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11 January 2019

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  1. PartisanZ

     /  January 11, 2019

    From the same self-published book by Hans Jurgen-Geese, ‘I984: The Year New Zealanders Became Slaves’ … these extraordinary quotes from the late Tony Judt, the second of which apparently concludes his book “Ill Fares the Land”, published posthumously in 2010 …

    “Behind every cynical (or merely incompetent) banking executive and trader sits an economist, assuring them (and us) that their actions are publicly useful and should in any case not be subject to collective oversight”

    And, remarkably, “If the purpose of life as lived by everyone you see is to succeed in business, then this will become the default goal of all but the most independent young person. As we know from Tolstoy, ‘there are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him’

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/apr/11/ill-fares-land-tony-judt

    • Corky

       /  January 11, 2019

      A trifle cynical and presumptuous, Parti? I’m talking about paragraph two. I’m reading it literally.

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 11, 2019

      Further – “The problem about all this (neoliberalism) identified by the greatest if also the most elusive of modern Conservative philosophers, Michael Oakeshott, was that “a plan to resist all planning may be better than its opposite, but it belongs to the same style of politics”.

      In any event, according to Judt, since the 1980s, from Reagan to Bush, from Thatcher to Brown, it has been downhill all the way, with growing inequity, a declining belief in the role of the state and a falling away from civic engagement. “As recently as the 1970s, the idea that the point of life was to get rich and that governments existed to facilitate this would have been ridiculed: not only by capitalism’s traditional critics but also by many of its staunchest defenders.”

      Frank Warner was saying similar things in 1944, as others have no doubt done before –

      “To secure the utmost from (personal and material resources) requires planning … Our present-day economy combines a maximum of planning in detail, in every factory unit, with the maximum of planlessness in the wider sense.

      Economics ought to be the most rational of all human activities, but present-day economy is only rational in its very lowest grades … and the world economy, if such an expression is applicable at all, breaks down owing to the sheerly irrational, to the myth of State sovereignty, to nationalism, to lust of power and dictatorial ambitions, or the placing of entire groups in a position of predominance or inferiority, as the case may be.

      The basic deficiency of present-day economics … is the degradation of human labour to the status of a commodity. There may be many methods of remedying this evil, but the final and decisive solution can only be one, the separation of labour and wage”

    • High Flying Duck

       /  January 11, 2019

      Anyone who’s life goal is “to succeed in business” is a sad sad individual and almost certainly bound for failure.
      Businesses that succeed (and therefore make their owners successful) are almost all governed by a higher calling. To make a difference, to serve, to meet unmet needs and demands; to make lives easier.
      People who simply want to “succeed in business” generally fall over as they have their priorities backwards. Success (in any endeavour, business or otherwise) is the result of reaching your goals, not a goal in of itself.

      Personally I prefer Scott Adams theory that goals are for losers, and systems are a more effective way to lead a happy life.

      His book is also a good read:

      A good article on this here:

      http://siimland.com/goals-vs-systems/

      https://blog.dilbert.com/2013/11/18/goals-vs-systems/

  2. Corky

     /  January 11, 2019

    Saints of Linux Preserve Us! Doesn’t look like that will help at all should the CIA takes an interest in you. Hell, they even have viruses that can jump an air gap. And as for owning a Samsung Smart TV….don’t!

    https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#FAQ

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/15/is-the-vault-7-source-a-whistleblower/

    • Duker

       /  January 11, 2019

      “they even have viruses that can jump an air gap”

      Really . How does ‘code’ do that. So if my phone is sitting on the table ant night next to the computer ( which has the broadband connection powered off) , they can get code to ‘jump’ from phone to computer?
      Call the hackers , we have a right one here , ripe for plucking

      • Corky

         /  January 11, 2019

        Dude, you tell me! I think you need to research what an air gap in computing means. And why secure facilities use this method..which of course is to have part of their computer network not connected to the internet.

        Meanwhile, I will get on to Wiki Leaks and my CIA contacts to find out what the hell they are talking about. Stay tuned, dude. Encrypt all future comments.😁👍

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 11, 2019

          It’s malware and is only used by very sophisticated hackers. There is so little chance of any ordinary person being affected that it’s pointless to worry.

          • Corky

             /  January 11, 2019

            ”It’s malware and is only used by very sophisticated hackers. ”

            They used the term viruses in relation to the air gap hack if that’s what you are referring to.

            ”There is so little chance of any ordinary person being affected that it’s pointless to worry.”

            I think a better way to put it (?) is there’s little chance of an ordinary person being individually targeted.

            According to these leaks these malware infect million of users and networks.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 11, 2019

              I am aware that malware affects millions of computers, thank you, ergo, I have malware protection after I was hit by it once.

              Stop showing off. Everyone else can look up the details if they are interested, and it is quite true that THIS PARTICULAR FORM OF HACKING is done by sophisticated hackers who won’t be interested in ordinary users. This is NOT usual malware of the nuisance kind that affects millions of ordinary users. It is at a much higher level and, from the sound of it, will be targeted.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 11, 2019

              Business Insider said that this is not like the usual kind of malware; it is very sophisticated and will be aimed at specific networks. The likelihood of casual users being infected is extremely slight.

            • Corky

               /  January 11, 2019

              I wasn’t showing off. I found it unusual they used the word ‘viruses.’

              ”I am aware that malware affects millions of computers, thank you.”

              ”This is NOT usual malware of the nuisance kind that affects millions of ordinary users.”

              My point being this malware monitors/ hacks networks and mainframes used by millions of users. Their data is probably bulk collected and only scrutinised should the individual become a target. Hence my comment:

              ”I think a better way to put it (?) is there’s little chance of an ordinary person being individually targeted.”

  3. Corky

     /  January 11, 2019

    Wim Hof is a dude who is causing a bit of a stir. He is showing people the huge untapped resources the human body has. I wrote a little about this when commenting on the Russian special forces and how they have taken a different tack to our ever more technically reliant special forces.

    Wim uses a variation of the Tibetan art of Tummo.

    The skeptics are having a problem with this dude…but have put his abilities down to the brown fat content of his body. Case solved. Let’s move on. I’m being a little facetious.
    This is a fair skeptical piece on Wim Hof.

    http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2016/01/wim-hof-method/

    • phantom snowflake

       /  January 11, 2019

      In my view Wim Hof’s achievements raise some very important questions concerning the limits of human capabilities. Vice TV made a very watchable (40 minute) documentary about Wim Hof:

      Wim Hof first caught the attention of scientists when he proved he was able to use meditation to stay submerged in ice for 1 hour and 53 minutes without his core body temperature changing. Since then, he’s climbed Mount Everest in his shorts, resisted altitude sickness, completed a marathon in the Namib Desert with no water and proven under a laboratory setting that he’s able to influence his autonomic nervous system and immune system at will. Almost everything Wim has done was previously thought to be impossible – but he’s not a freak of nature. To demonstrate that any human can learn his methods, Wim offered to teach Matt Shea and Daisy-May Hudson to climb a freezing cold mountain in their shorts without getting cold. But when Matt and Daisy signed up for the training, they had no idea that the so-called Iceman was planning to lead them on a psychedelic journey across Europe that circled the chasm between science, spirituality and mystery.

      “Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they’re yours…” (Richard Bach)

  4. High Flying Duck

     /  January 11, 2019

    This made me think of Griff for soime reason…

  5. High Flying Duck

     /  January 11, 2019

    Another good one…climate scientist retires – and then comes out as a skeptic.
    It is a well reasoned article, but the scary point is that anyone who comes up with results that don’t match the current orthodoxy on CC is labelled a denier.

    “In the current state of affairs regarding global warming, opinion is divided into two major factions. A large portion of climate scientists argues that most, if not all, of the recent warming is due to anthropogenic effects, which originate largely from carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels. Another portion is on the other extreme: Those who argue that humans have nothing to do with global warming and that all this fuss is a conspiracy to bring the industrial world down.

    The latter group calls the former group “the catastrophists” or “the alarmists,” whereas the former group calls the latter group “the deniers.” This childish division is complemented by another group, the “skeptics,” which includes those like me who question the extreme beliefs and try to look at all scientific evidence before we form an opinion (by the way, the former group also considers skeptics to be deniers).

    In the realm of deniers, skeptics and believers, science has been compromised. I usually don’t bother with pseudo-scientists, media and ignorant people abusing the freedom of the Internet by writing and posting nonsense comments. But I have grown wary of what is going on with the debate on the overblown and misdirected issue of global warming — a case in point being “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd saying he will no longer give time to global warming “deniers” and also that the “science is settled.”

    The fact that scientists who show results not aligned with the mainstream are labeled deniers is the backward mentality. We don’t live in the medieval times, when Galileo had to admit to something that he knew was wrong to save his life. Science is all about proving, not believing. In that regard, I am a skeptic not just about global warming but also about many other aspects of science.

    All scientists should be skeptics. Climate is too complicated to attribute its variability to one cause. We first need to understand the natural climate variability (which we clearly don’t; I can debate anybody on this issue). Only then we can assess the magnitude and reasons of climate change. Science would have never advanced if it were not for the skeptics. All model projections made for the 21st century failed to predict the slowdown of the planet’s warming despite the fact that carbon dioxide emissions kept on increasing. Science is never settled. If science were settled, then we should pack things up and go home.”

    Anastasios Tsonis is emeritus distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. He is the author of more than 130 peer reviewed papers and nine books.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/2/the-overblown-and-misleading-issue-of-global-warmi/

    • Griff.

       /  January 11, 2019

      All model projections made for the 21st century failed to predict the slowdown of the planet’s warming despite the fact that carbon dioxide emissions kept on increasing
      …..
      We first need to understand the natural climate variability (which we clearly don’t; I can debate anybody on this issue).

      ROFL
      nope not even
      Here it is in pretty pictures even a duck would get.




      Of course if we look at the data today not for 2015 its well over the trend.
      There was never a statically significant change in the warming trend just noise aka natural climate variability.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 11, 2019

        What is the cause of this natural climate variability and why is it unpredictable?

        • Griff.

           /  January 11, 2019

          jesus h Alan
          You have been commenting on climate change for decades and you dont know the biggest factors in natural variability?
          Do you have a learning disability?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 11, 2019

            Doesn’t seem to account for much prior to 1960. And why is El Nino/La Nina unpredictable?

            • Griff.

               /  January 12, 2019

              Weather is mate .
              You know butterfly’s and all that .
              Again years of commenting and you have learned absolutely nothing.
              I guess if you go to a god addled whacko for information you would end up like you.

  6. Blazer

     /  January 11, 2019

    ‘who comes up with results that don’t match the current orthodoxy on ? is labelled a denier.’

    been a handy label for a while now…’Holocaust’…comes to mind.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  January 11, 2019

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2019

        This young lady is utilising a heavily overblown extrapolation of the approach which children employ that usually begins “I didn’t ask to be born. You had me. So you owe me…”

        I remember embarking on this approach with both my parents one afternoon as a young teenager in order to secure something or other that I felt was deserved, by virtue of my very existence being their responsibility, but it was spectacularly unsuccessful and one of the solutions involved my finding another place of abode & means of maintenance if I was unhappy there. I wasn’t THAT unhappy. Fortunately for me.

  7. Corky

     /  January 11, 2019

    Here’s one for ‘my cuz’ to get hoha about. Darn colonials at it again. Did these white fullahs consult with brown fullahs before vandalising this tikanaga.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/109788886/fonterras-kapiti-cheese-name-tuteremoana-insulting-to-decedents-of-great-chief-advisor-says

    • Gezza

       /  January 11, 2019

      You ain’t no cuz of me sis Possers, bro. You done bin told dat ovah n ovah.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2019

        So doan you keep cummin’ at her wid dat monkey jive. 🚫 🐒 🚫

      • Corky

         /  January 11, 2019

        Eyisa already tolled her dats. I a seds it a genrl greetin. She a funNy Mardee..she take a fence. OnlY one out of 500.000.

    • Gezza

       /  January 11, 2019

      This featured as an item on 1ewes at 6 last night, brother Corks.

      The video clip in the link is the one which made up the item. Mr Tuakapua made his case with a cogent and respectful explanation. After watching and hearing him, I’m on his side. There’s no hate or animosity in that. There’s a plea to ask before you do this sort of thing because ancestry and names mean something personal to familes.

      Also, if you are arguing anybody should be able to make money from someone else’s name – try marketing something as “Trump” – whatever. See what happens.

      • PartisanZ

         /  January 11, 2019

        Or take your family name Corky … whatever it is … and put it on a brand of toilet paper …

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2019

          I feel so sorry for the Purex and Softex families. How dreadful for them. I can only assume one of the sons said “sue me then” and they just didn’t want to split the families because one family member put their name in the toilet.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 11, 2019

            Karl Du Fresne and his patriotic ‘Kiwi’ comrades would be proud of you for that piece of verbal slight-of-brain Gezza …

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Possibly but I wouldn’t give a fuck because I’d have no idea why or what you’re going on about. Are you going ape at me over something because it feels like you’ve raised your hackles and snarled & I need to work out whether I need to go on the attack.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 11, 2019

              Your comment demeans mine like Du Fresne demeans “activists” Gezza … but I tried to couch it with a little aplomb … Nothing ape about it.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              It’s pure ape. That was an aggressive verbal swing at me for some perceived intrusion into your mental territory. I know it, even if you don’t.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 11, 2019

              And yours was passive-aggressive …

              I’m sure I’ve heard John Ansell, Don Brash, Bob Jones and numerous other Right Brigadiers say that, “I know it, even if you don’t”

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Ah, no – I see what happened more clearly now Parti. For me that was just a joke, a little bit of ironical humour, because many Pakeha don’t attach a lot of significance to their family names when it comes to marketing products of all sorts.

              But because it was a reply to you, and because you are mostly being sarcastic when you utilise irony, and you project your worldview onto others often and interpret their comments in the way you would use them, you thought you were being attacked.

              So you attacked.

              You weren’t being attacked. And you only got attacked back when you attacked me. So you can relax and let the adrenaline drain away. Mine has. I don’t need a lot of adrenaline and keep my aggression under better control because I know when it’s coming out and what for.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 11, 2019

              Excellent justification there Gezza … or some would say ‘White … Wash’

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              They might if they thought I was I was bothered by it but I’m not. Your attacks are insignificant to me. And I’m not interested in trying to dominate you. I’ve worked out this is silly and walked away to get on with things.

        • Corky

           /  January 11, 2019

          That’s a very offensive suggestion, Parti. People wiping their behinds with Corky Rothschild toilet paper. What would the European cuzzies think.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 11, 2019

            You think you could get your bum wipes into Europe Corky … ?

            • Corky

               /  January 11, 2019

              Do you think you could ever accept capitalism gave you the lifestyle you are accustomed to, Parti?

              No much chance of my bum wipes making it into Europe is there.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              One would hope not ! Shudder to think of what Customs would make of those.

              I need a moment alone. My mind is now boggling and I need to focus on a candle flame for a few minutes to stop it. :/

      • Corky

         /  January 11, 2019

        As a matter of fact, I don’t disagree with you, Gezza. I just tire of the way some Maori go about getting publicity.

        Talking of similar..have to feel sorry for that poor Pakeha who got an honour for services to craving. That upset the bros.

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2019

          I know you mean the Pakeha guy who got a New Year’s honour for services to Maori Carving. I watched that item and his rather angry defence that he deserved it because his work is entirely inspired by Maori carving styles and looks indistinguishable from traditional Maori carving. The traditional Maori carver featured was complaining that the could have gone to any one of numerous traditional Maori carvers.

          One of Possum’s sons produced the most stunning piece of Maori carving I’ve ever seen. It’s not exactly traditional but it’s a freaking wonder. It’s massive. You can walk inside it. That one alone should win awards. I’m with the Maori carver, I’m afraid, my bro. Super insensitive award, that honour.

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 11, 2019

          Got a link or some evidence that it “upset the bros”?

          • Gezza

             /  January 11, 2019

            I have. Would you like to see it?

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 11, 2019

              Wrote my comment before I saw yours Gezza …

              Thanks for doing your ‘bro’ Corky’s job for him …

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              You’re still on the attack. Your rage is blinding you into misperceiving that I am agreeing with Corky because he enrages you too. I am not agreeing with Corky. I am offering you something to see whether you will bite my hand and are still dangerous to approach.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 11, 2019

              I can see perfectly clearly you are not agreeing with Corky …

              All I said was that you provided the link or substantiation for his unsubstantiated claim …

              I did so in a ‘joking’ sort of way using your own term of endearment towards him … “bro” …

              Can’t you take a joke?

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Oh. Fair enuf. There has been a communication problem. I am calling Corks bro because he claims he’s got some Maori in him and Maori down here often call me bro. And I called him brother Corks as well because he’s got some Pakeha in him too, I believe he has indicated. Just covering all bases because at the moment he’s not attacking me, so I’m just keeping him placid and working on his frontal cortex instead of his amygdyla.

        • Corky

           /  January 11, 2019

          No..but it was on One News. Search that site.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 11, 2019

            I’m going along with Griff on this today … Do not engage …

            Don’t give IT oxygen.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Here’s the link anyway Parti. You are no threat to me and I don’t mind sharing it with you as a peace offering. There are two ways at looking at what this issue is about and I can see and identify emotionally with both. If I were asked to be the deciding vote, I would find and give this honour to a traditional Maori or even a contemporary Maori carver instead of this Pakeha chap. As the young Maori says, there are many. And they are authentic. And those are the carvers whose work I most like to see and admire and seek to understand the history and meaning of.

              But there would be some risks in such a decision as their work may be iwi-specific & cause competitive anger. Ideally I’d look for someone whose work was pan-iwi.

              https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/internationally-recognised-bone-carvers-new-year-honours-award-causing-controversy-due-his-race.html?auto=5986997147001&variant=tb_v_1

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 11, 2019

              What if someone with that name was the one who named the cheese?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 11, 2019

              Is the cheese name insulting to descendants who are still alive or decedents who are, by definition, dead ?

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 11, 2019

              I understand the dilemma Gezza …

              I once wrote a screenplay idea and treatment based around the reporter Croumbie-Brown from the Lyttleton Times, from whom we know most of what we ‘independently’ know about the invasion of Parihaka. He was on the inside by permission of Te Whiti and Tohu.

              The story, which follows the journey of John Bryce from Wellington to Taranaki to instigate the invasion, interwove several historical events with flashbacks to the massacre of Maori children at Handley’s Woolshed in 1868 where Bryce led the charge … and included a Maori survivor of that massacre horribly disfigured by sabre cuts …

              I was told by some Maori activist friends – more than one of them Pakeha – to “stay away from it” because I was incapable of writing authentic Maori characters …

              If this was the case I guess we wouldn’t have, among other works, Maurice Shadbolt’s amazing ‘New Zealand Wars Trilogy’ …

              It’s a tough one …

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              What I especially didn’t like was Owen saying “When I stared carving in 1968, Rangi was two years old”.

              Dismissing his viewpoint because he’s younger was a pointless slap that didn’t address with the issue. But even though Yvonne Tahana is a young Maori reporter, this is 1ewes. We have no idea how much rational dialogue has been stripped out of those interviews to promote controversy & clicks by simply stoking up the Corkys.

              Maori carvers should get awards for services to Maori carving, because significant Maori carvings have cultural history and meaning. Owen Mapps seem to just have Maori style designs.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              I was told by some Maori activist friends – more than one of them Pakeha – to “stay away from it” because I was incapable of writing authentic Maori characters …

              Some of the best screenplays by Western European writers that have received acclaim & approbation by first peoples have done so because they have gone and engaged with and even spent time living with the indigenous people whose characters they have written in to their scripts and obtained their approval before proceeding to make and release their movies.

              That requires relinquishing some individual control over one’s authorship to others perhaps. Necessary I guess when the drama is about or incorporates historical events presented as what can only be a Westerner’s view of an indigenous perspective?

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Kitty Catkin / January 11, 2019
              What if someone with that name was the one who named the cheese?
              . . . . . . . . .
              Kitty Catkin / January 11, 2019
              Is the cheese name insulting to descendants who are still alive or decedents who are, by definition, dead ?

              . . . . . . . .
              Questions probably best directed to the whanau or iwi for answers.

              Parti’s question to Corky is relevant I think. How would you feel about Catkin Fur Coats, Catkin Meat Pies, or Catkin Automatic Assault Rifles, if your surname really was Catkin, and you were asked before the name was used?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 11, 2019

              As I am not the only person with my name; I’d have to know if they were naming the things after me. One of the world’s largest airports has my maiden name, but it wasn’t named after anyone in my family. I see subdivisions with my mother’s maiden name, which is also used on items of upmarket furniture. For some reason ________ seems to be seen as upmarket !

              If the things were called Kitty Catkin, that would be very different. But just Catkin…it would be impossible to prove and I wouldn’t bother.

              There’s a limit to how far these things can go.

              If I was Possum, I would be asking for those insulting and offensive posts to be moderated. The pidgin English is very racist and unfunny.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Possum and I have met and are friends Kitty. We keep in touch from time to time & share family news n stuff. She knows I would never knowingly insult her & what dat little bit of rappy jive talk is about.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  January 11, 2019

        @G. 🤔

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2019

          Righto c. Here’s how it is.

          1. Got a spike of OOS in me right index finger having to scroll so far up to see what that was in reply to.
          2, Not spending any time working out what that’s supposed to indicate. Not a mind reader.
          3. Off down to ma’s for me dinner now. Back later. But me sister & Maori bro-in-law are arriving this evening so we can go see the Terracotta Warriors tomorrow – have to vacuum their room still, so not sure how much time I can devote to sorting fuckers out here afterwards.
          4, All the best. 😎

          • Conspiratoor

             /  January 11, 2019

            Fully understand G. I had an observation i was quite keen to share. Thought you being the observant fellow you are you would have twigged. But it can wait. llegitimi non carborundum

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Righto. Back home now c. Quick check to see if any clear messages.
              Is this observation in any way related to the phrase “brother Corks”? 😐

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 11, 2019

              Well spotted G! Yes if you recall this homily offended his sensitivities whereupon he bleated loudly to pg. So I hope you forgive the quiet chuckle 😊

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              I was watching Al Jazeera when they were broadcasting a brief press conference given by the Honourable President Hassan Rouhani & the Honourable President Recep Tayyib Erdogan when His Excellency President Rouhani flew immediately to Ankara for an imprompty summit meeting the day the Honourable Donald Trump announced he was pulling US troops out of Syria forthwith, or with forth, or by the fourth – or whatever.

              President Erdogan addressed the assembled press and acolytes after President Rouhani and referred to him as “our brother”.

              It’s just a universal polite pleasantry, reflecting the brotherhood of man or siblinghood of persons, if we want to use non-sexist language.

              Down here, “bro” is often used synonymously and interchangeably with “mate’ in a polite and friendly manner. Such as when I held the door open for a road worker coming out of the Pink Pineapple wiv me steak & mushroom pie and salad sarnie. “Cheers bro” he said, with a smile.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Yes if you recall this homily offended his sensitivities whereupon he bleated loudly to pg

              I don’t recall this complex reaction to your remark. However I prefer not to draw PG’s attention to myself too much because, as you know, I sail somewhat close to the wind sometimes negotiating tricky paths between posters’ amygdylae and frontal cortexes, in my interactions.

              Possibly there was a misunderstanding. These happen sometimes.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 11, 2019

              Yes G, a pleasantry to one is an insult to another. Unfortunately we live in the age of the easily offended. As an old zen monk once told me ‘offence can never be given, only taken’

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Possibly.

              Btw, Wikipedia somewhat hesitantly, informs me:
              “Illegitimi non carborundum is a mock-Latin aphorism possibly read as “Don’t let the bastards grind you down”.”

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 11, 2019

              G, in my view you dont sail close. You are generally on a broad reach, occasionally running before a force 4. While lurcher on the hand is close hauled, his sheets trimmed in as hard as the winch will handle before it blows

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              Lurch’s compass may need replacing. He has run into the Rock of Moderation more than a few times.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 11, 2019

              If you get a mo google the effects of long term exposure to printers ink

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2019

              I don’t dare. Horrified enough when I googled effects of long term exposure to blogs. 😮

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 11, 2019

              I think your comment is true of political blogs G. The blog I spend most time on is a truly uplifting and inspiring experience. I furthermore believe excessive time spent staring at a computer screen is a leading contributor to mental illness. I’ll see if I can find the link

  8. PartisanZ

     /  January 11, 2019

    ‘Comment: This simple economic idea could save the global economy – but will anyone listen?’ – NZHeraldo

    “A top economist has raised serious question marks about whether austerity works.” – Jared Bernstein, Washington Post.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12188595

    “Finally, one of my greatest hopes for this paper is that Blanchard’s straightforward analysis, in tandem with his stature, puts a knife through the heart of austerity economics, the heedless, reckless, premature removal of fiscal support from weak economies for no good reason.

    If that occurs, we will be witnessing something all too rare in economics: a bit of sensible analysis that led to a change in policy that prevents a lot of people from being made worse off. Sounds simple, but replacing bad, ill-founded ideas with good, analytically sound ones is way harder than it should be, and it’s not getting any easier.”

    • High Flying Duck

       /  January 11, 2019

      Basically the doctrine the Key / English government followed so successfully for 9 years. Great to see your endorsement Parti!

      • Blazer

         /  January 11, 2019

        laughable=’sound financial managers’=borrow 10’s of billions of ‘printed’ $ from Wall St.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  January 11, 2019

          Ran sensible deficits when needed, retaining social spending and returned to surplus in the last 2 years with continued surpluses built in that Grant Robertson is now trading off as ‘proof’ he knows what he is doing.

          • Blazer

             /  January 11, 2019

            I’m in favour of deficits,but not to fund tax cuts for the wealthy.
            They have enough trusts,blind,mirror..etc and enough tax havens to hide their loot …anyway.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  January 11, 2019

              The deficits were to rebuild infrastructure and to cover social spending that was retained while other countries imposed austerity.
              Where other countries printed money or used inefficient stimulus to try to prime their economies, the Nats brought in tax cuts, which were a crucial component of keeping the economy moving and encouraging growth.
              The results speak for themselves, with employment and wage growth both significantly above most other countries.

            • Blazer

               /  January 11, 2019

              ‘Where other countries printed money ‘….the U.S -Q.E program to bailout busted arse charlatans ,so they could lend to the likes of NZ to keep the ponzi going FFS.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  January 11, 2019

              Perhaps the facts will ease your angst somewhat:

              Our net O/S debt grew strongly – under Clark / Cullen’s Labour – but stabilised and fell under National.

              “On a net basis – our Net International Investment Position, Net IIP – we have a liability now of $156.1 bln to the rest of the world. This net position has been pretty stable over the past 10 years. It grew from $92 bln to $155 bln in the nine year period to the end of 2008, and has stayed at that absolute level since.”

              “In this perspective, overseas liabilities are now at 143% of GDP and that is its second lowest since the data in this form became available (from 2000). And that is a recovery from its worst level in March 2009 when it was 166%.

              On a per capita basis, the recovery is not as strong. It reached its peak at $88,016 in September 2016 and has fallen since then to the current level of $83,862. At the same time, our international assets on a per capita basis were at their peak at December 2017 at $52,017.”

              https://www.interest.co.nz/news/94905/anxieties-over-our-overseas-debt-obligations-have-faded-significantly-over-past

            • Blazer

               /  January 11, 2019

              you mixing together private and public debt now.
              The reality is the Key Govt borrowed more in 9 years than the cumulative total of the previous …100 years!

              p.s you forgot to mention the Christchurch earthquakes..so far today.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  January 11, 2019

              So Robertson is a fool, an idiot, ignorant of economic realities when he brags about the NZ government debt position being among the best in the world?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  January 11, 2019

              And when you throw in the ChCh rebuild its almost embarrassing just how good the National economic management was… 😁

            • Blazer

               /  January 11, 2019

              Robertson knows full well…don’t frighten the natives=business lobby…softly,softly…great to hear you admire his work.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  January 12, 2019

              I’m an admirer of his chutzpah. He has done a complete flip from bagging the Nats economic policies to trying to take credit for the results of them.
              That takes a special kind of gall.

            • Blazer

               /  January 12, 2019

              ‘ the Nats economic policies ‘…central policy…borrow billions…add unfetterred immigration,property inflation…Nats 3 pronged approach.

  9. Blazer

     /  January 11, 2019

    Steve Keens theory that running deficits that inflation takes care of.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  January 11, 2019

    So National MP Alfred Ngaro??? submitted 1000 questions in one day.If he worked a 10 hour day thats 100 questions an hour and as theres 60 minutes in an hour this lazy toser spent 10 hours shagging around filling in his day on the sweat of common hard working New Zealanders asking patsy questions causing the govt to hire someone to stroke this idiots ego

  11. lurcher1948

     /  January 11, 2019

    PG seems to have banned me,SIGH..

    • Again,no. You commented at 4:33 but I have just come inside at 5:55 (I’ve been building a hen house). I’m not available full time to check comments in moderation. You have proven too much of a risk to this site and to me to allow you to comment without being moderated. If you keep complaining that you have been banned because you don’t get instant action then that may happen, I don’t want to keep explaining this.