It’s not “democratic crowd sourcing of the moderation”

It’s not “democratic crowd sourcing of the moderation”, it’s a small number of people abusing moderation at Kiwiblog to censor comments.

A few numpties continue to abuse the Report function at Kiwiblog that is intended to counter abusive comments. This shows on a thread starting with this comment:

Surely Knott:

Lol. It’s not mob censorship – it’s democratic crowd sourcing of the moderation. And it’s a blog for grown ups so we don’t need to be protected from ideas, generally.

It’s not democratic when five people can target and effectively censor comments – and they don’t look like they’re acting like grown ups.

Further on in that thread:

It took some time for this to go into moderation, suggesting a gradual accumulation of REPORT clicking. But this is a clear abuse of the reporting function.

From Kiwiblog’s Comment Policy:

The other way you can signal you think a comment is unacceptable, is to click on the link which says “Report Abusive Comment”. If a certain threshold is reached of people reporting it, then the system will automatically hide the comment from view, and place it into moderation for a moderator to review. This can be the quickest way to remove an abusive comment from view. This should not be used for comments you merely disagree with, but only ones that are abusive.

A second comment has also been parked in moderation:

Pete George

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Linking to a source is normal practice, especially when there is more detail there.

In the site Comments Policy – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy – there is no indication that linking to a source is a problem. I have never seen DPF say not to do it. I have had a strike for doing it.

Accusations of ‘link whoring’ amounts to a form of trolling to try to disrupt or discredit or censor. Reporting ‘link whoring’ seems to me to be an abuse of site processes. It is used to try to suppress free speech, something that is against the pro-free speech principles of Kiwiblog.

These comments are clearly not abusive, so this looks like a clear case of ongoing abuse of the reporting function – more mini-mob censorship.

Update: on a thread on this at Kiwiblog from Muttonbird:

Interesting that the comments policy left out some important additional information on the report process outlined by Mr Farrar when it was introduced in 2014.

Note that this feature should not be used on comments just because you disagree with them. If you continually report comments that are not abusive or trolling, then I’ll suspend your account. The up and down vote buttons are what you use for agreeing or disagreeing with a comment. This feature is for comments that are highly abusive.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/09/an_easier_way_to_report_comments.html

Perhaps Mr Farrar needs to update his comments policy and clarify just what he wants this feature to do and the conditions under which it should be used. Because I don’t see a lot of suspensions happening right now for flagrant misuse.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/general_debate_8_january_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2397658

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19 Comments

  1. acrossthespectrum

     /  January 8, 2019

    There is no such thing as “moderation” because every one’s perspective is different. There is only opinion most of which is naturally biased. So moderators are simply biased censors almost always “moderating ” according to the sites own bias and preference. Going against any sites preference will have you “moderated” more often than those who tow the party line.
    Ticks up and down almost always reflects the site and its adherent’s particular bias on topics.
    Want to be popular and get up ticks just comment according to the sites bias. Want to be yourself then get ready for down ticks and “moderation”

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  2. I have also commented on this directly at Kiwiblog:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/general_debate_8_january_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2397619

    Those who defend the freedom to abuse and the freedom to censor are likely to be out in force – they tend to get shirty at being exposed and held to account.

    Kiwi Dave said on Kiwiblog yesterday “the result of reporting some comments into oblivion (as distinct from downticking, which still lets people see comments if they really want) is censorship of some contributors to a blog whose attraction includes its lack of censorship.”

    That should be an issue of concern to DPF.

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    • Ray

       /  January 8, 2019

      It is strange/funny that you seem to cause such an outrage in some readers at both the “Standard” and “Kiwiblog” that makes them want to gang up and try to shut you down!
      It would even be funnier if it was the same people.
      The fact that you try to see things from both sides rather than falling into the familiar right/left views just seems to enrage them.
      Keep up the good work!

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  3. duperez

     /  January 8, 2019

    It’s all just a way that ‘free speech’ operates. Of course the big brave warriors who regularly trot out phrases like ‘snowflake’ to attack whomever who show a bit of humanity, sensitivity or plain common sense and decency, fold when someone has an idea or perspective they don’t like.

    Well, that might start some off, but then dumb pack mentality takes over. Funny though that the staunch, tough mobsters happy to flaunt their gang patches, cave in when the metaphorical granny looks their way. (Not meaning you PG!)

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    • acrossthespectrum

       /  January 8, 2019

      @duperez. ” staunch, tough mobsters happy to flaunt their gang patches, cave in when the metaphorical granny looks their way” Who or what is/are metaphorical granny”?

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 8, 2019

    Best solution would be to allocate a limited number of report actions to each commenter. Once exhausted can’t report any longer.

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  5. Gezza

     /  January 8, 2019

    That site hasn’t kept my interest. It might be popular but I used to find it tiring scrolling thru looking for anything of interest. Besides, the only wildlife there is some of the commenters, and the wildest ones Lurch tells us about.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  January 8, 2019

    Hell PG why visit Kiwiblog??? you will only feel pain and hurt,just hit your thumb with a hammer…you avoid all the abuse….just saying for a friend

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  January 8, 2019

    PG as this educated rightwinger mocks you,seems like he’s a lawyer or similar so is a dodgy character ie,a smart stupid smarly person ie like a certain PM who cut and ran, give it a guest post and lets see the cut of his jib…
    Nostradamus
    Swifty:
    He has also reported that DPF has been in communication with him about it.
    That means that Pete George emailed him. He comes across as a person who drives around the blogosphere all day looking for infractions of his good blog commenting guide!
    One of the… ferals

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    • Nostradamus has keeps trying to defend the abusive culture at Kiwiblog.

      He suggested I was trying be some sort of sheriff – worried about a threat to his domain perhaps.

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    • “He comes across as a person who drives around the blogosphere all day looking for infractions”

      That’s just bullshit trying to discredit – I got involved at KB because people were trying to censor my comments, and what they were doing was in breach the KB comments policy, with Nostradamus trying to plat interference in support of the abusers. I’m not sure what sort of authority he has there – I think probably none apart from what he claims for himself.

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  8. Awww C’mon

     /  January 8, 2019

    PG,
    Your current crusade at KB seems to have begun after a few comments by an idiot named Reality Czech that I become involved with.
    You posted the following day here, at KB and the Standard about that thread. You got shut down and ‘moderated’ by the good folk at KB because you were there to stir, and you have been stirring ever since.
    It’s like the little fish n chip shop telling McDonalds they don’t know how to make a burger, DPF runs a bloody good blog, you don’t. Suck it up princess.
    Going around trolling for visitors and traffic is just sad, and that is all you are doing.
    Ironically I’m on a break at KB over a seperate issue involving a bloke who likes to hide behind others skirts, and I occasionally read your blog but never wanted to comment here because I simply don’t respect you or your (lack of) professionalism.
    I read the standard a lot, most posts and comments, and you really do talk with a forked tongue, catering to your audience don’t you.
    It’ll be interesting to see how this post is handled considering your comments on how DPF runs his blog.

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    • Chuck Bird

       /  January 8, 2019

      You got suspended from KB for trolling. Pot calling the kettle black referring to me hiding behind someone’s skirts. I made a legitimate complaint to DPF and he acted on it. As you say it is a good blog. However, it is his blog, not yours. If you troll again a will complain again. Just suck it up SLG.

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    • “You got shut down and ‘moderated’ by the good folk at KB because you were there to stir, and you have been stirring ever since.”

      I had several comments reported and effectively censored by a few people at KB, which was in breach of the site policy.

      “DPF runs a bloody good blog, you don’t. Suck it up princess.”

      KB is successful for sure, and it is popular – but the abusiveness and name calling and personal attacks give it a bad reputation outside KB, this impacts on DPF’s reputation, and by association that also impacts on National’s reputation.

      It is quite a bit smaller here but quite a few people seem happy enough with it. The size is manageable and suits me. I don’t really care if you don’t like it for whatever reason, but I note that you have come here to comment. One could suspect you are here to stir.

      “I occasionally read your blog but never wanted to comment here because I simply don’t respect you or your (lack of) professionalism.”

      It’s a bit rich someone promoting Kiwiblog as bloody good dissing me on professionalism.

      Anyway, this is a hobby, not a profession.

      “I read the standard a lot, most posts and comments, and you really do talk with a forked tongue, catering to your audience don’t you.”

      And you aren’t catering for an audience? That’s sort of what participating on online forums is about isn’t it?

      I note that again you have just generally thrown general shit here with vague attacks. Nothing original, just repeating. That’s not very professional. It’s pretty amateur, but maybe you learned that at Kiwiblog.

      I’m not sure what you are trying to achieve, but I hope you feel better after letting off steam.

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