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10 January 2019

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    • Gezza

       /  January 10, 2019

      Grant Robertson, who holds the finance and sport portfolios, could not be reached for comment, but is understood to be wary about spending taxpayers money on stadiums.

      Grant lives in Welly. Welly’s got a stadium. No problem. 👍

      Goff & Aucklanders have a problem with Eden Park; they don’t have any stadiums big enuf. They need to sort this out themselves. WTF is wrong with that place?

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      • Blazer

         /  January 10, 2019

        the Council does not own Eden Park.
        The trust that does had no trouble getting loans and guarantees from the Council for over 40 million.

        Its not cricket…but it is…Rugby.

        Not viable now or ever…standby for private equity to swoop at a bargain price and build…apartments…after the Council decides on a new stadium…naturellement.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 10, 2019

          Aren’t Goff and the council asking for money for Aucklanders from the government, which has a finance minister who lives in Wellington, which has a stadium?

          That said, I don’t know if the government gave money for Wellington’s stadium. I’ve always assumed the ratepayers are still paying for it. I don’t visit it very often. And I pay exorbitant prices if I get hungry or thirsty there.

          Not viable now or ever…standby for private equity to swoop at a bargain price and build…apartments…after the Council decides on a new stadium…naturellement.

          Ok. I don’t care. I imagine me neighbour Lurchy 5 kms down the highway in misty Newlands doesn’t either.

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          • Blazer

             /  January 10, 2019

            but you care about whether or not Trump gets his wall,Brexit and so many other things that are not in your own …back yard!

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            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2019

              No. I just look at those issues and have opinions on them. My opinions have absolutely zero impact on what will happen & I know that. Just as with Eden Park. How much impact do you think your opinions will have on the resolution of the issues you comment on?

            • Blazer

               /  January 10, 2019

              well Donald says he values my opinions…don’t know what Theresa…thinks.

            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2019

              What’s he valued them at?

              I’d get his valuation checked too. Can’t trust that bastard. He’ll buy them cheap or just nick them, and then sell them for a fortune, telling everyone they’re his, if they’re any good.

      • duperez

         /  January 10, 2019

        Many sports journalists and sports media people have grizzled over the years about how bad Eden Park is and said Auckland needed a new stadium. If they spent a portion of their time and words in getting themselves together and organised with others and doing something constructive, there’d be a fancy multi-purpose stadium in the city by now.

        Wherever and whenever one is built there will be complaints about poor transport infrastructure to get to it, why it isn’t on the waterfront or why it is on the waterfront and of course the cost cost cost.

        I would love a stadium for concerts to be somewhere in the inner city simply to be able to smile at some of the many residents living close by complaining about the noise from concerts. 🙂

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        • acrossthespectrum

           /  January 10, 2019

          Stadiums never make money.
          Even Multi Billion dollar NFL stadiums are often
          privately financed or are paid for by
          hotel room taxes from large City corporations.
          A tiny country like NZ has 14 test venues
          ridiculous when you think Wales has just one.
          Geographically challenged we are but 3 is actually enough.
          Dunedin Wellington and Auckland is enough.
          But Christchurch will whine till they get a new one while
          Tauranga/Rotorua Palmerston North Taupo Nelson Napier
          New Plymouth Whangarei Hamilton North Shore are test capable.
          NZ needs a major paring back of venues like
          the racing industry is halving the number of courses.
          Building is the easy part. Keeping them viable is the real issue.
          New Stadium need to be multi complex venues built
          in or around shopping complexes and or other
          businesses/organisations to share the financial up keep.
          The University could perhaps build a stadium which
          other organisations rent/lease.
          Or a new huge shopping complex could build a stadium
          within its frame work in the same way.
          May be a Mount Smart update with a 4G pitch
          to allow both League and rugby to be played and share costs?
          Stadiums need to be much smaller because
          they only reach capacity one or twice a year.
          But our boys like our toys and Mayor’s
          like building huge edifices to them selves which
          they of course won’t be around to maintain.
          Some of us men are plain silly.
          Nobody on this site falls into that category though 🙂 🙂 🙂

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          • duperez

             /  January 10, 2019

            Do you think among the reasons Wales has one international rugby stadium is to do with the size of the country? Wales not much more than 250km, NZ about 1600km from top to bottom. Wales 2-3 hours by train from London, about half the road time Dunedin to Christchurch.

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            • acrossthespectrum

               /  January 10, 2019

              Yes geographical challenges 1900-1920 clearly dictated this pattern because this was before planes and crossing the strait was a challenge. But the increase from 4 to 14 test venues in NZ has actually taken place since the 1980’s Hosting 2 world cups the first in 1987 meant we had to have 10 grounds up graded to international standard and by 2011 it was up to 14. Hosting these tournaments is a buzz but who pays for the up keep till the next word cup in 30 years time? Plus people watch online now with crowds out side of tests falling dramatically. Eden Park is fine but promising a new stadium will become an essential part of any
              Mayoral candidates list of promises and by default the
              pressure will force a new build bigger and better…but at what cost.

            • duperez

               /  January 10, 2019

              The stadium in Whangarei was upgraded for the RWC. I don’t know about others around the country but I don’t think that one is a white elephant or big drain on finances. (The conclusions drawn by the fact that a range of things happen there and are there aren’t headlines about how much it’s costing or letters to the editor with grizzling.)
              FIFA U20 matches were played there and Women’s Rugby World Cup matches will be there.

              http://www.venuesandeventswhangarei.co.nz/Northland-Events-Centre/Pages/default.aspx

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 10, 2019

      I can’t see how such a huge capital asset can be economic when it is so constrained by the surrounding Chardonnay Socialists from running evening events. That and the continuing failure of Auckland Rugby to properly manage its human assets seem to be the final straws.

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  1. PartisanZ

     /  January 10, 2019

    ‘Convicted euthanasia advocate: ‘I was made a scapegoat’ – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12166426

    “But Austen said she doesn’t quite know why she believes in euthanasia so strongly.

    “I believe that in many things that have happened in New Zealand society that it’s a natural progress. And it is progress, I believe, not a degeneration into murdering people. This is absolutely atrocious scaremongering. It’s not like that at all.”

    Having the option to end their lives in a peaceful way gave people valuable peace of mind, which is often all they wanted, she said.”

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  January 10, 2019

    Mathew Hooten wants maoris paid the pension earlier due to the fact they smoke,take drugs eat fat are OBESE dont exercise and its everyone elses fault, so is everyone here in agreement, maori get the penson at 60, where stupid,due to working fit white folks wait to 65
    asking for a pensioner

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    • acrossthespectrum

       /  January 10, 2019

      Many European smoke take drugs eat fat are obese don’t exercise and it’s all Maori’s fault according to Grey/white power. Spin spin spin. The biggest fat European is criminal Kim dot com already racking up 7 years safe haven in NZ even got a personal audience with the the former PM.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  January 10, 2019

        YAWN…we live longer acrossthespectrum than maoris because WHITIES have better genes as we are the true warrior breed,read history

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        • acrossthespectrum

           /  January 10, 2019

          Warriors don’t live long ask those who went over the top in the Somme July 1 1916. The British suffered 57,000 casualties.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  January 10, 2019

        So whites in NZ should be able to retire at 60 yo, they will live and the maoris die, the circle turns…and the bad genes die

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  3. acrossthespectrum

     /  January 10, 2019

    Big ups to Pete for the great blog he runs. A constant stream of interesting topical issues. Very fair moderating is to his credit.

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  4. Gezza

     /  January 10, 2019

    Thought For The Day

    On the sandwich board outside the (female) Florist’s in Tawa Village:

    Telling a woman to calm down works as well as baptising a cat

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  5. acrossthespectrum

     /  January 10, 2019

    Every business in town seems to sell coffee these days as a courtesy but that florist sells sarnies as well eh.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 10, 2019

      You seem to have lived a sheltered life.

      Sandwich board:

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      • acrossthespectrum

         /  January 10, 2019

        @Gezza /
        You seem to have lived a sheltered life.

        Sandwich board:

        You seem to have lived a sheltered life.

        Sandwich board:?
        Err… you really think I don’t know what a sandwich board is Corks 🙂
        Just havin ya on bo ….

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 10, 2019

          Sandwich boards were originally worn with shoulder straps, the man wearing them was a sandwich man as he was in the middle.

          I refused to be seen with them when my old man and another man went round the streets with these on advertising the party.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 10, 2019

          Err… you really think I don’t know what a sandwich board is Corks 🙂
          Just havin ya on bo ….

          Not sure how I suddenly became Corks there. But yeah, I know.

          I can never seem to pass up an opportunity to exploit an ambiguity & will happily appear somwhat slow in order to do so, seeing this isn’t the real world and other posters know I’m not stupid.

          And I love reflecting back exactly what somebody puts out to me if I’ve a mind to. So I just work with what they say. I don’t bother to mind read what they might have meant.

          I’d add that I enjoy irony – but sarcasm is not only wasted on me, it’s an absolute gift. 😀

          Just saying.

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          • acrossthespectrum

             /  January 10, 2019

            @Corky. Corks is like Thomo for Thompson
            or Gazza for Gary. Meant to be friendly 🙂

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            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2019

              Why does that begin @Corky?

              Corks hasn’t posted anywhere in this strange exchange we are having?

            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2019

              PS: Gezza is short for Gerry, which is short for Sir Gerald Ormsby Battersea Bradders, North Wellington Avian Aviation Authority.

            • acrossthespectrum

               /  January 10, 2019

              @Gezza.”Why does that begin @Corky”?
              Corks hasn’t posted anywhere in this
              strange exchange we are having?”
              As 99 used to say sorry about that Chief or in this case Gezza.
              I have had a busy day.
              Would you believe I was held hostage by aliens?
              How about a man who looked a little strange?
              Two hamsters and a starling?
              Next time I will use the cone of silence 🙂

      • lurcher1948

         /  January 10, 2019

        REALITYCHECK

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        • Gezza

           /  January 10, 2019

          😳

          It’s a fail, I’m afraid, Lurchy. That was pretty unreal.

          I can’t relate that to my comment in any useful or meaningful way? :/

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  January 10, 2019

    You have to laugh, over on kiwiblog amongst the russian girlfriends ads is an ad for BITCOIN and what former PM is the face,remember these post is on KIWIBLOG and is a scam(like the runaway PM)

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  7. Corky

     /  January 10, 2019

    Crikey..if Parti gets hold of this all hell will break loose.

    http://canadianpatriot.org/3919-2/

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    • Gezza

       /  January 10, 2019

      Christ ! 😮

      Call MOD and ask PG to delete it, asap Corks.

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      • Corky

         /  January 10, 2019

        Too late.. I will just have to take my lumps. Hope Parti doesn’t read about that ‘new paradigm thingy.”

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 10, 2019

      Only skim read it …. “The Real American System Was Always “Win-Win”? Yeah, Right!

      “Two systems … One looks toward universal war; the other to universal peace. One is the English system: the other we may be proud to call the American system, for it is the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world.”

      Oh FFS … written in 1851 …

      Go ahead, convince me the slave trade between Africa and the Americas was “win-win”?

      Win-Win if you were White and already well-off. In other words, Win-Win equals Win More!

      Convince me “gun boat diplomacy” was win-win?

      The only question really is: When did America turn away from this “peaceful” system towards one of “universal war”, which is clearly what they’ve been involved in since 1917 or maybe considerably earlier? Since the Civil War? Since their ‘Revolution’? Since the Pilgrims arrival and treatment of the Aboriginal Native Americans?

      Excellent New Paradigm stuff though: Like it …

      “When the human species has so consistently demonstrated a capacity to discover the laws of the universe for the service of humanity, and when the universe has demonstrated such a limitless abundance of new principles to be discovered, then how could anyone in their right mind still believe that we live in a world of scarcity and materialism? With entire nations are now moving in a new direction which is in harmony with those laws of nature that demand cooperation, peace and development take precedence over tyranny, war and ignorance, why would we choose to not change our paradigm in order to have a dignified and exciting future actually worth living in?”

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      • Griff.

         /  January 10, 2019

        You clicked on one of corks links.
        Do you practice self flagellation as well?
        Just asking…..

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        • Corky

           /  January 10, 2019

          Anything of worth to say about apples, Griff?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 10, 2019

          Vaguely interested to know what motivates the likes of Corky … and ‘patriots’ in general Griff …

          Heck, I read your own comments about Maori, which to me are akin to enduring a session with a sadist …

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          • Gezza

             /  January 10, 2019

            Tribalism is what motivates them – same as it is what sometimes motivates you.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  January 10, 2019

              “Tribalism” in the broader sense of the word, e.g. group identification and the desire to belong, is probably what motivates us all?

              We are Great Apes …

            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2019

              Yes, I think so, very often Parti. I don’t mean that offensively, more dispassionately. You know my views on this and they’re not just whimsical thoughts.

              It’s been necessary for me throughout my life to analyse my own and others’ behaviours, constantly demonstrated, that conflict with what our higher brain functions and thoughts seek to achieve, which is nearly always harmony with all other humans.

              It’s only when you why is that so hard to constantly achieve that you realise something else is making it difficult. It’s the basic animal side of our nature; it’s still a very powerful part of our brain structure and psycho-physiology. And the seat of our emotions. We can displace aggresssive and defensive and dominance and place in hierachical pecking order emotions into abstract spheres.

              We are not the only animal that grieves. Although most don’t, there are some who have been observed whose behaviours are clearly grieving, whether individually or collectively. But they don’t have the capacity to harbour thoughts of vengeance or retribution because they can’t construct the imaginary worlds we can to lock our aggression into.

              And their conflicts to establish dominance or enforced neutrality thus co-operation are restricted to the physical realm and size. Ours aren’t. Puny individuals can dominate in our world if their mental strength or earning capacity/wallets are the strongest, for example. And so can big individuals. Our species has many ways to fight and to bluff.

              I don’t know what tribe I belong to. I think maybe I just defend myself if attacked and otherwise operate in my own little territory and observe, curious. I don’t think I feel a need to dominate anyone (altho I need to attempt to beat back an attacker seeking to dominate me, by whatever strategy I think will work best on them). Others may think differently but this is what I currently think.

              It’s possible I guess someone could say well what about religion? But all I want to do there is get someone to convince me they are right and question their justifications. It’s not usually me who ends the discussion.

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 10, 2019

      Corky … you’re starting to show ‘double-agent’ tendencies like Kiwi Guy did …

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      • Corky

         /  January 10, 2019

        Who is Kiwi Guy, Parti? I am me..I don’t need any extra identities to support myself like others do if that’s what you are inferring.

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      • Corky

         /  January 10, 2019

        ”Only skim read it …. “The Real American System Was Always “Win-Win”? Yeah, Right!”

        Japan?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 10, 2019

          So … What is the Canadian Patriot and yourself actually advocating?

          Intensified ‘nationalism’ in conjunction with “a new direction which is in harmony with those laws of nature that demand cooperation, peace and development”?

          LIke what? Globalized world trade? Global cooperative governance?

          I have to admit I don’t understand. Please elaborate Corky … or are you wasting my time as I cross your bridge?

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  January 10, 2019

    https://t.co/D45A1wgPru
    6 weeks to recover ???,i dont think so,,never going to drive again welcome to the real world

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  January 10, 2019

    Things happen in CUBA by the USA
    https://t.co/5h3DMSvt40

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    • Gezza

       /  January 10, 2019

      Washington (CNN)A former commander at US Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was arrested in Jacksonville, Florida, on Wednesday and charged with obstruction of justice, concealment, falsifying records and making false statements during an investigation into the death of a civilian worker who drowned near the base in 2015.

      Navy Capt. John Nettleton is accused of interfering with a probe related to the death of Christopher Tur, a loss prevention safety manager at the facility’s Naval Exchange who was found dead in waters near the military facility on January 11, 2015, according to the indictment returned by a federal grand jury.

      An autopsy revealed that Tur had suffered injuries prior to his drowning

      After Tur’s body was discovered, Navy investigators received an anonymous complaint alleging that Nettleton and Tur’s wife had an extramarital affair and had been “engaging in physical contact” the night before Tur was reported missing, according to the indictment.
      Nettleton and Tur’s wife continued to deny the allegations when asked by investigators but the indictment says they discussed their relationship after Tur’s wife was interviewed by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. The court documents say that Tur’s wife informed Nettleton she had denied the affair and told him she believed their relationship was “none of their business.”

      Nettleton agreed, according to the indictment.

      Nettleton was relieved of duty in January 2015 after Tur’s death “due to loss of confidence” in his “ability to command,” the Navy said.
      . . . . . . . .
      As the 7th Commandment wisely reflects: Never monkey with another monkey’s monkey.
      It often doesn’t end well.

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  10. Corky

     /  January 10, 2019

    I gave Japan as an example of a win win situation.

    What are they advocating? Joining the Silk Road.

    Tell you what, Parti. It’s Friday. Let’s give this a miss. I see the resident troll has arrived.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 10, 2019

      We have all seen that you have; the name’s a bit of a giveaway that Corky the Resident Troll is here.

      It’s still Thursday here.

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      • Corky

         /  January 10, 2019

        How do you know I was talking about you?

        ”Kitty Catkin / January 10, 2019
        Don’t waste your time with someone who doesn’t know the difference between aids and aides.”

        ‘It’s still Thursday here.’

        Oh, yes, kind of obvious. Enough said.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 10, 2019

          Obvious to other people, not to you as you talked about Trump’s ‘aids’ and said that to today was Friday.

          As you are the Resident Troll and have been for some time, it was indeed obvious that you meant yourself. Nobody trolls like you; your title is safe.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 10, 2019

      Japan as a “win-win” situation! … You have got to the fuck be kidding me!!!

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  January 10, 2019

    PG 12 posts of mine are under moderation today, i wonder if the Standard and Kiwiblog have it right,you DONT allow posts and are the sheriff….just pointing it out PG…have i been banned??????

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    • No. I have been out all afternoon at the pool and hydroslide with my grandchildren and had time out from checking comments.

      Quite a few of your comments are not up to standard so will not get through. You should be aware of this.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  January 10, 2019

        HOW MANY PG…i think im an educated poster, should i become an IGM or an arsehole like Nostradamus,needling you,im a nice person,my dogs said that

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  12. PartisanZ

     /  January 10, 2019

    From the same self-published book by Hans Jurgen-Geese, ‘I984: The Year New Zealanders Became Slaves’ … these extraordinary quotes from the late Tony Judt, the second of which apparently concludes his book “Ill Fares the Land”, published posthumously in 2010 …

    “Behind every cynical (or merely incompetent) banking executive and trader sits an economist, assuring them (and us) that their actions are publicly useful and should in any case not be subject to collective oversight”

    And, remarkably, “If the purpose of life as lived by everyone you see is to succeed in business, then this will become the default goal of all but the most independent young person. As we know from Tolstoy, ‘there are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him’

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/apr/11/ill-fares-land-tony-judt

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