.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  January 5, 2019

      Are you aware that ‘Rocket Lab’ has a launch site in this area??
      https://www.rocketlabusa.com/launch-info/launch-complex-1/

      • Corky

         /  January 5, 2019

        Yeah, that’s what worries me. Have they come for a look.?

    • Gezza

       /  January 5, 2019

      Jesus. Stay down and observe from under cover. Don’t try and initiate contact if they’re Greys. If they do manage to find you and beam you up and do unspeakable things to study you anyway, do your best to get the message across that we’re not all the same – that you’re only a random individual. Really random. Good luck, Corks. 👨‍🚀 👍

      Report back on any observations.

      • Corky

         /  January 5, 2019

        I fear the sonic scalpel.

        • Gezza

           /  January 5, 2019

          It’s ok. I think their spaceship burned up in the atmosphere. Must’ve miscalculated it’s density and forgotten to deploy the air brakes.

        • Gezza

           /  January 5, 2019

          Yup, it’s official Corks. Move along folks. Nothing to worry about.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 5, 2019
      • Gezza

         /  January 5, 2019

        Sounds like a meteor with a high magnesium content.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  January 5, 2019

    The slack caps ,the so called best of the best,couldnt catch a ball if it was a 5 yo child underarm throwing it, Throwing the match comes to mind, book makers but then its the slack caps losing when they should win…. prediction we will loss on a simple catch

  9. lurcher1948

     /  January 5, 2019

    SO MUCH MODERATION PG

    • lurcher1948

       /  January 5, 2019

      LETS NOT BECOME LIKE KIWIBLOG PG.,none of my posts were abusive

      • lurcher1948

         /  January 5, 2019

        You dont allow my posts but you pass my whine to you?? come on PG im confused, i post revalent thoughts