Disapproval of Trump, Democrats and Republicans over shutdown

It isn’t surprising to see disapproval of the US President and both parties over the current Government shutdown over the wall impasse – a fundamental part of governing should be to fund current services and employees.

CBS News poll: Trump, Democrats and GOP draw disapproval over shutdown

In a new CBS News/YouGov poll, President Donald Trump, congressional Democrats and congressional Republicans all draw lackluster marks for their handling of the government shutdown, with Americans expressing net disapproval for all three.

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Trump’s overall job approval has also dipped to 53.9% disapprove, 41% approve – see FiveThirtyEight.

Partisan splits are locked in: More than eight in ten Republicans approve of the president’s handling of the shutdown, while seven in ten Democrats approve of congressional Democrats’ handling.

That’s not surprising. But overall Trump is seen as the chump.

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A majority see the border problem as a problem rather than a crisis…

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…and even 38% of Republicans don’t see it as a crisis.

Despite all this disapproval U.S. Government Shutdown Hits Record Length With No End Seen (Bloomberg):

The U.S. government shutdown over President Donald Trump’s demand for border wall funding became the longest in the modern era as it stretched into its 22nd day Saturday with no end in sight.

Negotiations are at a standstill and no more talks are scheduled for the weekend or early next week. The White House scuttled efforts to reach a deal on Capitol Hill on Thursday, and Trump’s budget team is drawing up contingency plans for a shutdown that extends through the end of February, according to an administration official.

About 800,000 federal workers missed their pay for the first time Friday –at least some receiving pay stubs for $0.00 — as unions sued the government for requiring their members to work without pay. At least one airport planned to close a concourse as absences rose among security screeners who haven’t received their wages. Trump said Friday that he planned to sign a bill guaranteeing that federal employees will be given back pay once the government reopens.

Even if they are eventually paid back a month or two without pay will make things difficult for many employees, and air travel disruptions will annoy many more people.

Democrats and the president remain at loggerheads, with party leaders saying they won’t agree to fund any kind of wall or barrier and Trump insisting he won’t agree to reopen the government until the wall is funded.

I’m surprised the disapprovals aren’t greater – but if the impasse continues on then there is likely to be more against the political nonsense in Washington.

I’m astounded that budget related Government shutdowns are able to and are allowed to occur at all.

64 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  January 13, 2019

    Not sure..don’t know!! If it was rocket science, fair enough. But a political poll? If you aren’t sure ; have no opinion, about the present government crisis …. how do you make everyday decisions?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 13, 2019

      There are only three answers, so answers must be arbitrary, with no shades of meaning. Anyone whose views are mixed has no option but to give the not sure/don’t know answer.

      I can’t see how that relates to everyday decisions.

      • Corky

         /  January 13, 2019

        No, you wouldn’t..would you.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 13, 2019

          Someone who ticked that box could well be someone who sees both sides (as many people do, odd as that might sound to you) but there’s no box for that, so they have to put either an imprecise answer or one that is precise but not how they think.. They might well approve the cause but not the means, in which case they can’t tick either approve or disapprove.

          How you make the quantum leap between that and someone being incapable of making other decisions is anyone’s guess. There is no reason to suppose this, as most people are, in fact, capable of making everyday decisions.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 13, 2019

            If you notice, the others are more precise.

          • Corky

             /  January 13, 2019

            You have just bolstered my argument. Although you cannot see that.

            Your problem starts here :

            ”How you make the quantum leap between that and someone being incapable of making other decisions is anyone’s guess. ”

            Its not a quantum leap as your post so eloquently explains.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 13, 2019

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 13, 2019

              Quantum leap is not always used literally.
              Perhaps ‘false reasoning’ or ‘wrong conclusion baded upon no evidence’ would have been better.

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            • Corky

               /  January 13, 2019

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            • Gezza

               /  January 13, 2019

              Damn. I arrived too late to see those before they became too unbearable for anyone to see.

            • Gezza

               /  January 13, 2019

              I think Kitty’s hit the nail on the head above, Corky. I don’t see it as hugely different from someone not voting because no party says it is going to do the one thing they require. I mean, how can anyone who has to consider all the things a government has to do in power possibly do anything in day to day life if they can’t vote simply because they aren’t getting their way on one issue? Does everything else always go their way?

              Obviously not if they’re forever posting about other things that aren’t right as far as they’re concerned – so one might argue they should maybe just stay home, never go out, and thus avoid all conflict of emotion by not going anywhere or doing anything where people won’t do what they want?

          • Corky

             /  January 14, 2019

            See Kitty’s first reply to me ”I can’t see how that relates to everyday decisions.”

            In everyday life you have many decisions to make that don’t include the luxury of ‘don’t know.’

            The people with mixed views who have no choice but to vote ‘don’t know’ as Kitty says, are in my opinion conflicted in real life.

            Look at the above graph..’Handling Federal Government Shut Down’. Whats not to know?

            But that’s not my beef with her comments. It’s this:

            ”How you make the quantum leap between that and someone being incapable of making other decisions is anyone’s guess.”

            Just a slight deviation on what I actually said, then she uses that argument against me. She must have missed the question mark, meaning an enquiring comment….and the irony of ‘don’t know,’yet having to make yes and no decisions everyday in life with no option of ‘not sure.’

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 14, 2019

              Go away, that conversation is over. I can’t be bothered with your distortions and witless deliberate misunderstanding.

              Shoo. Nobody’s interested.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 13, 2019

    The White House scuttled efforts to reach a deal on Capitol Hill on Thursday

    B.s. Pelosi had absolutely no intention of making any concessions to make a deal on Thursday. Trump called it correctly and walked.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 13, 2019

      Inconvenient truth gives PDT stomach ulcers.

      • Blazer

         /  January 13, 2019

        ‘“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-
        witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the
        simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if
        he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of
        doubt, what is laid before him.”

        ― Leo Tolstoy

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 13, 2019

          Your ability to ignore the facts is unparalleled, B.

        • thespectrum

           /  January 13, 2019

          @Blazer. Yes that’s why prejudice is easier to maintain than change. So businessmen and politicians appeal to prejudice all the time. Media outlets like the 6 o’clock news
          have always appealed to the majority prejudice and preference because it is the most economically viable option. That’s why I stopped watching the 6 o’clock news in 1975 and only voted once in 1978. Elections and the 6 o’clock news are for idiots.

        • Duker

           /  January 13, 2019

          Blazer nails it.
          Trump walks out……Trump scuttles attempts….

          That’s the modus operandi of Trump who only wants to negotiate on twitter. Or with bombast when the TV cameras are running.
          ALL the things have happened and arent made up

    • Duker

       /  January 13, 2019

      What was Trumps concessions ?
      None .
      He wanted a ‘deal’ for the budget process in the next few months – laughable that the republican congress didnt have its budget ready by the time the new financial year began last october.
      meanwhile he thinks not paying air traffic controllers will prevent a small % of all those illegally in the country from crossing the border from Mexico

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 13, 2019

        He’s been open to many, don’t be so silly. http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/11/trump-will-win-shutdown/

        • Duker

           /  January 13, 2019

          You seem to be connected – like other righties- to Trumps ‘reasoning’ . Tell us ONE concession that was offered in the meeting to Pelosi/Schumer

          • Duker

             /  January 13, 2019

            The deal for DACA has been rejected by Trump before , after he seemed to agree face to face ( another problem with Trump is he still wants to negotiate after a deal is done or just plain old welsh on a done deal – which is how this particular continuing resolution failed to get his signature)
            he even rubbished his own Vice Presidents proposals for a deal
            https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/23/politics/daca-rejected-deals-trump/index.html

            Thats the major problem with Trumps negotiation- hes a liar, dishonest and acts in bad faith constantly.
            Even hes unilateral decisions are then changed again and again- unilaterally – eg Syria pullout.

            The new arrivals children separated from parents has been banned by court , so its not for him to give back.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 13, 2019

            He would be as half-witted as his critics if he offered concessions knowing his enemies would offer none in return. Fortunately he isn’t.

            • Duker

               /  January 13, 2019

              They have offered some in return… As part of the DACA deals.
              Trumpkoff trashed every possible deal , even one from his VP for a $2.5 bill this year for the wall.
              Meanwhile air traffic controllers aren’t being paid, the security staff at airports aren’t being paid.
              Getting them paid does even stop one person arriving at a border crossing and asking for asylum- nor will a wall stop z truck with drugs hidden in the cargo that passes through a border crossing

  3. Patzcuaro

     /  January 13, 2019

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 13, 2019

    Trump can now boast the longest, greatest, best US Government shutdown in history. Lefty factcheckers bereft.

    • Duker

       /  January 13, 2019

      Is he still calling it the Trump shutdown?

      I guess the cameras arent allowed in his meetings with Pelosi any more as he cant keep his big fat mouth shut.

      Heres a rundown of how ‘border security’ debate ran before Trump

      Republicans demanded more money for Border Patrol agents and necessary fences. Democrats argued for better surveillance technology and more resources at the ports of entry. The two parties squabbled over how much to spend, how to pay for it and how it all fit into the broader struggle to overhaul the nation’s broken immigration system.

      But President Trump has demolished the decades-old, bipartisan understanding about how to bargain over the border. In Mr. Trump’s world, there are no alternatives that can form the basis of a legislative give-and-take, much as his allies and adversaries might hope for them. For the president, the only way to stop what he calls an “onslaught” of illegal immigrants is to erect a massive, concrete or steel barrier across the nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico.

      Yet they have done the border with parts that are ‘wall’ and others that are ‘barrier’ and so one over the years
      Thats the heart of it – No alternatives to Trumps ‘All wall’

      the heart of it is Trumps negotiating style – which is only he is the decider ..
      One thing hes forgotten from when he was building an apartment block, he doesnt control the money any more

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 13, 2019

        Yes, it’s really good that working people are unable to pay bills and mortgages and may end up homeless. Some are dying. People who go to parks find the dunnies locked and have to poo on the ground, and cancer victims can’t, in some cases, have access to treatment. Good work, Trump – I DON’T think.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  January 13, 2019

      He can certainly brag about the longest but greatest and best are more subjective judgements. I’m not sure that presiding over the longest partial shutdown of government is really something to brag about, it indicates to me a lack of management and strategic nous.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 13, 2019

        To his supporters it just indicates a refusal to submit to Lefty thuggery, buggery and druggery.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  January 13, 2019

          Or could be just plain pig headedness.

        • Duker

           /  January 13, 2019

          It’s Trump who was the thug who won’t sign funding legislation to pay federal employees

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 13, 2019

            And he’s a silly, selfish bugger and a drug on the market.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 13, 2019

            Of course he will, Duker. Just as soon as the Dems roll over and submit. When do you predict that will be?

      • Gezza

         /  January 13, 2019

        it indicates to me a lack of management and strategic nous
        It demonstrates, as his whole life does, that other people are nothing to him. Getting his way IS his way. On The Apprentice, and running his business, using & hurting people, without any compunction, was normal. That is who – or what – he is. A supreme narcissist. America got the President they need. Now they might wake up to what they have become as a nation.

  5. Patzcuaro

     /  January 13, 2019

    Trump finally has his wall.

  6. Gezza

     /  January 13, 2019

    Trump’s intransigence has now made it impossible for the Democrats to give in anyway. He said he’d own the shutdown. On 1ewes at 6 people denied their pay were shown run out of money to pay mortgages, insurance, having to sell their cars & other possessions. Having no money to pay rent, or meet a myriad of day-to-day essential expenses (since America invented “everyone living on credit” from pay cheque to pay cheque).One couldn’t repay government-funded student loans. And so on and on.

    The longer it goes on the more desperate people are becoming. Trump is going to collect all the flack. Because clearly his ego is more important than any of their thousands of needs. The Democrats lose nothing; only Trump’s truly hard core Trumpistas blame them.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 13, 2019

      Not true according to the poll. 30% of Dem voters disapprove of their handling. If that trends up or hardens they’ll fold.

      • Gezza

         /  January 13, 2019

        I think you’re wrong. We’ll see.

        • Gezza

           /  January 13, 2019

          And what you really mean, even if you don’t admit it, is that in the end you think the Democrats will CARE too much about the people Trump’s hurting and driving into horrific financial situations, and he won’t.

          So you think they’ll capitulate to his blackmail to save them – because you know he really doesn’t give a fuck about any of these people, or anyone anywhere. They’re nothing; they’re utterly insignificant. All that matters is him cheating, bullying, & winning, as always.

          Not that they’ll “fold”.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 14, 2019

            I think he cares for Republican voters and will try to protect them. Why should he care about the Dems who hate him?

            • Gezza

               /  January 14, 2019

              I don’t think he cares for Republican voters. I think he cares about Republican voters’ votes. That’s all. He’s shat on quite a few Republican voters who criticised his crap behaviours. He cares little about anybody but himself, Al. In my view. I think even his children are just extensions of his own ego. Without him they’d probably be non-entities working mundane jobs living mundane lives. They’ll have learned early they can never be as brilliant & successful as him & that they owe him everything. A man like Trump really doesn’t have friends. They have people they may bestow their glow upon when they massage their egos for them, and who get dropped when they are no longer any use or disagree with him.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 14, 2019

              That’s a lot of presumptive rationalising about someone you’ve never met. Lefties are inclined that way I’ve noticed.

            • Gezza

               /  January 14, 2019

              Well they might be but I’m not a lefty. And you make equall presumptive rationalisations about Trump so don’t be silly and stop making me grin at your nonsense because I know you have a face like a Cheshire Cat.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 14, 2019

            And do you think Pelosi cares about Dem voters she is hurting?

            • Gezza

               /  January 14, 2019

              I think she cares about the Dem voters HE is hurting. This doesn’t have to happen. Trump is making it happen, because he’s a bully and for the reasons I have already explained. He doesn’t care about other people. Did Obama do this when stymied by Republicans? And say he was prepared to do it for a year?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 14, 2019

              What utter tripe. She is deliberately hurting them and trying to blame Trump because she doesn’t want to give him a campaign promise win. That’s all.

            • Gezza

               /  January 14, 2019

              That is correct, either of them could give way – but he can win some and lose some, like other Presidents have done in the situation where the other arseholes control Congress or part of it, in order not to hurt their own employees.That wall can be negotiated into existence over time & will require two way negotiations acceptable to bother sides. He is choosing instead to use his own government servants as pawns to make the Democrats bend to his will. They know if he gets away with this he’ll do it again and again. So they can’t afford to let him. And it will be Trump who carries the can with all except Trumpistanos like your good self.

              S’all there is & there ain’t no more. Good night Irene.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 14, 2019

              He’ll win, and it’s all over, Rover.

            • Gezza

               /  January 14, 2019

              Yeah yeah. Whateva you say, Irene.