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14 January 2019

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  1. Corky

     /  14th January 2019

    Many inventions that may benefit mankind…but National Security comes first.

    Inventor Patrick Flanagan’s Neuro Phone was subject to such an order at one time I believe.

    https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2018/10/invention-secrecy-2018/

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  2. Corky

     /  14th January 2019

    Race wars building in Aussie? Will NZ learn from what’s happening across the ditch? Hell no!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/05/far-right-and-anti-racism-groups-face-off-in-melbourne-flashpoint

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    • PartisanZ

       /  14th January 2019

      These aren’t really ‘race wars’ Corky, IMHO … They are tribal-political protests, disputes and violence-threatening based on people’s politicized perception of and identification with race …

      They are ‘immigration wars’ … where previous new immigrants descendants strive to prevent new immigrants arriving … because they’re White and the new immigrants aren’t …

      The real race wars happened long ago … in Australia it was the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal peoples by the new immigrants’ descendants’ ancestors …

      “St Kilda and nearby Caulfield, areas with high Jewish populations, have also experienced a blitz of anti-semitic vandalism.” ……… I guess you must support this too eh Corky?

      We’ll probably learn … because in all likelihood a minuscule portion of our population will blindly follow and emulate the Far-Right, White-Supremacist Nazi Loons over in Australia …

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      • Corky

         /  14th January 2019

        ”They are tribal-political protests, disputes and violence-threatening based on people’s politicized perception of and identification with race …”

        I tap out.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  14th January 2019

          I wish that you would and not come back.

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          • Gezza

             /  14th January 2019

            Harsh, Kitty. Harsh. Always room for a range of views. Even if the range is a bit narrow. It’s very hard to get you two to play nicely. PG is a saint.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th January 2019

              I do tire of Corky’s smart Alec personal abuse and constant deliberate misunderstanding and misrepresentation of what I have said. It wears very thin, especially the deliberate misrepresentation. The personal abuse is childish and not what one expects from an adult. I think it’s because he can’t stand it when anyone knows more than he does, so has to keep sneering and putting that person down to build his own ego up.

              Having someone maliciously claiming that one has said something when this is a complete fabrication is also very tiresome.

              Different views is one thing, being deliberately misrepresented (to put it politely) is another. So is someone trying to find out personal circumstances like a source of income which are none of their damned business. He has even claimed that I couldn’t possibly have my house insured !!!

            • Gezza

               /  15th January 2019

              All true and I understand why you react to that. But you start other scraps with him when there is no need to even comment; sometimes when plenty of others have obviously just rolled their eyes, or been annoyed or disagree and just whacked in a downtick and moved on, or just skipped over it completely, starving that one of oxygen.

  3. Pickled Possum

     /  14th January 2019

    Immigrants moaning about immigrants eh
    ask the first peoples how that worked out for them.
    Not so well. It seems it’s not going to work out so well for the hard-working Aussie immigrant generations. If everyone should go home to their war-torn happy homes of birth will yous need some boxes and help to pack.

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    • Corky

       /  14th January 2019

      ”Ask the first peoples how that worked out for them”

      Not well for many, Cuz. True. But as usual you must take the context of the times into account. Have you forgiven fellow Maori for slaughtering each other before colonials arrived?

      Why wouldn’t white settlers of the time consider Aborigines sub-human and try to exterminate them. That was the times…that was conflict resolution at its earliest inception.

      But if you want to play games. Tell me what Australia would look like now without white settlement?

      And guess who would have settled Australia..yeah, Indonesia. What a great human rights record they have.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  14th January 2019

    A beautiful rhyme in todays Dominion Post
    GRUMPTY TRUMPTY…
    GRUMPTY TRUMPTY WANTS A BIG WALL
    GRUMPTY TRUMPTY TWEETS TO US ALL:
    “ALL FEDERAL WORKERS WILL GO WITHOUT PAY”,
    “I’M SCREWING THE COUNTRY TILL I GET MY WAY;”

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  14th January 2019

      It was in the Waikato Times with a cartoon that was perfect for it; I don’t know who did it. Did the DP have that ?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  14th January 2019

        800,000 people are either working for no pay or forced to go on unpaid leave. Bad luck if they’d made plans for a holiday somewhere at another time.

        That’s slave labour, surely.With any luck, it’ll be the end of Trump. Only 39% even want the damned wall.

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  14th January 2019

    Good to get a Newsroom notification again today, with –

    ‘The poo logistics behind your latte’ – Farah Hancock

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/01/13/390433/the-poo-logistics-behind-your-latte

    “Over the course of a 270-day milking year, that’s more than 67 billion litres, or almost 27,000 Olympic pools full of poo, pee and water. Putting it in context, the volume of milk processed by dairy companies in 2016-17, was 21 billion litres.”

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  14th January 2019

    And – ‘Immigration minister’s warning to dodgy employers’ – Newsroom

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/01/13/395714/immigration-ministers-warning-to-dodgy-employers

    “Those tasked with detecting and stopping migrant worker exploitation have found it in everywhere they’ve looked. Now the minister is sending a warning to those who are skirting the law.”

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  14th January 2019

    And – ‘The SPCA’s inconvenient truth’ – Dr Marie McEntee

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/01/13/394059/the-spcas-inconvenient-truth

    “As humans at the top of the food chain, we alone in the world have ethics and morals. We must take responsibility for all our control methods, including those used for feral cats, rats, mice, possums, deer, pigs, goats, stoats, ferrets, weasels and any other unwanted fauna …

    Organisations raising valid questions, like the SPCA, are painted as extremists, but they are not. The SPCA has a right and probably a legal obligation to question current practices around the use of toxins, however inconvenient the truth may be.”

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    • lurcher1948

       /  14th January 2019

      The SPCA,leftist terrorists in the rich prick national party minds, MONEY RULES, ,DONORS

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    • PartisanZ

       /  14th January 2019

      “New Zealand has made huge and internationally important advances in environmental pest control. Let’s not stop now. To rest on our laurels risks the voice against a total ban on toxins becoming more strident. Agencies’ use of toxins is dependent on communities granting them a social licence to operate and the granting of this is more precarious than some may recognise.”

      Most excellent article …

      When are we going to tackle pest trees?

      Around here its sickening to see the exponential invasive growth of especially privet, increasingly dominating the road-reserve bush and much on private land too …

      Along with tobacco weed, ginger, lantana, bamboo grass (Arundo Donax), pampas and the ubiquitous Wilding Pine … to name some … the regenerating indigenous forest – supposedly such a ‘clean green’ tourist attraction – is rapidly being overwhelmed … in places it hasn’t already been …

      Another thing my Roadside Rehabilitation Teams could do, along with taking out exotics and planting natives, harvesting biomass, felling dangerous old trees, stabilizing slopes, manufacturing & selling biodiesel and firewood, controlling litter and creating employment and training opportunities … is tend and replenish bait stations and traps!

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      • PartisanZ

         /  14th January 2019

        How did that happen? The above comment “That’s PGF Roadside Rehabilitation Teams …” should be here …

        Or, as Corky put it earlier … “That was meant for Parti”

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      • PartisanZ

         /  14th January 2019

        Allow me to embellish somewhat upon a variegated conspiracy theory about ‘Predator Free 2050’ and its wholesale use of aerial 1080 poison drops …

        TITLE: [THEME MUSIC] … MORE MONEY THAN POISON …

        [DRAMATIC MUSIC] A tale of corporate-political influence and industry muscle involving global players, NZ government departments and high-level charitocracies, and including a prevalent activity in New Zealand corporate-politics nowadays … ‘Legitimized Corruption’ …

        THEORY [Brief]: An opaque (rather than transparent) cartelocracy* forms, made up of industry and government ‘agents’, possibly including global aluminium, phosphate, cement, steel and nuclear weapons manufacturing corporations – for whom flouride is a difficult-to-dispose-of waste by-product – along with varied players such as Fertilizer firms, Federated Farmers and Forestry Companies through The NZ Initiative to The Taxpayer’s Union – indeed, anyone with a vested interest in paying less tax – because human-oriented and humane pest control alternatives all cost more MONEY than poison.

        ‘The 1080 Cartel’ informs DoC, Forest & Bird and other government and charity sector players, in persuasive terms, that for the foreseeable future, (ie until 2050), their funding will be dependent upon their unwavering agreement and unequivocal support for 1080 poison …

        As it did during Rogerednomics for the removal of tariff protections, Aotearoa New Zealand becomes the world’s socio-environmental ‘laboratory’ for the testing of ideology-based, ruthlessly financial and demi-criminal* public policies …

        This particular Cartelocracy* is Bluer than Blue … although it is not being reviewed by Blacker-than-Red as far as I know …

        Two new words Cartelocracy and demi-criminal takes us to # 199 …

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  14th January 2019

    One for Kitty, RED photographed at HUHA day in the park, followed by a 7 km walk along the Waikanae River, yesterday…Jo Moore photos and shes so good
    https://scontent.fpmr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49900025_2262914267075743_120158225570988032_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fpmr1-1.fna&oh=4e45a848331c866a8ec53548712a663e&oe=5CBB004D

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    • lurcher1948

       /  14th January 2019

      HUHA…HUmansHelping Animals if you dont know,a worthy cause

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  14th January 2019

        He’s lovely. I love his velvety ears, give them a rub from Auntie Kitty. He has a face full of character and intelligence. Was he a rescued dog, too ?

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        • lurcher1948

           /  14th January 2019

          SPCA

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  14th January 2019

            So some fool didn’t want him.

            The dog who was in The Artist was rejected by two or three lots of people who must have been as sick as mud when he became a film star. He was brilliant; I thought that he was the actor’s own dog because of the chemistry between them.

            Has RED ever done any acting? He’d be wonderful in ads.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  14th January 2019

      Red is a Mighty fine looking dawg there lurch

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  14th January 2019

    As the whole world knows when the Police chase Darwins ferals in a police pursuit, they,the police ALWAYS stop after 60 seconds, and everyone knows they the police,have EGG TIMERS that they set when they put their donuts down before they chase the young Maoris stealing the car(PS the odd whitey steals but its rare)its a treaty thing

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    • NOEL

       /  14th January 2019

      The New Zealand policy defines a pursuit as follows:
      “A pursuit occurs when the driver of a vehicle which has been
      signalled by a police officer to stop, fails to stop and attempts to
      evade apprehension, and police take action to apprehend the
      offender.”

      Having initiated the pursuit it is the Pursuit Controller at Comms who determines when it should cease. No egg timers involved.

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  14th January 2019

    Worst ever drive back from Auckland this afternoon. Long queues into Warkworth and Wellsford. Then a tractor doing 30km/h with 2km tailback. Big signs into Wellsford:

    We know this traffic is a pain.
    National was building a four lane highway
    Labour cancelled it

    Finally a crash on the southern approach to Whangarei where Labour put plastic centre polls. Crawled stop/start for 5km. Then diverted miles on windy little roads thru Maungakaramea.

    Trip that should take 3 hrs took 5 hrs. Thanks for nothing, Labour.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  14th January 2019

      Suck it up Al. Both governments are equally inept, i defy anyone to pick a winner from that rabble. The Nats loosened the reins on immigration and the halo effect has settled over Whangarei. They stood back and watched tourism numbers explode while doing sfa about infrastructure. Heard an interesting stat today that will torment your drive up from aux for years to come …on any given day 80m people worldwide are now googling nz tourism. This conjures up an image of an unbroken line of campervans stretching from aux to whangas. I’ve seen this phenomenon in the rockies, its not a pleasant site

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th January 2019

        Rubbish, C. Nats spent more on the road north than had been spent for decades. Labour and the Greens are just f..ing idiots.

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        • Gezza

           /  14th January 2019

          Automatic downtick for calling someone’s reasonable argument “rubbish” Al.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th January 2019

            It wasn’t an argument, it was an untruth. So rubbish to you too.

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            • Gezza

               /  14th January 2019

              Dammit, Al. I’m fkin busy elsewhere. Stop giving me unnecessary work.
              Take … that ! 😡

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th January 2019

              Transport like any spending is a trade-off. As a reprogrammed right winger it hurts for me to tell you who offered up this truthful observation so I’ll pass…

              But overall they have poured people into Auckland causing a housing crisis, massive traffic congestion, social problems, and a structural infrastructural deficit, while also starving Auckland of the funds to cope with it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              Sovislist crap.
              Auckland wasn’t starved of funds, it was hamstrung by bureaucracy. I don’t see any of the private sector infrastructure providers complaining about being unable to meet growth. Only the seatwarmers.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th January 2019

              What the devil is a sovislist? I searched far and wide and could only find a single reference but no wiser.

              I think you will find pte sector infra providers love bureacracy as they are able to milk it unhampered by any form of fiscal control …as you would have seen clearly as you passed tarewa park in whangarei today …a sea of cones and a never ending rort of epic proportions

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              It’s a sociaiist, fat-finger typed in anger! Oh yes, Tarawera park is yet another very happy hunting ground for the taxpayer milkers. It is a different story when they have to fund it with their own cash.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th January 2019

              Best take another bath al

            • PartisanZ

               /  14th January 2019

              Alan –

              “The Northern Express Group is made up of firms with considerable experience in the design, construction, finance, maintenance and management of key infrastructure projects. The equity partners in the consortium are:

              Accident Compensation Corporation
              Public Infrastructure Partners II LP (managed by Morrison & Co PIP Ltd)
              Acciona Concesiones S.L.
              Fletcher Building Ltd

              Taxpayer milkers?

              Oh, we’re gonna pay for it All Right!

              https://www.nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/ppp-contract-awarded-for-puhoi-to-warkworth-motorway-project/

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              Auckland Transport is spending $28B over ten years. The PPP is costing $0.7B over twenty-five years.

            • PartisanZ

               /  14th January 2019

              No, the Puhoi-to-Warkworth PPP is spending $0.7B over 6 years to build it, recoverable over 25 years … A reasonable estimate for Warkworth to Whangarei would be 6 or 7 or 8 more sections, depending on the Brynderwyns by-pass, costing minimum $1B each … all built in perhaps 30 years and recoverable in God Knows how long …

              Auckland traffic and GDP-Shipping volumes are probably 28 times those of Northland?

              I think you need to learn about traffic flow Alan … Flow … and about going with it rather than railing against it …

            • PartisanZ

               /  14th January 2019

              Conspiratoor … back with “a reprogrammed right winger” vengeance!

            • Pickled Possum

               /  14th January 2019

              EEECK!!!! He is quoting LPrent I right hand googled his whakatauki

            • PartisanZ

               /  14th January 2019

              Arghhhhhh!!!! Run!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th January 2019

              The cost covers operation and maintenance over 25 years according to your own link. It is not spent in 6.

  11. PartisanZ

     /  14th January 2019

    Allow me to translate Alan …

    We know this traffic is a pain but we’d be more pissed-off if a spare couple of policemen on point-duty were to easily alleviate it … which they could at any time … especially during holiday rushes …

    National was promising to build a four lane motorway which would not have reached the Warkworth ‘South’ area until 2026 at the earliest … would cost me at least another $2.20 to use – on top of $2.20 for the tunnel and another $2.20 to Puhoi … and which would have by-passed Warkworth township completely … possibly sending the town into an economic tailspin …

    And you’re talking Wellsford … fully another 19km section of RoNS away … another $2.20 at least … by 2030 when it approaches Wellsford … only to by-pass that town too!

    Big signs into Wellsford: The Bluer-than-Blue paid-up National and Conservative Party Fundamentalist Christians and Closed Brethrens were out in force today eh?

    Labour suspended four lanes beyond Puhoi, due to it mainly being an unashamed election bribe, in favour of safer development covering much wider areas, including the roadway to my home in Matakana &/or Leigh &/or Pakiri or wherever … the road I’m constantly complaining about …

    I’ll be interested to learn about the accident where there are “Yellow Sticks” because, as far as I know, they have so far prevented any fatalities since being installed …

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th January 2019

      Who cares if it was fatal? It cost thousands of people hours of their lives and will happen again repeatedly.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th January 2019

        My bet would be – judged on the clueless incompetence of a proportion of drivers seen today – it probably happened on one of the passing lanes. A plastic stick won’t stop a vehicle being shunted into oncoming traffic.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  14th January 2019

          These two comments assume that accidents caused by “clueless incompetence” – or any other reason – will somehow NOT happen on a four lane motorway – two lanes each way … not unlike the two lanes of a passing lane section …

          Post-and-cable barriers costing hundreds-of-thousands per Km might do as much or more damage to the vehicle being shunted than it being shunted into oncoming traffic … and I thought yous Righties were into cost-benefit ratios and stuff … or does that not apply where peoples’ safety is concerned?

          In which case how can you complain about most of the regulations you complain about most of the time?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th January 2019

            Except none of that is true as proven by decades of experience all over the world. Any more crap?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              To expand the blindingly obvious, passing lane accidents don’t happen on four lane divided because the passing lanes don’t end and bad lane changes don’t end in a head on crash at a closing speed of 200km/h.

            • PartisanZ

               /  14th January 2019

              My above should read, “or does that ONLY apply where people’s safety is concerned” … In other words, We’ll only grossly overspend on safety …

              But where there are other ‘expensive’ safety regulations and requirements, we’ll complain like hell!

              I hate to say it, except I have already down below, but heart-breaking personal tragedies in loss of life on this section of road alone in NZ are now being used as ‘political ammunition’ by National for their pig-headed, over-blown election bribe project …

              Fix the blackspots … by-pass the genuine danger zones … passing lanes … rumble zones … yellow sticks AND median barriers in places …

              WAIT! All the things Labour-led are doing …

              All the things National DIDN’T DO in 9 years of office. How many lives lost is that again Shane … and Matt … ?

      • Blazer

         /  14th January 2019

        tough…my heart bleeds for you.
        You’re not time poor’…these days.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  14th January 2019

          Rasperry to you too, B. Vote Labour to be governed by idiots. You did I trust?

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          • Blazer

             /  14th January 2019

            wrong as usual Al.
            Need a sealed 4 lane highway right to your door.

            Nats have big investments in roading coys..to be sure.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              4 lane divided, B. And just for the national arterials, not to my door. Like a grown up country – Sweden, for example. Lefties like it, don’t they? (Except for its education vouchers.).

            • Blazer

               /  14th January 2019

              jeezus Al..chill out!You have every material thing in life..whats up!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              I’ve just spent ten hours commuting and had it with know-nothing do-nothing idiots.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              Dud I mention the halfwits responsible for plastering thousands of unnnecessary road cones all over the roads? And holding up traffic to move them around?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              God, it’s lucky I’m patient!!

            • Gezza

               /  14th January 2019

              I think you may possibly have mentioned that on the odd hundred of occasions, Sir Alan. 😐

            • Gezza

               /  14th January 2019

              The road cones, I meant. I’m still thinking about your patience.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              Mrs Al thinks my patience is legendary.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th January 2019

              Or was that illusory?

            • Gezza

               /  14th January 2019

              It might be that problem ear? Incendiary sounds more like it? o_O

            • Gezza

               /  14th January 2019

              Ask her again and listen more carefully.

    • Griff.

       /  14th January 2019

      National was promising to build a four lane motorway which would not have reached the Warkworth ‘South’ area until 2026 at the earliest … would cost me at least another $2.20 to use – on top of $2.20 for the tunnel and another $2.20 to Puhoi

      you are a little confused.
      Johnston tunnels to north of Warkworth will open in 2021.
      Few who are travailing SH1 detour to shop in Warkworth now.
      The new motorway ends to the north of town at Kaipara flats rd . I doupt it will actually make much difference to shopper numbers in Warkworth besides getting the though traffic away from the totally shit intersection at hill st.
      The old route will still be there.
      If you want to save 2,20 cents use it just as you can still use the old route though wiawera,
      From experience what you save in tolls you will lose in extra gas and time due to the new roads better alignment and traffic flows. ,

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      • PartisanZ

         /  14th January 2019

        Fair enough Griff … only $4.40 in tolls to North of Warkworth by 2022 …

        https://www.nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/ppp-contract-awarded-for-puhoi-to-warkworth-motorway-project/

        The old route will still be there and have to be maintained with other people’s money, won’t it?

        All I was saying is people complain about their local roads … but if they’re happy to give up on their local roads for the sake of ‘the greater good’ then they should shut the fuck up!

        It’s somehow neoliberally counter-intuitive to give up on ME, ME, ME and MY local roads for the greater good. That’s kinda like a “socialist” idea isn’t it?

        Mind you, it’s neoliberally counter-intuitive to build a highway where the dollars expenditure doesn’t tally with regional earnings and contribution to GDP …

        Although creating an entire second roadway for the sake of pushing the ‘ideology’ of PPPs and “user pays infrastructure” Toll roads is neoliberal to its heartless core. A separate route for rich and poor.

        Warkworth to Wellsford was the by-election bribe. National lost. They had to ‘up’ the ante, appealing invariably to the White farmer, forestry, tourism operator and trucking-lobby elector, and relying completely on the Labour resurgence and the Greens splitting the NZFirst vote …

        That’s politics … but it screws the average Northlander … and doubly screws the Far North.

        Wellsford to Whangarei became the general election bribe … a very ambitious, un-planned and excessively expensive one considering the %GDP-Shipping volume travelling the highway is half or less of its nearest RoNS highway rival … Bay of Plenty … and quarter or less than the main trunk of SH1 Auckland-to-Wellington. Four lanes in Northland is simply unwarranted …

        National’s obsession with retaining the seat of Northland is equally inexplicable when they go to these sorts of irrational lengths to do so … They’re now engaged in an every day media war promoting four lanes, have been for a year … using tragic loss of life they could have ameliorated or prevented as ammunition … and we’re still two years out from the election.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  14th January 2019

          Fatuous. The traffic on SH1 into Whangarei is horrific and continuously increasing.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  14th January 2019

            Well, I haven’t found it “horrific” when I’ve been driving there – except in holiday peaks when it can get severely slowed or jammed and quite frustrating – I’ve found it much as I remember and expect aside from an ever increasing number of ever larger trucks …

            Anyhow, Labour-led has plans to effectively four lane SH1 south of Whanga’s with their alternative route … which will channel Northland export freight to where the fuck it should go … NorthPort!

            What National has achieved with their insane ‘single-issue’ election bribe is to create totally unrealistic expectations in their voter-donor base – along with the occasional Griff – who now have to pay for a continual and expensive advertorial indoctriculture program to convince everyone Northland’s only saviours are ‘Four Lanes + Chinese Investment’ …

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            • PartisanZ

               /  14th January 2019

              Shane Jones and Blacker-than-Red’s election bribes are much more strategically placed and far better spread around the North and Far North … and vastly more understandable to “rurally abandoned” Northlanders …

              I predict they’ll win the seat back in 2020 …

              They won’t have to stand much of a candidate to outdo Matt King either … He who insults his constituents living in the seat of their Local Government by calling Kaikohe a “town full of no hopers” …

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th January 2019

              How many votes do you think National will lose in Kaikohe? From those who don’t already think and know first-hand it is full of no-hopers?

              What is Shane doing for them?

    • Griff.

       /  14th January 2019

      Kaching the money shot .
      ,

      including the roadway to my home in Matakana &/or Leigh &/or Pakiri or wherever … the road I’m constantly complaining about …

      Fuck the tens of thousands traveling along our major highway SH1 and the hundreds of thousands who rely on it to freight their daily necessitys I only care about the few hundred living in my little dead end piece of nowhereville.

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