Reaction to Trump’s border wall speech – more crisis in Washington?

After Donald trump asked all major US television channels to broadcast live a speech on trying to secure funding to progress his Mexican border wall project, there has been a range of reactions.  As usual both sides of the standoff deserve criticism.

The United State’s southern border is a major problem, but Trump’s (and his Administration’s) handling of it has been terrible. Bluster, tantrum and false claims keep Trump in the firing line for criticism, dominating the problems.

Washington Examiner editorial:  All’s not well at the southern border

We do not have an emergency at the southern border, and so it’s good President Trump did not try to seize power by declaring a state of emergency during his national address on Tuesday night.

We do have a serious problem with border security, and so it’s unfortunate Democrats and the press have tried to downplay the problem.

Some of our southern border has physical barriers. For much of it, though, we depend on natural barriers to deter illegal entry, such as the cruel desert or the Rio Grande. If it’s already illegal and deadly to cross in these places, there’s little sense to the protestations by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., that a physical barrier there would be immoral.

Of course, Trump doesn’t help his cause when he exaggerates, misrepresents, and misunderstands the facts. It’s not true that terrorists are streaming across our southern border. It’s also not true that our unprotected border areas are the main avenue for illegal drugs — those are mostly smuggled in through valid border crossings, as far as the data can tell us.

Is the problem growing, declining, or generally steady? That depends on how you measure it. We wouldn’t call it an emergency, and we argued against such a declaration by Trump.

But Trump has a magical power to control what people think, particularly his opponents. Trump’s overblown statements about terrorists, heroin, and emergencies have driven his critics to declare our southern border is just fine. That’s a lie.

Are there really people saying the US-Mexican border is just fine?

Our border is porous, and our country suffers from it. Better physical barriers would help. Once we accept that basic truth, we can have a better debate.

It looks unlikely that trump is interested in debate let alone better debate.

New York Times:  The Crisis Is in the Oval Office

How fitting is it that President Trump’s first Oval Office address, which he requested be televised live in prime time by every major network, was aimed at stirring up the American public about a crisis largely of his own making?

Pursuing poorly thought-out and even more poorly executed policies on the pretext of battling a nonexistent national security crisis, Mr. Trump has helped create a pressing humanitarian one.

Mr. Trump is now invoking the urgency of the situation as a justification for pursuing more wasteful, hard-line measures that most Americans do not support, chiefly the ludicrous border wall over which he has shut down critical pieces of the government. The president and his enablers have been busily knitting together inaccurate data, misleading anecdotes, exaggerations and other “alternative facts” about the flow of criminals, drugs and terrorists across the southern border.

Failing that, Mr. Trump has also been floating the possibility of stiff-arming Congress altogether. With his advisers increasingly anxious that Republican lawmakers are poised to abandon them on the shutdown, the president has raised the threat of declaring a national emergency, which he thinks would allow him to command the Pentagon to build his wall.

Such a move would prompt a swift and furious legal challenge, if not a full-blown constitutional crisis, that could drag on indefinitely.

I wouldn’t rule out this being a plan of Trump’s. Who would know what his aim is?

While Mr. Trump proved a wily campaigner and political street fighter, as president he has been painfully out of his element. Two years in, he remains ill suited to the complicated, thankless, often grinding work of leading the nation. Governance clearly bores him, as do policy details both foreign and domestic. He has proved a poor judge of talent. He prefers grandstanding to negotiating, and he continues to have trouble with the whole concept of checks and balances.

While the Republican base remains enamored of him, most of the electorate has grown weary of his outrages and antics.

Which is why, with his wall on the line, Mr. Trump so desperately needs to convince the American people that they are facing an acute crisis — maybe even a bona fide emergency.

Josh Campbell (CNN):  Presidential address: The one word Trump didn’t say

In recent days, his administration has sought to whip up fear by scaring people into believing our nation faced a major crisis involving known or suspected terrorists attempting to gain entry in the country. The goal appeared to be trying to manipulate the public’s emotions to persuade people that a border wall would stop dangerous terrorists from coming into the country to kill innocent Americans.

After persistent and repeated fact-checking by journalists and experts, all pointing out the administration’s lies and misleading statements, the White House seems to have retreated from the terror scare. In addressing the nation Tuesday, Trump never uttered the word terrorism.

Last week, DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen stood in the White House Rose Garden and caused jaws to drop by publicly indicating authorities had stopped over 3,000 known or suspected terrorists from entering the southern border.

Vice President Michael Pence later echoed these same figures on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

The problem is, this number was in part highly misleading and in part actually false, as it referred to a broad category of people, based in part on their country of origin, not necessarily their own individual actions, and mischaracterized where they entered the country.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told the biggest whopper of them all, insisting last weekend on Fox News that nearly 4,000 terrorists actually made their way into the country, adding “we know that our most vulnerable point of entry is at our southern border.” She was fact-checked in real-time by host Chris Wallace, who pointed out that although suspected terrorists have been prevented from entering the country, their method of transit was mainly airports, not just the southern border. He said, “They’re not coming across the southern border, Sarah, they’re coming and they’re being stopped at airports.”

The false Sanders narrative went uncorrected by anyone from the Trump administration until Tuesday, when Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway finally shrugged it off as “an unfortunate misstatement,” adding, “Everyone makes mistakes.”

Some make more ‘mistakes’ than others.

One of the biggest mistakes being made by Trump and his administration is the amount of bullshit they keep spinning. They have got away with a lot, but soft supporters must gradually be questioning their truthlessness and lack of honesty.

Howard Kurtz (Fox News):  Many pundits rip Trump’s border speech — both before and after

President Trump used his much-disputed television time to portray the border as a humanitarian and law-enforcement crisis of the “heart” and “soul,” but not before some media organizations preemptively accused him of spreading lies about the issue.

The president, in sober tones, said nothing about declaring a national emergency, focusing instead on how migrant children are used as “human pawns” and how drugs and criminals are pouring across the border. He also made the economic case, saying illegal immigrants drive down wages, especially for blacks and Hispanics. And he declared that “the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only” — that the Democrats refuse to provide $5.7 billion for “border security.”

Nancy Pelosi, with Chuck Schumer, soon offered the rebuttal, saying the Democrats were all for border security, but not an ineffective wall. She said Trump was holding federal workers “hostage” and that his remarks were “full of misinformation and even malice” — a phrase the Democrats had used hours before the Oval Office address.

In similar fashion, some cable news anchors who had been predicting the president would lie in his speech came on the air soon afterward to make that charge, which was not leveled at the Democratic leaders.

Despite the enormous buildup, nothing that either side said seemed likely to change many minds — or hasten an end to the 18-day partial shutdown.

There is a growing crisis for many Government workers:

There’s a case to be made that this is an artificial crisis, with Trump using the border situation to pound away at his signature promise to build a wall and the Democrats determined to deny him that funding. But there’s also a very real crisis, in which both parties play a role, as 800,000 federal workers continue to go without paychecks and the ripple effects of the partial shutdown are increasingly hitting the economy.

But there’s no denying the political dimension of the shutdown. Half an hour after the Trump speech, his campaign sent out a fundraising pitch saying “he will NOT cave to the Democrats when it comes to YOUR SAFETY…The President is counting on you in this fight, we must hit our goal of $500,000 in ONE DAY.”

Does Trump have a fundraising crisis? This was Trump’s first Oval Office address in two years of office. It seems cynical to use that as a fundraising opportunity.

Trump is due to visit the southern border soon, in an apparent PR blitz, but so far the Democrats who now have the numbers to allow or deny him his wall funding are holding out.

While it can be argued that there is some sort of crisis on the border, it is getting easier to argue that there is a growing crisis in Washington – their dysfunctional system of government looks like it’s in a slide downhill.

67 Comments

  1. David

     /  10th January 2019

    And this morning Trump signed important anti human trafficking law and allocated a ton of funding to make it effective. This has seen loads of support come in from womens groups, refugee organisations and Hollywood…wait no lets just keep focussing on allowing tens of thousands of gardeners and domestic and construction workers to flood into California so rich elite Democrats can get cheap labour around the house.
    Lets not mention the undercutting of Americans wages or that all the Democrats voted for border security in 2006 and 2013.

    • Duker

       /  10th January 2019

      Trump doesnt allocate funding . Thats Congress job. Indeed if he could just ‘allocate funding’ he would have done that before for his wall

      • David

         /  10th January 2019

        OK he requested Congress to fund his anti trafficking and they agreed.

        • Duker

           /  10th January 2019

          Other Human Trafficking laws have been passed before in US, whats so NEW about this one?

          Oh thats right
          “FOSTA carves out a new exception to Section 230 of the Communication Decency Act, which shields website operators from liability for user-generated content. It states that Section 230 doesn’t apply to civil and criminal charges of sex trafficking, or to conduct that “promotes or facilitates prostitution.”

          Big deal , just covers some promoters of online sites that MIGHT advertise prostitution services supplied women trafficked.
          Yawn. There was an earlier law signed called SESTA which did much the same thing.
          https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/11/17223720/trump-signs-fosta-sesta-sex-trafficking-section-230-law

          Trump really wants those hookers who got money out of him stopped !

  2. Gezza

     /  10th January 2019

    Sponsored by Fox News, CNN, Right, Left & Centre MSM, Twitter & Facebook

    Circus America – Series 3: The Democrats Take The House

  3. Corky

     /  10th January 2019

    ”While Mr. Trump proved a wily campaigner and political street fighter, as president he has been painfully out of his element.”

    True..and with Trumpy stripping the glib bs from the political process, media and the Democrats have been painfully out of their element. The former relies on doing stuff no matter what it takes. That latter need ”processes” to function. When those processes are removed they are shown up for the talentless hacks they are.

    Apparently, the Democrats rebuttal of Trumps speech is being laughed at in some quarters. That would be a pleasant change if true.

    The question is: did Trump want to make that speech..or did his aids want him to?

    • Gezza

       /  10th January 2019

      and with Trumpy stripping the glib bs from the political process

      The man’s entire life has been based on bullying bankruptcies bonking bragging bluster bawling and bullshiting. What in God’s name are you talking about, Corks?

      The question is: did Trump want to make that speech..or did his aids want him to?

      Trump would have wanted to make the speech; that is pure Trump, thinking he can win over the people by talking to them directly. He’s used to that in his business and in his TV show.

      It was one of the most obvious times he’s woodenly read something off a teleprompter & although it had the usual lies and exaggerations, it was obviously scripted by his desperate aides. So clearly so, he might have actually done better to ramble off slogans to his base in the form he’s more comfortable with.

      He came across as faking it. I’d call that one of his least effective performances. As Al Jazeera’s Washington Reporter, Kimberly Halkett, said last night – those opposed to him who detest him whatever he says and does will see it negatively and those who love him whatever he says and does will see it positively – “it didn’t even move the dial”.

      That’s my opinion too.

      • Corky

         /  10th January 2019

        ”The man’s entire life has been based on bullying bankruptcies bonking bragging bluster bawling and bullshiting. What in God’s name are you talking about, Corks?”

        Yet the man is President of the US. His rivals aren’t. Like I said…whatever it takes. I think people confuse his personality with his political worth. At the moment that worth is gold in my opinion.

        ”He came across as faking it.”

        That’s why I asked if it was his aids who wanted him to make that speech. I see someone on ZB has reported Trump didn’t want to make the speech. Either way, as you say in your final paragraph, nothing changes regarding how people view Trump.

        • Gezza

           /  10th January 2019

          Yet the man is President of the US. His rivals aren’t.

          You forget what a crap alternative he was up against and how many people held their noses and voted for him, hoping he would deliver on his bragging he would improve the government. They expected stability and deal making ability like you’ve never; the things he promised

          Instead he’s thrown the US and everyone he deals with into chaos because he can’t change. I’ve explained why elsewhere. He is NOT the sort of person you want your kids to grow up and be like. That’s what’s going to be his downfall.

          A role model for Americans he is not. Maybe for Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, & the filfy witch, but middle America, or working class America? No.

          • Corky

             /  10th January 2019

            I disagree. He’s the right man for the times. It may well end in tears, but as I have said before Trumps worth will only be seen in hindsight when he leaves office.

            To be truthful, I hope he doesn’t get a second term in office. Waiting eight years to watch the circus that follows after him is too long to wait.

            By circus I mean a new president in the traditional mould. One who will crack a joke like: ” I can promise the American people, I won’t use Twitter.” ( polite laughter follows). ”I will bring back dignity to to this office.” Blah, Blah.

            That type of crap is what got Trump elected in the first place. Trump isn’t the problem..it’s the regression on all political fronts after he leaves office that will be a telling point in US history.

            • Gezza

               /  10th January 2019

              I disagree.
              I’m not entirely sure you do, actually. You maybe just don’t like what I’m saying.

              He’s the right man for the times. It may well end in tears, but as I have said before Trumps worth will only be seen in hindsight when he leaves office.
              I agree. He IS the right man for the times. He’s the product of what American society now is. He’s a reflection of the shallowness and egocentricity and power of money and false advertising & jingoism & militarism & fear & hostility & unjustified vacuous celebrity worship & popular stupefication & rampant consumerism, & lack of true morality, & general dog eat dog doings that characterise much of modern day America & Americans.

              He’s the shock treatment needed to make Americans look at themselves, and others in the world look at Americans & say, how did we wind up letting them get control of us?

            • Corky

               /  10th January 2019

              ”I disagree

              I’m not entirely sure you do, actually. You maybe just don’t like what I’m saying.”

              You can say whatever you want. I’m just debating. I always back myself regarding comments I make, whether they are proven right all wrong.

              I think where we part company is you believe Trumps incompetence (?) and outrageous behaviour will allow Americans to see he’s a product of their decrepit culture.

              I’m not interest in that. That’s a given. I’m interest in what Trump has done or tried to do as a president, and the fallout when the President who follows Trump backtracks or rescinds measures Trump had implemented.

              For example, I believe it’s a given should the new President be a Democrat, that the focus on border control, immigration and refugees will be slackened, not only to punish the Republicans, but because Democrats honestly don’t believe it’s that big of an issue.

              Of course with a new US President, China and Russia will go to work testing his or her resolve. They knew they had to tread carefully with Trump. But will the President earn their respect?

              I don’t think Americans will ever perceive how shallow their culture is. But they will perceive being a joke again on the world stage, with a faltering economy back home.

            • Gezza

               /  10th January 2019

              But they will perceive being a joke again on the world stage, with a faltering economy back home.

              Corky they already are a joke on the world stage.

              They were a disappointment and a patsy under Obama and (shudder shudder) the hobbled & utterly useless John Kerry who was routinely walked over by everybody and whose most notable achievement was probably breaking his leg while cycling in Geneva.

              While Trump has succeeded in doing something about China’s unfair trade practices and ripping off technology and intellectual property, his overreaction in slapping sanctions on everybody and bullying entire countries – making it clear that they not only have to pay for America’s help in security, they have to surrender to America First Everywhere – because he has even stated protecting America’s interests everywhere is his priority.

              America’s interests and other countries interests don’t always coincide & can conflict. His tarrifs punish everyone but those nations that cave in because of America’s dominance of the global economy. That dominance shouldn’t be allowed. It must change.

              Beyond getting NATO countries to pay what they should, their foreign policy is utterly chaotic because Trump is. Nobody can trust America to make and stick with deals. They refuse to acknowledge any justice system but their own, which is horribly flawed when they commit war crimes and not very good at punishing serious financial crims in the banking sector.

              And the chaos in their domestic politics is utterly mind-blowing.

              The long-term benefits or otherwise of Trump’s four years are yet to be seen to be permanent. If they are, any replacement for Trump will probably be able to cherry pick the policies that are and continue them, and implement more that have appeal to other voting segments.

              Whether that is another Republican candidate or whether the Democrats find someone to rally around. The Dems have shown, like our opposition parties, they have no qualms at all about doing a 180 degree turn on anything once in power if it could kill their chances of re-election. Just re-label it

              I think he’ll do one term and that’ll be as much as most voters can stand of his circus & tantrums & endless lies.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  10th January 2019

              Don’t waste your time with someone who doesn’t know the difference between aids and aides.

          • Corky

             /  10th January 2019

            Yeah, but he has. That shows what a waste of space you are.

            • Gezza

               /  10th January 2019

              Is that a reply to me Corks?

              Can you just confirm, if so.

              I’ll need to work out how much aggression to put into the reply.

            • Gezza

               /  10th January 2019

              It’s come up with the little orange dot on the bell indicator on WordPress as a reply to my comment above. I’m just checking in case it’s meant as an attack on another great ape than me.

            • Corky

               /  10th January 2019

              No, posted it in the wrong space, it was for Kitty.

              ”I’ll need to work out how much aggression to put into the reply.”👍

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  10th January 2019

              He agreed that you were wasting your time on someone who doesn’t know the difference between aids and aides, confirming my opinion. It was followed by an automatic childish insult, of course.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  10th January 2019

    This year was always going to be a shitfight in Washington. Americans are getting what they voted for.

    • Gezza

       /  10th January 2019

      That’s the beauty of the American Constitution, Sir Alan.

      Cheques & balances. o_O

      Mostly bank balances.

  5. David

     /  10th January 2019

    The bias is laid bare, if anyone saw Chuck and Nancy,s reply there are much richer pickings. Nancy is now in charge, she has the gavel and nothing in America will now get done without it coming out of her house but I have yet to hear a journalist hold her feet to the fire and ask her how she proposes to secure the southern border.
    All very well opposing Trump but there is a big issue down there and one could be left with the impression that the Democrats want to keep this issue going despite the misery it causes.

    • Gezza

       /  10th January 2019

      The way the US system of government is operating under Trump she doesn’t have to have a plan. She only has to keep frustrating Trump. His twitter circus and antics on the domestic & international stages are making him and the Republicans a laughing stock. Trump himself is the continuing author of his own demise. The US is not his business nor The Apprentice. He is so used to bragging and bullying and bullshitting to get what he wants he cannot change.

      • David

         /  10th January 2019

        With all due respect Gezza the president doesn’t legislate Congress does then its approved or amended in the Senate then signed into law by the president.
        Congress is the legislative branch Namcy has the gavel.

        • Gezza

           /  10th January 2019

          With the respect returned, in my opinion, modern American politics is simply a reflection of the ongoing history of American society and the growth and development of the American Empire, David.

          I’ve had a lifelong interest in world history (which started out as a boyhood fascination with Greek and Roman soldiers). I enjoyed reading histories of cultures and empires and the development of nation states, and science fiction.

          When I look at America from a curious, dispassionate lens of history I see the usual pattern of an Empire arising and beginning to decline as it becomes debauched by those with the power and money to control & manipulate its citizens & its government.

    • Duker

       /  10th January 2019

      ” secure the southern border.”
      Nonsense , most illegal immigrants come via the airports and overstay their visas.

      Anyway with the Republicans in total control last 2 years, they never got funding either for Trumps wall – and no the filibuster didnt stop them as a technical manouever called reconciliation could be used , like it was for some other legislation.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  10th January 2019

    Trump struggled
    [Deleted – crude photoshopped images of politicians (or anyone) are not appropriate here, as you should know. PG]

  7. lurcher1948

     /  10th January 2019

    We all seem to have problems with moderation
    Pete George
    [removed by DPF]

    [deleted by DPF]

    Trying to claim they were jokes when called on lying is a woeful and weasely attempt to make excuses. It was a very deliberate personal attack. And I see you are flailing around at others here too. Dirty stuff.
    You seem to have really jumped the shark on this.

    The sheriff is in town

    • No, that was moderation in action. I didn’t make it clear though.

      Nostradamus made false claims, not just about me but about someone completely unrelated to his campaign against me (and not on Kiwiblog), and kept whining when his lies were moderated out. He tried to excuse it as ‘humour’ but it was obviously intended to humour the hit mob at Kiwiblog and encourage them to join his petty crusade against me challenging Kiwiblogs culture of abuse (that he is trying to protect)..

      • lurcher1948

         /  10th January 2019

        He dosnt seem a nice person,no sense of humor or let live and let live like me,lurcher1948

        Nostradamus
        Pete George:

        Accusing me of lying, when it’s a lie yourself, does you no credit. Would you like me to reinstate the text so others can see how “blog guardian” was clearly a joke? Just say the word, and I’ll show everyone how you’re so lacking in humour that you resemble a shrivelled prune!

        Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1 REPORTJANUARY 10, 2019 8:07AM
        PG i dont think you should post at Farrars cesspool for a week or two as Nostradamus seems a bit fired up

  8. Zedd

     /  10th January 2019

    Move over MrT.. Nancy & Chuck (Dems) are coming through.

    The longer he keeps the Govt. shutdown going.. the more he will find his remaining support drying up. Democracy does NOT equal ‘His way or the highway’.. thats a: Fascist dictatorship

    • Patzcuaro

       /  10th January 2019

      • Zedd

         /  10th January 2019

        take your blinkers off.. MrT, its not a Horse race !!

        • Duker

           /  10th January 2019

          Continuing Resolutions just allow funding based on the previous financial year to continue . Last years budget didnt have wall funding, nor should a CR to keep the government open.

          The US Federal financial year started in Oct, the budget – or virtually all of it should have been passed 6 months back- what have the Republicans been doing with their time in office.
          This shit fight is just over a CR Trump welshed on and didnt sign after being passed by both ( Republican ) chambers just before Xmas.

          With the Dems in control of one side, now the Senate wont even consider CR passed passed on last years budget

        • Corky

           /  10th January 2019

          Quite true, Zedd..it’s only national security.

          • Gezza

             /  10th January 2019

            That’s not the point. The Democrats are being intransigent as part of a simple strategy. What they are showing the US is that Trump is prepared to impoverish other people to get his way. Because he doesn’t HAVE to do this. He can accept defeat and negotiate his way to some compromise. The Dems have said they are not opposed to improving border security, but they are still committed to the dreamers – ie to providing a legal pathway for illegals to gain legal residence.

            That works for their voting base and when you are talking about thousands of people who have lived and worked and paid taxes in the US, that seems fair to most people.

            You win some, you lose some is what most people understand & experience on a daily basis.

            Trump doesn’t. He has to win – at any price – and everybody around him are just things that he uses to either help or hinder him. That’s what a narcissist does.

            They are calculating the blame and odium for cutting government services and disrupting people’s incomes and jobs with all the attendant flow on effects that will have on their financial commitments and the stress it will cause them and the economy will go onto Trump and his overblown ego.

            The longer it goes on, the more likely they’ll probably be right, I think, anyway.

            Meantime, in the Middle East, there’s been another key official working on a Trump strategy to try and resolve the crisis in the GCC and build a coalition of Arabs against Iran – a kind of Arab NATO – who’s just resigned because the Saudis and the UAE and Bahrain and other vassal flunky countries involved are proving utterly intransigent and the murder of Khasoggi has made it impossible for Saudi Arabia to be the leader of any such force.

          • Zedd

             /  10th January 2019

            ‘Quite true, Zedd..it’s only national security.’ sez corky

            Mr T would have us all believe, that IF they build the ‘D Trump memorial wall’ of terror & drug traffic prevention.. ALL the other troubles his country/the world are currently facing,will be magically CURED !?

            SO.. remind me.. again; who is the bigger FOOL: him/her or the one who follows the fool.. ?? 😀 😀 :/

    • The Consultant

       /  10th January 2019

      Move over MrT.. Nancy & Chuck (Dems) are coming through.

    • The Consultant

       /  10th January 2019

      Man, this stuff writes itself…

    • The Consultant

       /  10th January 2019
    • The Consultant

       /  10th January 2019

      And you just had to know this one was coming….

  9. Joe Bloggs

     /  10th January 2019

    Brutally fact-checked by Fox News? That’s brutal.

    Fox News has spent the past three years elevating any silly lie Trump wants to tell. But when it comes to the border wall Fox isn’t playing. Interesting.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  10th January 2019

      Fox out does Soviet era Pravda and Izvestia combining no truth and no news into one channel.

      “As the names of the main Communist newspaper and the main Soviet newspaper, Pravda and Izvestia, meant “the truth” and “the news” respectively, a popular saying was “there’s no truth in Pravda and no news in Izvestia”.”

  10. The Consultant

     /  10th January 2019

    Fact Checking? Did someone say….Fact Checking:

    CBS reported, “Fact check: Number of women sexually assaulted on trip to border.

    “CLAIM: The president claimed one in three women have been sexually assaulted traveling to the border.

    “FACT CHECK: Between 60 percent and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates.”

    Doh!!!!!

    Still, CBS is not entirely stupid because they later removed this from the “Fact Check” because….

  11. The Consultant

     /  10th January 2019

    I think most rational, reasonable. thinking people of good will would agree with at least some of the things that Trump said…

    “Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.”

    True. One million legal immigrants per year should be good enough – and frankly I’d be pissed off if I saw someone just jump the queue and demand their “rights”.

    “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked”

    Common sense.

  12. Zedd

     /  10th January 2019

    https://www.democracynow.org/

    News/comments on MrTs ‘speech’; nothing new & disputed by many ‘FACT checkers’

    “Welcome to Fantasy Island !!”

  13. David

     /  10th January 2019

    The argument that because people who come in legally overstay their visa,s therefore we shouldnt protect the southern border is ridiculous, you enforce the law in every way you can. A copper doesnt say well we wont stop this fella from carrying a stabbing knife because some people are carrying illegal guns.
    Unless you stop anyone having a vacation or travelling to the US for business you are always going to have an overstayer problem, they still get turfed out and banned from re entry.

    • Gezza

       /  10th January 2019

      I’m with Trump on his wall. He just needs to learn how to make deals where he isn’t in control.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  10th January 2019

        He isn’t paying for it or wondering how long he can survive without being paid as his workers are. Zookeepers and air traffic workers aren’t going to let the animals starve and airports close, and he’s meanly taking advantage of them,

  14. Joe Bloggs

     /  10th January 2019

    speaking of Faux News, bazinga!

    Fox News host Shep Smith and judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano agree that trump’s campaign appears to have colluded with Russia:

    From 3 minutes 15 seconds in the link below…

    Napolitano – This shows that Bob Mueller can demonstrate to a court without the testimony of Paul Manafort that the campaign had a connection to Russian intelligence and the connection involved information going from the campaign to the Russians. The question is, was this in return for a promise of something from the Russians, and did the candidate, now the president, know about it?”

    […]

    Smith – Collusion isn’t a crime, but this would be considered collusion?

    N – The crime is the conspiracy, the agreement. Collusion is a nonlegal term.

    S – I know, but if there’s collision, giving stuff to the Russians about polling data [would count].

    N – Yeah, that would probably fit into the category

    […]

    N – This event, which has been outlined in these court papers, occurred during the campaign.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/shep-smith-and-andrew-napolitano-agree-the-trump-campaign-colluded-with-russia/

    who’da thought it. Fox News! Of all the ranty-righty tabloid-journo banners… ROFLMAO

  15. Joe Bloggs

     /  10th January 2019

    trump’s running scared – the White House has just taken on 17 new lawyers

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-beefed-up-white-house-legal-team-prepares-aggressive-defense-of-trumps-executive-privilege-as-investigations-loom-large/2019/01/09/066b8618-1045-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html

    In other words, the White House is terrified that the final Mueller report will be filled with damning revelations.

    • Corky

       /  10th January 2019

      Better safe than sorry, Joe!

    • Pink David

       /  10th January 2019

      Don’t you think it’s a good idea to get a few lawyers when a bunch of Democrats are hell bent on impeachment regardless of any actual charges?

      • Gezza

         /  10th January 2019

        Why would he need lawyers when he probably “knows more about impeachment than anybody”?

  16. Gezza

     /  10th January 2019

    Hat Tip – The Standard

  17. The Consultant

     /  11th January 2019

    This will be the first to frighten a calm public.

    “Don’t know much about history.
    Don’t know much about biology.
    ….”

    • Gezza

       /  11th January 2019

      Shit – are you saying these people in the caravans have brought feckin nuclear-tipped missiles with them ? 😮

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