“Just accept that people’s lives are their lives”

An odd article from NZ Herald:  Green MP Chlöe Swarbrick says she never came out of the closet because she was never in it

It is about how Swarbrick has managed to keep her personal life separate to her political life – until now. But she does a good job of playing it down.

The most important part:

Her sexuality has not been an issue widely broached in the media since she entered Parliament – something she is pleased about.

“I actually think that’s one of the strong points in New Zealand media that we do, to a certain extent, just accept that people’s lives are their lives when they go home from politics.”

A strong point of New Zealand society in general is our just accepting that “people’s lives are their lives” when it comes to race and religion, and relationships and marriage, and more recently sexual preferences. there are exceptions of course but most Kiwis are happy to accept most Kiwis as they are.

I’m still not clear what swarbrick’s personal situation is, and I don’t care, it is none of my business.

I’m interested in her public political life, and she seems to me to be doing a very good job as a first term back bench MP.

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  1. Duker

     /  January 6, 2019

    yes it is our business .
    Putting your name on voting paper , says look at me . of course they want to only tell their side of the story, but we are way past accepting the glossy story they want to tell.
    Its only the political elite who sneer at the publics interest in all aspects of a politicians life.

    A while back this story identified Alex Bartley Catt as her business partner
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-11-2016/chloe-swarbrick-why-i-chose-the-greens/

    Why not the domestic partner ?

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    • Duker

       /  January 6, 2019

      This story has Chloe identifying her ‘partner’ – which seems to be Alex Catt.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11869962

      Im assuming from the context of the new story , that an unnamed partner is a woman. Who we arent allowed to know any details !

      Whats changed Chloe from your willingness to provide lots of detail before ? Seems to contradict the line we are being fed of ‘never in the closet to start with ‘

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      • Duker

         /  January 6, 2019

        Another ‘full disclosure ‘ story about Swarbrick, her boyfriend and another business partner when details of their lives were happily disclosed to promote their donut shop.
        Now shes elected by voters, none of that is any of our business according to some. Pleeeeese
        Sorry that barn door was opened by Chloe some time back.
        https://nz.allpressespresso.com/community/olly-olly-olly

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 6, 2019

          The idea that doughnuts is the American spelling of donuts and that the Dutch word is the equivalent of ‘donut’ is nonsense. The Dutch word is oliebollen, or oil balls. It became doughnuts in English because they were ‘nuts’ or round balls of dough. My 1877 dictionary has them as doughnuts, and it is, of course, English.

          To the best of my knowledge, donut is a modern Americanism.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 6, 2019

            Well, not as modern as I thought, but American.

            Olykoek is given somewhere as a name for them, but that is, I believe, oil cakes.

            If his doughnuts are as bad as his etymology, I don’t want any.

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          • Duker

             /  January 6, 2019

            Well you have seen through the bullshit on that little venture

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  2. Blazer

     /  January 6, 2019

    No,our business is how she performs as an M.P in Parliament.

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    • Duker

       /  January 6, 2019

      Why has provided heaps of personal information before then . We are having a spin job done on us by the Greens media advisors who would prefer an enigma to her real life.

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      • Gezza

         /  January 6, 2019

        Maybe. But because she’s conveyed the impression in that clip above she’s bisexual, or a swinger, or whatever now lots of folk will be focussing on & trying to discover her sexual proclivities like nobody’s business because, as she says, it’s 2019 and she’s a self-promoting celebrity.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 6, 2019

          Why on earth does she imagine that her sexuality would be so fascinating that it would be widely publicised ?

          She’s ‘pleased’ about something that wouldn’t have happened in all probability.

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          • Gezza

             /  January 6, 2019

            Got me beat. Everybody knows JAG’s hetero so far and wears the pants in that relationship and it’s not an issue. And that Jacinda’s probably hetero too, so far. And that James is hetero too, so far. And that Grant’s gay. It becomes more of an issue of when she won’t say – which, knowing how clever at self-marketing Chloe is – is probably the intention.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 6, 2019

              It may well backfire, and I hope it does.

            • Duker

               /  January 6, 2019

              Identity politics old chum.
              The Greens media team want her to reflect a wider proportion of the young female voter demographic as possible. Why publicise her as part of a very narrow subset of young females.

            • Gezza

               /  January 6, 2019

              @ Duker. Chloe is about Chloe. She is headed for the top somehow, somewhere. Politics is her current aim, but that could change over time. I suspect she’s cutting her teeth learning the ropes with the Greens. One to watch as the potential leader of a new party in the next few years – with a particular focus on the young voters. My impression anyway.

            • Duker

               /  January 6, 2019

              New party? Join the club for those wasting their time and money.

            • Gezza

               /  January 6, 2019

              The trick to is getting other people to waste their money.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 6, 2019

      Blazer, I agree – within reason, of course.

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  3. david in aus

     /  January 6, 2019

    If her sexuality is controversial for a Greens party MP, she must be heterosexual.

    Similar to Chris Finlayson’s sexuality is mentioned as a National MP as it is supposedly an anomaly.

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    • Duker

       /  January 6, 2019

      National it is compulsory to remain in the closet- they have plenty of gay mps , mostly well known within the halls of parliament.
      There is a well known female national MP who likes to play simliar word games that Chloe is doing now but even more opaquely

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  4. David

     /  January 6, 2019

    I am a bit disappointed, I dont care who loves who it matters not a jot but she is making this a mystery to garner attention or make a point.
    Or perhaps its just a click baiting purient media thing and young Chloe is just a useful tool for an idiot media.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 6, 2019

      Chloe never says or does anything that’s not carefully calculated to increase her profile.

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      • Gezza

         /  January 6, 2019

        Chloe’s going places. She’s as sharp as a knife and understands PR.

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      • Duker

         /  January 6, 2019

        This is the headline in Herald :
        Meet the backbenchers: Chloe Swarbrick
        In the first of our summer series, Meet the Backbencher, we talk to Chloe Swarbrick.

        It says first of a series on meeting otherwise obscure backbench Mps. No dark motives in why she is getting coverage.

        yes there is a low threshold for what is news these days
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12177045

        Im just as curious about Mark Mitchells background ,how its all been media whitewashed from the gungo ho mercenary that we were told about before he became an MP- which has turned out just to be ‘international business’

        Was he one of the people Farrar deleted his past posts on Mitchell as a mercenary for as google search made them too prominent

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        • Gezza

           /  January 6, 2019

          I don’t have any argument with what you’re saying here. But my view is that Chloe is aiming for the top of whatever she chooses to do. The first & biggest clue was in her standing for Mayor of Auckland. Learning the ropes. And now joining the Greens. Learning the ropes. She intends to be and remain prominent. She captures and embodies the thinking of her generation. She’s ambitious and will succeed because she knows how to and calculates how to. That’s not a bad thing. She’s extraordinarily competent. I reckon she’s one to watch for what she ends up doing in the future. If they won’t make her a co-leader in the Greens she won’t stay with them. Imo.

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          • Duker

             /  January 6, 2019

            yes thats a fair comment . But to the idea that media savvy people have a big future, I say 2 little words .
            Pam Corkery

            I dont predict this , but at some stage she may jump to labour as theres more chance to influence policy, either that or off to the UN .
            Greens have a shelf life of say 10 years and they get stale to be replaced by the ‘next bright shiny thing’. eg Russel Norman etc

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            • Gezza

               /  January 6, 2019

              Pam Corkery wasn’t known as Pam Squawkery for nothing, though. She had one of those voices, and one of those personalities, that felt like a sandblaster in your head. Chloe’s a completely different wee beastie. She picks her issues carefully and thinks before she speaks.

            • Duker

               /  January 6, 2019

              Your enthusiasm just confirms that Chloe is an older persons idea of what a young millennial woman should be. In reality, shes an upper middle class nerdy woman- almost no connection to young modern women at all. Shell move on in the next 5 years from the greens – like they all do.

            • Gezza

               /  January 6, 2019

              I/m not enthusiastic I’m just applying my judgement based on experience. I wouldn’t call her nerdy – but you’re right, she’s upper middle class and that’s who she’ll appeal to – modern middle class young women, of which there are many.

            • Duker

               /  January 6, 2019

              Yes I’m tough on her. That’s because even though she’s an mp not all are chosen for this series, so she’s agreeing to a soft interview but still manages to sound inauthentic. Never been in the closet….. The previous stories say different. You can’t be public about your relationships when you are a publicity hound and then taking a more high profile life as an mp means it’s off the agenda..
              Mps galore are inauthentic and phony, does she now have to join them.

        • Gezza

           /  January 6, 2019

          Basically, yes. If she wants to get wherever she’s going.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 6, 2019

      The first, I suspect, as she’s doing the talking.

      She may be disappointed that there has been no interest in something that most of us are not interested in.

      I find it rather undignified, to say the least, for an MP to discuss these private things in public; why does she think that we will want to know, and if she’s pleased that it wasn’t broadcast, why is she now doing her best to make sure that it is ?

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      • Duker

         /  January 6, 2019

        Undignified. Bet you dont say that about the constant coverage of Bridges and his family in the womens magazines.
        https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/nznow/2018/03/07/36832/new-National-Party-leader-Simon-Bridges-and-his-family.jpg?width=690&height=574&mode=crop&quality=75

        As for Swarbrick , they are doing a series on back bench Mps… so others are ‘getting coverage too’ . Do try to keep up

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 6, 2019

          It is undignified to invite prurient speculation about one’s sex life. Is the series about that ? If not, why is she raising the subject ?

          I suspect that Simon Bridges isn’t discussing his ‘sexuality’ in the women’s mags. There is no connection between the two things.

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          • david in aus

             /  January 6, 2019

            Perhaps she is burnishing her Greens’ credentials by being LGBTI.

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          • Duker

             /  January 6, 2019

            The photo shows Bridges with wife and child . hes proclaiming his sexuality!

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 6, 2019

              Hardly. He’s showing that he’s a family man. Yes, we all know how babies are made, but most of us aren’t so dirty-minded that we think about that when we see one with its parents, I hope. I suspect that sex isn’t mentioned in the article.

            • Duker

               /  January 6, 2019

              Whats ‘dirty minded’ about saying if there is a female partner or not.

              Its no more ‘dirty minded’- your words- than knowing that Jami-Lee Ross had a ‘Wellington wife’ as well as an Auckland one- at the same time!

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 6, 2019

          I don’t read women’s magazines, as you appear to, so don’t know what they have in them.

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          • Duker

             /  January 6, 2019

            I dont read them either. But Bridges and his PR savvy wife have been pushing their kids and family life in the womens mags as if there life depends on it.

            this was 6 days ago as google shows
            Happy birthday Jemima! Simon Bridges’ little girl turns one
            https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/parenting/family/simon-bridges-daughter-jemima-turns-one-40100

            Dont you think Bridges low approval ratings have led him to use his kids as political props?
            https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/nznow/2018/12/18/1545082425035_SimonBridgesandfamilycelebratedaughterJemimas1stbirthday.jpg?width=690&height=&mode=crop&quality=75

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 6, 2019

              Oh, do stop trolling, you’re as bad as Corky – and that’s saying something.

              If the mags’ editors didn’t think that people wanted to read this, they wouldn’t ask to interview the Bridges family. Editors of these mags are interested in selling copies, not giving people free publicity. They don’t, I suspect, give a damn about the political side, nor are they going to risk losing sales.

            • Duker

               /  January 6, 2019

              Ask to interview ?
              Oh please …his wife runs a PR business , she works the system and arranges the publicity, using kids as props that would horrify Key and English , who had young kids earlier in their careers, but only shameless siomun would go this far.
              The birthday party is a clue to the Bridges arranging all this themselves.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 6, 2019

            It is dirty-minded to look at a couple and think of them having sex to make their new baby.

            If you really think that magazines print articles as ego trips for the subjects. you have no idea of how commercial they are. They print stories that will sell copies, not turn readers off. The old NZWW nearly went under when a new editor made changes that turned off the old readers and didn’t attract the new, young ones that she was aiming at. The customer is always right. The first rule of selling is that you sell what people want to buy, not what you want to sell.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  January 6, 2019

        Maybe something has happened in the background to pique media interest.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 6, 2019

          There can’t be much going on in the world if that’s the case.

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        • Duker

           /  January 6, 2019

          Maybe carruzo you just open your eyes and read, no dark motives here
          “Meet the backbenchers: Chloe Swarbrick
          In the first of our summer series, Meet the Backbencher, we talk to Chloe Swarbrick.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 6, 2019

            There’s no need for her to think that that means discuss her sexuality.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 6, 2019

    Chlöe who? Who cares?

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    • Gezza

       /  January 6, 2019

      Who did you vote for again because although you told me I can’t even remember except that they didn’t impress me.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 6, 2019

        I was in SA and didn’t vote. That was a successful strategic move I won’t explain.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 6, 2019

          Oh, sorry ok. Did you say who you would’ve voted for if you hadn’t done a Corky?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 6, 2019

            No, but you can always guess.

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            • Gezza

               /  January 6, 2019

              For some reason I thought you said somewhere you would have voted for Matt King (I had to google northland MPs) for your candidate vote but google hasn’t produced anything.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 6, 2019

              Google is my friend.

            • Gezza

               /  January 6, 2019

              Righto. It’s good that you’ve got one. Most bastards don’t.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 6, 2019

              Lol!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 6, 2019

              Google can be a false friend; it is to Corky.

  6. Duker

     /  January 6, 2019

    This other part of the Swarbrick story piqued me:
    “My best speech this year was on something that was deeply personally affecting me and I was really riled up when I wrote it.

    It was a speech I gave a few weeks ago on drug law reform.

    I just felt there was an urgency around ending the criminalisation of drug use and providing them with addiction support
    I sort of get the feeling that there was a drug use problem with someone close to her. And the emphasis on criminalisation seems to indicate that it involved selling drugs that came to the attention of the courts.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 6, 2019

      It could be taken two ways; that she feels very strongly about it or that she’s personally involved. I don’t remember the speech being that good. I hope that she doesn’t have a personal interest in the issue.

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      • Duker

         /  January 6, 2019

        But but ..that’s exactly what she did say…no need to read the tea leaves

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  7. acrossthespectrum

     /  January 6, 2019

    Wow I did not realize there were so many social climbing, back stabbing tittle tattle gossip drama Queens/Kings on this site. Shortland Street has got nothing on you lot.

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