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  1. Blazer

     /  January 8, 2019

    the big ..con…

    ‘From Owen Jones in the Guardian:

    Please raise a glass – if you’re not doing Dry January, of course – to our nation’s exceptionally talented CEOs and their superhuman work ethic and skills. For the average executive to have earned the equivalent of a worker’s average annual salary by 4 January is surely testament to an unimaginable amount of hard work and graft. They must truly deserve the 11% hike in their salaries since last year, unlike millions of good-for-nothing slackers like nurses and teachers who have endured years of stagnating pay.

    It is worth taking a moment to absorb how great the gap now is between the worker and the boss. Top executives now earn 133 times more than the average worker; in 1998, the ratio was 47. The salary of the average FTSE chief executive is the same as that of 386 Britons on minimum wage combined. This in a country where workers have suffered the worst squeeze in wages for generations, where most Britons languishing in poverty are actually in work, where child poverty has increased at its fastest rate for three decades, and where one in every 200 people are classed as homeless or in inadequate homes. It is not a trend restricted to Britain, of course: US top bosses earn 312 times the average worker’s wage.

    We are indoctrinated to believe that the booming paypackets of the boss class are down to their get-up-and-go, their innovation, their phenomenal hard work. This is used to justify and rationalise the explosion of inequality, not as evidence of an utterly broken social and economic model, but as just desserts. It is a pernicious myth. This is the wealth collectively produced by the hard effort of millions of people, who labour by hand or by brain. All of these CEOs depend on lavish state largesse: whether it be an education system (and its teachers) who train their workers, the nation’s expensive infrastructure, a law and order system to protect their property, research and development whose products they can commodify, a social security system to top up their workers’ low wages – I could go on. That is why we should snap out of thinking that they somehow deserve these vast sums: they don’t. And that forms the basis for arguing that far more of that money should end up in the paypackets of their workforce, reinvested in their companies and invested in the nation’s public services and infrastructure.

    The arrogance, the hubris of Britain’s booming boss class – living it up in a seemingly never-ending party as millions struggle – is so flagrant, so obscene, it is worth asking – are they inviting a peaceful social revolution? They must realise that this is not sustainable.’

    same here.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 8, 2019

      I agree. The problem is what do you do about it.

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      • Blazer

         /  January 8, 2019

        ‘We are indoctrinated to believe that the booming paypackets of the boss class are down to their get-up-and-go, their innovation, their phenomenal hard work. ‘

        shame the parasites at every opportunity.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 8, 2019

          They’re impervious to shame, Blazer.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  January 8, 2019

            The power of money … and acculturation-indoctrination … indoctriculturation*

            * # 194 (I think?)

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        • NOEL

           /  January 8, 2019

          There has been a negative change in management. One large company i worked for the General Manager held the job for 15 years. He would go into a plant and would remember the names of more than half the employees in a plant.
          When I left there had been 4 CEO’s in 8 years and none ever ventured near the plants.

          One of the duties of a nominated employees was to conduct a safety audit once a week.
          When someone established that it was nothing to do with safety but a KPI for management, there were more appropriate audits such as “which toilet paper is best 2 ply or three ply?”

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          • PartisanZ

             /  January 8, 2019

            Remembering the names of more than half the employees in the plant still doesn’t really compensate for the wage-&-salary differential though, does it?

            A CEO’s salary is, after all, made up largely of unpaid workers’ wages …

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            • NOEL

               /  January 8, 2019

              Perhaps i didn’t elaborate enough.
              Back in the day the General Manager managed the company.
              Seems many CEO’s today manage a lot of spread sheets.

    • acrossthespectrum

       /  January 8, 2019

      CEO’s are probably paid no more than 1% of a large oranisations salary. Upper and middle management take huge chunks of the salaries. Even senior or junior office managers have raised levels. Cutting out CEO’s would be the easy part. Try telling some one even 10% above your salary to take a cut and see how far you get. More complex than meets the I.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  January 8, 2019

        Interesting and relevant point. I wonder if there are any statistical analyses?

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  2. Corky

     /  January 8, 2019

    Some years ago I hired an electrician to install a power point. The guy arrived in a foul mood – apologised for his foul mood ( fight with the boss), and got straight to work. I decided to make him some coffee. He was very talkative and sounded exactly like talkback host, Miles Davis. He really appreciated that, and enjoyed the carrot cake that went with it. A Pommy,
    his favourite phrase was ”Er! what’s that about?”

    We talked about general stuff, and got on to the subject of his last employment. Before coming to NZ he had worked in an retirement village; before that as a contractor for black projects ( his descriptor) run by the British Government. It was my term to say ” Er what’s that about?’, the disconnect was jarring.

    I started pumping him for information. He laughed and said they would shoot him if he broke his security clearance. He was bound by that for life. However, he said he would give me an outline of a project he worked on before they made him sign a security clearance.

    He told about an old detection method once used by Britain to detect enemy aircraft. It involved mirrors and sound waves. Superseded by radar it became obsolete until a boffin in the 80s decided to take another look at this ancient technology and rejig it as an ‘offensive weapon.” I had never heard of this technology. Still hadn’t until yesterday.

    He worked in a huge hanger that had concave mirrors around the perimeter His job was to connect each mirror with the appropriate cables and electronics( provided by America). In the middle of the hangar was a platform. When a siren went off he had to leave his work area. A scientist would place some object on the platform, a sound would be introduced into that area and the object would vaporise. He stopped at that point to see if I understood, or whether
    all that was going over my head. I said the technology sounded as if it came from the same era as Loius Rota’s work. That impressed him and he carried on talking and talking.

    So, going by this article, my talkative electrician may not have been spinning me a yarn to
    to take the piss

    https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-46348917

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    • Gezza

       /  January 8, 2019

      Cool pics.

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    • acrossthespectrum

       /  January 8, 2019

      Yeah he strung you along good Corky. Back in the 70’s old timers always spun yarns about how some joker they new in the 40’s invented the fastest machine gun or a tank which could knock out ten tiger tanks with one shell and a fighter plane was invented in Gore in 1939 which flew a 1000 miles an hour but the Yanks said no etc etc. But then in those days they used to send young fullahs to the bosses office for a long wait or to get a sky hook or a can of compression. Good old days 🙂 Now did I tell you about this trip I took in the bush East of Whangamomona when i came across a herd of Moa and the 90 foot eel I caught?

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      • Corky

         /  January 8, 2019

        ”Back in the 70’s old timers.”

        ”Fighter plane was invented in Gore in 1939”

        ”Young fullahs to the bosses office for a long wait.”

        ” Moa and the 90 foot eel I caught?”

        Dude, trolling is an art form…not to be used like an All Black ruck 🙄🙄🙄.

        Get some training off Kitty, then give it another go. 😄😄

        I’m down ticking you for bad form and being a complete waste of space.

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        • acrossthespectrum

           /  January 8, 2019

          @Corky. Thanks awfully Corks 🙂

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 8, 2019

            Corky is, of course, the YNZ resident troll, Across. He doesn’t care for what he sees as rivals; i.e, anyone who doubts his word and/or disproves what he says. What he does isn’t trolling in his eyes, only people who disagree with or doubt him (or expose his falsehoods) are trolling.

            One of his lies about me was that I had described the people across the road as feral. I had never mentioned them here, and as they are a really nice young professional couple, feral is the last word that I would use of them.

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  January 8, 2019

        YES spectrum …Herd of Moa…Have you heard of Moana and the Moa Hunters
        Keep up the good work.

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        • acrossthespectrum

           /  January 8, 2019

          @Pickled Possum. Moana Jackson the lady was rather cute 🙂

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  January 8, 2019

            Moana Maniapoto Jackson was once married to Willie Jackson
            Moana has a Maori Anglican father and a Pakeha Catholic mother.
            She is Proud of them both. Never hid her Pakeha side

            I first meet Moana when she was cutting Kua Makona with Delvanius.
            She is beautiful is that the same as cute?

            Kiri Te Kanawa now she is like the plastic fantastic yaw talking about
            couldn’t even come home for dads tangi

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            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 8, 2019

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 8, 2019

              just in case you want a translate

              Aue aue aue – taukiri e
              Kua Makona, kua makona
              (Aren’t you satisfied?)
              Mamae nei ahau I tenei hanga I te inu
              (I am saddened by this object called alcohol)
              Panahia atu e mamau e
              (Push it away and turn to me instead)
              E tau e
              (my darling)
              Kua makona e
              (A little is enough)
              Ko tenei wai he panui he karere
              (This song is a message)
              Kia tamariki me nga taonga whakarere
              (To children, our treasured next generation)
              Ki te iwi na te pia I hirorirori
              (that alcohol can cause you to stumble)
              Ka huri te hinengaro whakarorirori
              (create foolish, crazed thoughts)
              No reira aro mai koutou I waho na
              (so to those of you embrace these words)
              Ki enei kupu kua makona
              (just go easy, a little is enough)

            • acrossthespectrum

               /  January 8, 2019

              Yes that’s the one. Kua Makona I remember that. That’s enough … (drink) Mind she was smoking a lot dem days maybe should of applied to smoking and of course over eating. Yes I said cute hoping I would not be picked up for saying the “b” word 🙂 Yup Kiri was a very White Maori same with John Rowles and Howard Morrison. And as I said in another post Winston Peters and Billy T James. But to be fair they were all victims of the time when hiding your Maori side was compulsory if you wanted to advance in European society. The good Kiwi was never a Maori in the 50’s , 60’s, 70’s.
              Kids raised post 1980 had it a lot easier thank goodness.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 8, 2019

              acrossthespectrum of one-sided ignorant prejudice and bigotry …

        • Corky

           /  January 8, 2019

          That the shelia who doesn’t talk much about her Pakeha mother….cuz?

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          • acrossthespectrum

             /  January 8, 2019

            @Corky.That the Shelia who doesn’t talk much about her Pakeha mother….cuz? I don’t know Corky. You met Moana and spoke with her?

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            • Corky

               /  January 8, 2019

              Once, at Clive Hotel just out of Napier. The whanau was back for some get together regarding Everard Jackson.

              Whats your point? I’m sure my cuz can give us an answer if you wait.

            • acrossthespectrum

               /  January 8, 2019

              @Corky.” Whats your point? I’m sure my cuz can give us an answer if you wait.” So are you saying she hid her Pakeha side to fit in with the Maori image of the band and the song Black pearl?

            • Corky

               /  January 8, 2019

              No, I’m not saying that. I’m just saying going on what she says publicly her pakeha side doesn’t seem that important to her.

            • acrossthespectrum

               /  January 8, 2019

              Happens a lot to celebrities. Michael Jones + Sonny Bill are seen to be Polynesian yet they are mostly European in the way they live. Barack Obama was half white and was brought up by his white mother and his white Grandmother and white Grand father yet was sold as a black President.
              Sometimes it pays to play along with the image. Billy T. James was no Maori but played the dumb Maori fullah because White New Zealanders payed him well to play the part. Winston Peters has always played the Maori boy who saw the light and turned into a Pakeha yet Winston is no Maori. Not quite sure where Simon Bridges fits into the image game but he might not be in the job long enough for us to find out. Lyn of Tawa and Fred Dag were all image. They were both posh school educated but found fame and fortune by playing dumb Kiwis. In fact posh people playing dumb people is very common in live acting and TV comedy. How come they don’t parody their own class? Most of the Labour Party members in England are University grads making a living representing the poorer classes while living in Mansions. One classic is Sue Bradford . She is as posh as the Queen but when she joined the Alliance/Greens she suddenly developed a faux down in the dumps west Auckland angry solo mother accent. Geeze Wayne. Even Mcphail and Gadsby were fake.
              The right image sells make no mistake about that.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 8, 2019

              As alcohol is the sump-oil of our capitalist+welfare-austerity system, and money is its fuel, so ‘fake’ is mostly our public expression of ourselves, the predominantly poisonous and noxious gases that come out the video-aural exhaust pipe of ‘light entertainment’ …

            • Gezza

               /  January 8, 2019

              I’m just saying going on what she says publicly her pakeha side doesn’t seem that important to her

              I don’t see why that’s a problem, bro?

            • Corky

               /  January 8, 2019

              It’s of no importance to me. She’s not my kind of person. It was just a smarmy reply to smarmy comments.

            • Gezza

               /  January 8, 2019

              Oh. Ok. Righto. 👍
              Forget I even asked.

      • Griff.

         /  January 8, 2019

        I meet that guy .
        Good old Sam Cash was a family friend for years.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 8, 2019

      As those photos have no connection with the very tall story told by the electrician, it’s hard to see how anyone can believe the story except Corky. It’s an obvious fantasy.

      Across, you will learn that doubting his fantasies is considered to be trolling, as is disproving them. His mocking, sneering and abuse are not trolling, of course, any more than his outright lies and pervy speculation are.

      When I pay a tradie, I don’t want to pay him to sit yakking, eating carrot cake and drinking coffee. I want him to do what he came to do and leave. At the prices charged by tradies, a nice chat and afternoon tea are an expensive luxury that I don’t want to pay for.

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      • Corky

         /  January 8, 2019

        Wow, now Kitty adds lie detection to her tool kit. She knows my life. Hell, all I had to do was ask and she would have told me about acoustic mirrors.

        ”When I pay a tradie, I don’t want to pay him to sit yakking, eating carrot cake and drinking coffee.”

        Wow, absolute genius..and quite true if he was on the clock. He wasn’t. I asked for a quote before hand. The boss had come around because he said on the phone a quote may not be possible because the job couldn’t be quantified. However, after being shown what I wanted done, he did a few inspections and said the job should be straight forward and his worker would tell me if extra work needed doing once he started the job.

        The only fantasy here is from a busy body bore who lives off other peoples posts feigning she can mind read.

        By the way, Kitty…can you fill this blog in on Loius Rota’s work. I mentioned him above.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 8, 2019

          One doesn’t need to be a mind reader to know when someone is talking nonsense.

          Is anyone called Loius ?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 8, 2019

            I find it hard to believe that all that was necessary for installing a powerpoint, which is a very straightforward job and can be DIY . Inspections by the boss??? Come on.

            The whole story sounds like another of your fantasies, like the one about the cloudbuster man at Victoria. NB, don’t be so specific as there is bound to be someone who has been there and knows the place.

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            • Corky

               /  January 8, 2019

              ”I find it hard to believe that all that was necessary for installing a powerpoint, which is a very straightforward job and can be DIY ”

              Really? Good luck with getting a compliance certificate and an insurance payout should there be a fire.

              About the cloud buster. As I stated, that is free for anyone to build and experiment with. Have you built one? No. That makes you ignorant and not fit to comment imo.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 8, 2019

              Of course I haven’t built a cloudbuster; they have been totally debunked and I have better things to do with my time than build a piece of rubbish that doesn’t work.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 8, 2019

              It can be done if it’s done in a workmanlike manner and it’s not done for pay. There are, of course, limits to what can be done. If fittings are sold, it’s likely that people can use them.

            • Corky

               /  January 8, 2019

              Then you have no right to talk bs on something you know nothing about. You are ignorant.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 8, 2019

              I have read enough about these ridiculous objects to know that they have been totally disproved and debunked. The fact that I haven’t made one is irrelevant. If they worked, there would be far fewer droughts in the world. Your excuse was that the owners of them don’t go there if they haven’t been invited; in other words. they’d let people die because they haven’t been invited to make the rain that would save them. Pathetic.

              I haven’t made a paper umbrella, either, I don’t need to use one to know that it wouldn’t work. I haven’t made the machine that supposedly cures cancer by vibrating the palms of the hands; I know that that doesn’t work, either. The fact that those who did died of cancer is enough of a hint.

              It goes the other way, of course; I don’t need to have built a plane, train or car to know that they do work.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 8, 2019

              Keep on trolling.

          • Corky

             /  January 8, 2019

            ”Is anyone called Loius ?”

            Yes, that’s incredible. You are right. No one to my knowledge is called Louis.

            ”One doesn’t need to be a mind reader to know when someone is talking nonsense.”

            Let me correct my mistake so you can tune in with your huge intellect.

            Louis Rota was his name. I’m not talking nonsense. You seem to know everything. Fill us in on his work. Post something of substance for a change instead of regurgitating tired cliche’s and catch phrases.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 8, 2019

              The name you gave was Loius, not Louis.

              The only tired cliches and weary old catchphrases are used by you. You must be talking nonsense about the installation of the power point. It is an easy job that doesn’t even need an electrician, never mind inspections by the boss. What do you take people for?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 8, 2019

              I don’t claim to know your life; I do know when someone’s talking rubbish. I have no wish to know about your life.

              You have in the past claimed to know about mine; that I have never had a husband, that I live on a widow’s pension (when there is no such thing), that I don’t have insurance (???) and various other falsehoods like the feral neighbours and various racial slurs that I was supposed to have used but hadn’t, needless to say.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 8, 2019

          It takes about 20 minutes to do one, and as you can buy the power point fitting in any hardware shop, it hardly seems a job that needs inspection and ‘quantifying’. We had one done here and it didn’t take long; a friend who knew about these things did it with a fitting from Bunnings.

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  3. Gezza

     /  January 8, 2019

    I just had a wonderfully pleasant discussion at the door with two Jehova’s Witness ladies. I politely said I didn’t believe in her god and she asked me “Well, what God do you believe in then? I said “Well, for a start there doesn’t have to be one, but if there is, there are several possibilities, but I don’t think you’d be interested in going over them all with me. It would take quite a bit of time.”

    I said, could I ask her some questions, pointed out where her answers didn’t make sense if you thought about it or when you considered this that and the other thing, and then smilingly told the older lady that from the answers she just gave she was obviously a much better person than her God.

    We each agreed with a grin there wasn’t any prospect of either of us changing the other’s mind and wished each other a pleasant day.

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    • Corky

       /  January 8, 2019

      Do they still offer free Watch Tower and Awake magazines?

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      • Gezza

         /  January 8, 2019

        They had Watch Tower and something else. But when I asked the older lady why she believed in her God, did she believe everything in the Bible was true, and was God all powerful, all good, all wise, all knowing, and how was it fair that Adam & Eve ended up damning us all, and why did Jaweh kill all those people he killed, and would she kill them (no), & if God was all wise how come everybody is so confused about which parts of the Bible are true, and why are there all these conflicts in the Word of God n stuff, she hung on to everything to have a think before replying. And then realised I probably wouldn’t find them very useful.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 8, 2019

          Where I live 2 or 3 of them arrive in an SUV and then they send a young man to the door … a boy really … who is obviously “learning the trade” …

          I’ve been very patient and accommodating but need to tell him there’s really no point in continuing to visit.

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          • Gezza

             /  January 8, 2019

            Well, I don’t always have the time like this morning and usually I need to end the conversation, but I always just tell the I don’t believe in Jaweh or any of the Abrahamic Gods so I’m not really interested. If they ask me what I believe or why I don’t believe I’ll usually answer them kindly & say why. But then I’ll ask them what they believe in the Bible & why they believe any of it.

            But it’s because I’m knowledgeable about the topic, enjoy the Q&A, & I like to watch them thinking and then working out as they listen to themselves that their answers aren’t even really convincing to themselves. If possible I always like to end by pointing out they’re a much better person than their God is.

            Some hurry away, but some just wander off after farewell pleasantries looking thoughtful.

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    • Ben Waimata

       /  January 8, 2019

      The JWs used to visit here semi-regularly but don’t anymore. Funny thing is I recall the last time they came quite clearly. I had been assisting in a calving and was in a desperate need of a clean. I had pulled off my overalls and was in the process of hosing down all my clothes when they arrived. Two attractive young girls and an older guy, face to face with a naked farmer hosing down his clothes. I was prepared to talk, but they seemed to need to be elsewhere in a hurry. That was years ago, they have not been back since.

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  4. Corky

     /  January 8, 2019

    They are cool pics. Apparently these mirrors are dotted all over Britain. I don’t remember them being mentioned in war documentaries. Have you heard of them before? One things for sure…. they would look cool in the garden if you had the space

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    • Gezza

       /  January 8, 2019

      No, I haven’t heard of them before but I’m sure they worked, in terms of reflecting and possibly even amplifying the sound of approaching aircraft, the same way amphitheatres, or the opposite bank of the stream here work. They just wouldn’t be very useful for estimating height, numbers and distance. And as the article notes, when the speed of prop aircraft doubled during WW2 they’d only catch a flash of sound eventually.

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  5. Corky

     /  January 8, 2019

    Mathew Hooton applying the hurt to Fonterra on talkback at the moment. He accuses them of adding no value to their product and wasting time on trying to destroy A2 Milk. He also said they lost theIr complete market control of milk products in Sri Lanka to Nestle.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 8, 2019

      Isn’t “complete market control” or monopoly a ‘bad’ thing?

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      • PartisanZ

         /  January 8, 2019

        Only problem is, Nestle aren’t vying for competition are they? They are vying for monopoly …

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      • Corky

         /  January 8, 2019

        It is when a socialist government puts constraints on how Fonterra can operate. That’s why in reality Fonterra doesn’t have a complete monopoly. Hooton is calling for a clean out of directors.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 8, 2019

          Oh shit yeah Corky … Fonterra should be allowed to go and do just whatever the fuck they like in other people’s countries … as well as here … We’d all be much better off …

          New directors are clearly required to get ‘The Big F’ back onto the above course, it’s natural business habitat …

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          • Corky

             /  January 8, 2019

            ”Oh shit yeah Corky … Fonterra should be allowed to go and do just whatever the fuck they like in other people’s countries.”

            Something wrong somewhere there, Parti. Is it the foul language? No. Ah,yes, I have it. Fonterra will ask the government to remove all constraints under which it operates. Once that’s done it will just need to march into any country and operate however they like. Stuff the sovereign rules of that country. Stuff their regulations… when Fonterra from Aotearoa comes a callin you had better get in line and kowtow.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  January 8, 2019

              We do it for the Chinese Corky … Why shouldn’t the Sri Lankan’s do it for us?

    • Duker

       /  January 8, 2019

      Anchor is still the largest brand in Sri Lanka- what is Hootun going on about.
      ‘New Zealand’s Anchor and Ratthi brands control 60 per cent of Sri Lanka’s milk powder consumption market which is estimated at 85,000 metric tonnes (MT) annually, industry sources said.

      The balance comes from Lakspray (12 per cent) and Nespray (8 per cent) which is also sourced from New Zealand, the sources said.
      http://www.sundaytimes.lk/130519/business-times/crisis-hit-fonterra-milk-controls-60-of-local-market-44508.html

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  6. Pickled Possum

     /  January 8, 2019

    On Nov 7th 2018 the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York notified a Committee of lawyers petitioning for an inquiry into the events of 911 that in accordance with US statue, he would present their case to a special grand jury.

    Prepared by the Lawyers Committee for 911 Inquiry, the 52-page petition, including 57 exhibits of evidence, claims to prove that on Nov 9th 2001 the major 3 buildings of the New York Trade Centre complex were destroyed by pre-planted explosive devices.

    In support of these claims, the Lawyers Committee asserts that its evidence is conclusive and unequivocal and permits no other conclusion- as a matter of science, as a matter of logic, and as a matter of law.

    Why have these stories not been reported in our media?
    Where are the investigative journos? do we have any in NZ to speak of.
    Besides Nicky and Ian ….

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    • Duker

       /  January 8, 2019

      Because its fake news

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      • Duker

         /  January 8, 2019

        They just got a form letter that says nothing about a Grand jury- thats the fake news bit- and of course there wont be one

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  January 8, 2019

          The U.S. Attorney notified the Lawyers’ Committee in writing that he would comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3332 requiring him to relay their report to a Special Grand Jury.

          18 U.S. Code § 3332 – Powers and duties

          (a) It shall be the duty of each such grand jury impaneled within any judicial district to inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district. Such alleged offenses may be brought to the attention of the grand jury by the court or by any attorney appearing on behalf of the United States for the presentation of evidence. Any such attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney’s action or recommendation.

          (b) Whenever the district court determines that the volume of business of the special grand jury exceeds the capacity of the grand jury to discharge its obligations, the district court may order an additional special grand jury for that district to be impaneled.

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          • Duker

             /  January 8, 2019

            rubbish
            only part of your story is true
            ‘”The U.S. Attorney notified the Lawyers’ Committee in writing that he would comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3332 ”

            Not a word about a GJ, as there wont be one, as its optional
            Its like a form letter saying ‘Your complaint is important to us…blah blah’

            Only the gullible and the foolish think that its ‘means what it says’

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            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 8, 2019

              READ the 18 U.S. Code § 3332 – Powers and duties
              which the AG wrote ‘he would comply with ‘

              I was just interested and wondered how real it is
              not interested in a shit fight with name calling…
              don’t know you well enuff for that.

            • Duker

               /  January 8, 2019

              Read the law . It says MAY put information before a special grand jury.

              It may help you to realise this is the way the ‘deep state’ shuts down stuff.
              feel better?

            • Pickled Possum

               /  January 8, 2019

              yea yea feeling good just like I should

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 8, 2019

      🤔 Maybe because investigative journos need a way of getting paid … and that’s what they’re off doing … not doing investigative journalism?

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    • Gezza

       /  January 8, 2019

      Gawd these stories have been reported in the media, they’ve been debunked so often I think everybody’s just given up as there’s never anything new and it’s not worth the effort of having the endless arguments from some of the fringe nutters or spending any more money on it.

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  January 8, 2019

        speak for your self bro
        I am used to being shut down being Maori and all 😎
        but I am wondering if there is anything in this story which came by me in a letter in the Northland age today. Of course, I will not give all of my energy to it as the wai262 needs looking into as well and the fish fertiliser needs turning ewwwww.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 8, 2019

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

          This is the most well-known conspiracy theory Possum. it’s been around since 2001.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories

          There’s a ton of material on it on the net if you can be bothered going looking for it. I spent time over several months looking into the for and against arguments. The controlled demolition conspiracy claims just don’t add up, but you need to work through a ton of material, not all of which comes up on initial google searches.

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  January 8, 2019

            yea nah I Have heard all that before bro but it has neva come to this point.
            not really that concerned about others views on history just the letter I read today. oh well, here I come smelly fish.

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            • Gezza

               /  January 8, 2019

              You’ve reminded me, whatever happened to Uggers (Ugly Truth)?
              He was a great believer in most popular conspiracy theories, including that someone dropped a neutron bomb in Yemen.
              The Deep State Forces might’ve located his bunker?

            • Gezza

               /  January 8, 2019

              Yup. Looks like they took out his website, too. I still had it bookmarked.

              502 Bad Gateway
              openresty/1.13.6.1

  7. lurcher1948

     /  January 8, 2019

    Farrar gets a ranter to post to his”blog”
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/guest_post_the_taxpayer_funded_atm.html
    caution swearing and childish rants
    PG you might get a cameo if the is Farrars standards

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    • Gezza

       /  January 8, 2019

      That one seems to have been written by someone who had psychedelic weirdburgers for lunch first.

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  8. Ben Waimata

     /  January 8, 2019

    This might sound stupid (and possibly is!), but it’s a serious question.

    Many commentators say the Green Party is socialist. But looking at their policies I don’t see socialism, or at least not in a form I understand. Socialism was traditionally about the workers, owning the means of production, personal returns based on input, egalitarian social togetherness etc, but always with a recognition of the interdependance of individual and collective. Socialist citizenship is equally about rights and responsibility. But modern ideas labeled ‘socialism’ seem to be about something altogether different. For example the Green Party TOW policy essentially gives a different degree of citizenship to people depending on DNA. Their pro-beneficiary policies are the opposite of traditional socialism, with tax-paying workers supporting a non-productive class who are receiving this as a right with no social obligations themselves. Surely these two policies alone mean the Green Party is not socialist? And as for all the identity politics stuff we are bombarded with with every ‘victim’ trying to prove ‘most aggrieved status’, this stuff seems fundamentally opposed to true socialism.

    So am I missing something? Has ‘socialism’ radically changed it’s meaning? Or has the identity politics victimhood bs taken over and traditional socialism taken a back seat? Socialism always required an essential human dignity that sadly the modern self-obsessed alleged leftie seems to have lost.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 8, 2019

      Well, you’ve given a pretty good rationale for why we could just larf at people who call the Greens socialists, or communists. Social Justice Warriors is still good though.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 8, 2019

      @Ben Waimata – “Socialism always required an essential human dignity that sadly the modern self-obsessed alleged leftie seems to have lost.”

      Well Ben, perhaps you can take consolation from the fact that modern self-obsessed ‘Righties’ have lost a great deal more essential human dignity than so-called Lefties?

      They, the Righties, for instance, have totally distorted, confounded and warped the meaning of the word “socialism” to the point where, to them, it is very like a racial slur …

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      • Ben Waimata

         /  January 8, 2019

        I wasn’t clear, I always think of myself as LW. I was a member of the Communist League for a short time while at uni, and have voted green 4 elections in a row until last election when I voted Labour. I didn’t vote green because I could no longer see true left values in their pro-beneficiary policies, amongst other things. Entitlement without responsibility is not a LW value. Hence my description of ‘self obsessed lefties’, supposed to be a distinction from socially-aware lefties.

        Yes interesting comment that the right uses ‘socialism’ as a derogatory term, are you suggesting that this is where the change in meaning of ‘socialism’ to pro-victim pro-identity pro-individual rather than pro-society as a whole has come from?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 8, 2019

          I’m not sure I follow it enough in those sorts of terms to comment on your question. I’ve never really considered voting Green …

          Take out the ‘identity’ thing first I reckon, since everyone has one and is involved in ‘identity politics’ one way or another … National and Labour are as much identity politics – or try to be – as any others …

          I doubt if the Left are any more responsible than the Right for “entitlement without responsibility” … What would be a “true left values” beneficiary policy? Work for the dole?

          Left and Right became very confused after the 1984 election of an ostensibly Labour government which proceeded to institute economic policies that could only be described as Right-Wing …

          A very brief look just now at Green Party policies demonstrates considerable social awareness to me … I like their TOW policy which acknowledges an ongoing relationship … not something to be ‘finalized’ … I don’t see “support of people while they need it” as entitlement without responsibility.

          You’d have to show me an example of pro-victim?

          The over-indulgence of pro-individual is the scourge of the age, surely? It’s the foundation of neoliberalism which I consider to be Right-Wing … an infantile belief and zealot dedication to the ‘invisible hand’ of the marketplace …

          “The fundamental problem … of our life is to establish the right relation between the individual and the community as a whole, the individual groups, and the organisation as a whole … we must derive the synthesis (of individual and State) by which, from our realization of the position of Man[kind] in the world, we may gain understanding for the play of forces between the general and the particular, from which alone harmony arises.” (Frank E Warner, ‘Future of Man’, London 1944)

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      • Corky

         /  January 9, 2019

        ”They, the Righties, for instance, have totally distorted, confounded and warped the meaning of the word “socialism” to the point where, to them, it is very like a racial slur …”

        No, Parti. Socialism and its derivatives have been put to the test time and again. And time and again they have failed. Sometimes with huge loss of life.

        Righties just point out these facts, while simultaneously pointing out the benefits of capitalism. While far from perfect, capitalism has proven itself time and again.

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  9. PartisanZ

     /  January 8, 2019

    Someone else is thinking about it! Two-tier Basic Income …

    http://www.superposition.hu/en/blog/two-tier-basic-income-ideal-monetary-system-part-9

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