Open Forum – Sunday

20 January 2019

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  1. Corky

     /  January 20, 2019

    Sar Major is gone:

    • Gezza

       /  January 20, 2019

      Damn! Gone too soon. One of the best comedy series of my time; and he was the absolute, unrivalled star of the show. Epitomised Sar’ Majors the world over.

      RIP, lovely boy – you superstar. 😢🌹

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6609977/It-Aint-Half-Hot-Mum-star-Windsor-Davies-dies-aged-88.html

      • Corky

         /  January 20, 2019

        True. Sar Major was a favourite of mine. Just looking at a list of past British comedy shows. What a treasure trove of talent. On The Buses..geez, I had forgotten about them. My aunty had a crush on the toothy bus conductor.

        • Blazer

           /  January 20, 2019

          • Corky

             /  January 20, 2019

            Geez, Blazer. Lucky you got that past the chief film censor. That suggestive part with the ticket dispenser is indicative of male degradation of women because of a spurious assumption women’s bodies may be seen as a sexual turn-on for men.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 20, 2019

              Nobody ever seemed to say ‘sar major’; it’s always Sergeant Major in full. Is Sar Major an Americanism ? It certainly wasn’t used on this show.

              I didn’t realise at the time that the expressions he used (‘lovely boys’ etc) were real army ones…and that the company was based upon the writer’s own army time in one like it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 20, 2019

              Even the name was from a real soldier’s words that he put at the end of every letter home.

              Dad’s Army, To the Manor Born, It Ain’t Half Hot, Mum, The Good Life, Mulberry….the golden age of English comedy. And so much was due to two script writers !

              The Liver Birds, Are You Being Served ?

            • Corky

               /  January 20, 2019

              Listen to the officers.

            • Corky

               /  January 20, 2019

              ”Nobody ever seemed to say ‘sar major’; it’s always Sergeant Major in full. Is Sar Major an Americanism ? It certainly wasn’t used on this show.”

              We have been over this before. In real life it’s Sergeant Major. New recruits are warned to use the correct pronunciation when speaking to a Sergeant otherwise charges may follow.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 20, 2019

              You may have been over this before, I haven’t.

              In only one place does an officer address the Sergeant Major, and he says Sergeant Major, NOT Sar Major.

              Given that the writer was in the army himself and based the series on his own army life, one might imagine that he would know.

            • Corky

               /  January 20, 2019

              Turn your hearing aid up. At 4.25. Can’t be bothered finding other clips.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  January 20, 2019

    Where is the gypsy family…have they left the hills above Tawa and headed south on the ferry?????

    • Gezza

       /  January 20, 2019

      No idea. Hell of a lot of people round here have dogs & walk them all day every day, Lurchy. Probably one or two let off the leash would’ve seen them move on pretty quickly.

    • Corky

       /  January 20, 2019

      If RED’s ribs are showing, make sure some of these ferals aren’t in his kennel; eating his food. They will probably give him fleas.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 20, 2019

        It’s very kind of so many Kiwis to offer to help these poor folk with their much needed attitude adjustment.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 20, 2019

          These are people who have committed crimes every day since they’ve been here, as well as using the place as their rubbish dump.

          They are notorious in the place where they live in the UK. They are said to pee, poo and have sex in the open among other things.

          They’re ‘travellers’, not just travellers. It’s bred into them.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 20, 2019

            They were the same in my mother’s time in Ulster; dirty and dishonest and would steal anything that was left unguarded.

          • Corky

             /  January 20, 2019

            You mean Gypsies ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 20, 2019

              They are two different groups; Travellers are not the same as the Romany Gypsies. They are different ethnic groups.

            • Corky

               /  January 20, 2019

              ”There are two types of Gypsies – Roma Gypsies and Irish Travellers. Both have a nomadic lifestyle but are separate ethnic groups. … There is much debate about their history, however Romany Gypsies are said to have their roots in India and came to Europe in the 13th century, while Travellers are mainly of Irish origin.”

              Sounds like Gypsies to me. Even their origins are disputed. I would definitely go with them being Indian in origin if you look at historical photos.

              The others may be just white ferals who couldn’t fit into a normal society.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 20, 2019

            No, I mean ‘travellers’, which is why I said it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 20, 2019

              No. They are NOT the same thing. I am aware of the theories about the origins of Gypsies, thank you. I know what Travellers are.

              My parents were from Ireland. They knew about these people. They probably knew more than you do, odd as that might seem.

              One theory has Gypsies being Egyptian (hence the name, and an old name for them in some parts of the UK was Egyptians) another links them to Roumania (hence Romany)

              Looking up the first Google entry can be a false friend.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 20, 2019

              If the ones here are bona fide Travellers, which is now officially recognised as being an ethnic group, they are not just whites who can’t fit in. That is not what the Irish Parliament has recognised as a race.

            • Corky

               /  January 20, 2019

              ”My parents were from Ireland. They knew about these people. They probably knew more than you do, odd as that might seem.”

              I’m sorry, I’m confused. I thought you said your grandmother was from Ireland?

              My point being the ‘Gypsies’moniker may not be used nowadays simply because of the negative connotations associated with the name?

              In other words pc bs.

              https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/roma-gypsies-in-prewar-europe

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 20, 2019

          I said my mother; it’s a few posts above this one. Don’t try to tell me where I said that my parents are from, please.You really are confused, aren’t you ? Is it memory loss ? How sad.

          You said nothing before about the name Gypsy not being used because of negative connotations, so were not making that point; you’ve just looked it up now and are trying to look as if you know more than you do.

          Anyone from Ireland knows about Gypsies and Travelling People/Tinkers. One grows up hearing stories about them.

          I can’t be bothered to say what the difference is again and again. I am sorry that you are confused, but I can do nothing about that.

          • Corky

             /  January 20, 2019

            ‘You said nothing before about the name Gypsy not being used because of negative connotations.”

            Mentioned IT twice before. I assumed you would remember as we have also had this discussion before( along with the Eskimo name) Seems this memory loss thing is catching.

  3. PartisanZ

     /  January 20, 2019

    WAM, HAC and WMAG

    Thanks Simon Wilson for your in-depth article about the history and troubles of Hundertwasser Art Centre [HAC] (Advocate Sat 19 Jan). What an awful, decades-long haul it’s been.

    As a Far North resident and Northland Regional Council ratepayer I have unwillingly paid a share toward this Whangarei-centric project.

    I believe Hundertwasser bequeathed his legacy to Kawakawa, and that Whangarei should have gotten over their prior dismissal of him, moved on and created a truly unique “most important visitor attraction” all its own.

    This might have begun with original Aotearoa New Zealand architecture, a genuinely ‘Kiwi’ edifice – “integral with our identities” – reflecting Whangarei’s pre-and-post colonial history and/or future aspirations. A regional or nationwide design competition?

    Such courage might have resulted in a building comparable to Sydney Opera House. HAC inspires no such awe in me. I find the design at best dated, at worst inappropriate.

    Hundertwasser’s rightful place, Kawakawa, must now compete with Whangarei for the same market share and contestable funding.

    Whangarei Art Museum [WAM] is already “presenting exhibitions of contemporary fine art” from “major public galleries and private owners”.

    Instead, a uniquely Te Tai Tokerau Pokapu Toi/Art Centre could exhibit and sell original work by established and emerging Northland artists, Maori and Pakeha: and also incorporate Wairau Maori Art Gallery’s [WMAG’s] kaupapa, permanently or periodically, charging admission where appropriate.

    In an expansive, incredibly diverse region overflowing with amazing visual arts talent, constantly under-funded, to squander $29 million on this one project borders on criminal in my opinion.

    • Gezza

       /  January 20, 2019

      Not much chance of privacy in Hunny’s loo at Kawakawa, when Sir Alan chauffeured me there in the Audi Quatro last December, Parti.

      Couldn’t relax & pee with that crowd of oohing and ahhing, smiling, foreigners like yanks, huns, and chinese visitors – all going “isn’t it fantastic?” (or the Mandarin phrases to that general effect)

      • Corky

         /  January 20, 2019

        I see your point. One camera pointing in the wrong direction and you’d be a YouTube sensation. I notice at Maori motif has been be added so as not to offend local tangata whenua?

        • Gezza

           /  January 20, 2019

          :/ You come out with the oddest things sometimes, Corks ! o_O
          Hunny was very taken with Maori motifs, as am I, being a 4th generation native born Kiwi. 😎

          • Corky

             /  January 20, 2019

            I must plead ignorance. I only know what I have seen on TV. It just looks slightly out of place in that setting.

            • Gezza

               /  January 20, 2019

              I must plead ignorance.

            • Corky

               /  January 20, 2019

              Er, no Your Honour. There’s the point of my original comment having a question mark after it.

              And of course you haven’t ruled on the Mardee mofit?

              You are a real judge…aren’t you? And not someone on a work scheme? 😜

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 20, 2019

            It’s very like the design on his NZ Flag … and has distinct similarities with the FNDC logo, which is sensibly the other way up … Koru unfurl upwards …

            So even that could be a comment or a piss-take on H’s part … “down under” or *F YOU* …

      • PartisanZ

         /  January 20, 2019

        Yes, and after snubbing Hundertwasser 20-something years ago, Whangarei jumps back on the bandwagon partly because so many people, especially the much sought after ‘tourist’, stops there to take a photo and have a piss and a shit!

        Now Kawakawa is getting a Hundertwasser ‘hub’ or community centre with funding support from FNDC and PGF. Shane Jones to the rescue in direct competition for that contestable tax dollar … I believe they are not allowed to use the Hundertwasser name as its main title though, because Whangarei has secured the ‘rights’, so its calling itself the Te Hononga the joining of people: Hundertwasser Memorial Park.

        I believe at least one trustee resigned as a result of the Hundertwasser Trust putting Frendenich second rather than first in their name and planning strategies. Whangarei effectively stared them down and outgunned them.

        We end up with two largely taxpayer & charitocracy funded Hundertwasser ‘places’* for the tourist to visit, one, Kawakawa, being the gateway to the Far North [new name required?], the most deserving one … and the poor cousin …

        I wonder if this kind of *SHITE* happens in other countries?

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 20, 2019

          *places – the latest ‘brand’ in community funding at FNDC is “Placemaking” …

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 20, 2019

      Hundertwasser (most apt name in this case) was a major c.20 artist, and NZ is lucky to have one of his works.

      My ex and I once had dinner with his mistress; a beautiful young blonde woman. I can’t now remember how that happened. It was in a superb Chinese restaurant in Auckland.

      • PartisanZ

         /  January 20, 2019

        That’s right Miss Kitty … We’ve got one, the toilets … and Kawakawa was all along intending and fundraising to ‘extend the concept’ (so to speak) …

        It was puerile region/district rivalry and lack of creative thinking on Whangarei’s part that has led us to have two ‘works’ … and sooner several more at Kawakawa …

        Honestly, its like Taupo saying, “We want the story of Hinemoa & Tutanekai. We’ve got a lake, and islands … Rotorua doesn’t need to monopolize that story”

    • duperez

       /  January 20, 2019

      Imagining an imaginative, unique project instead of the Hundertwasser Project and imagining the ‘selling’ to it of the citizens? Now there’s a challenge!

      We could have gone with something spectacular and totally unique of course which would have become the most photographed thing in the region, something to symbolise who we are, what we stand for. Like Auckland did. A big tower with a casino no less.

      Over the years of the arguing and the back and forth the provincial attitude in Whangarei came through loud and strong. There was no way many wanted money put into the project. At the same time millions and millions were put into a flash new police station, a big flash courthouse and its extension, WINZ offices and the Northland Region Corrections Facility. (Ngawha Prison) We had our priorities right.

      You wanted the courage to come up with ‘our’ thing? It’s hard enough trying to courageously come up with and have accepted even a simple destination and courageously drive the car forward at 5kph in the region. No courage exists which might have resulted in a building comparable to Sydney Opera House.

      (Have you unwillingly paid a share toward that Wellington-centric Te Papa project?)

      • PartisanZ

         /  January 20, 2019

        Hundertwasser was only “sold to the citizens” by an exhaustive PR campaign resulting in a majority at a bizarre, some say ‘engineered’, apples for oranges, three-way option local body referendum …

        The HWMAC received 51% of the vote, with the demolition option receiving 29% and 20% voting for the Harbourside option. Some local media have called it a landslide victory. Voter turnout was 49% …

        Prior to that though, a telephone survey [of admittedly only landlines] showed a different story, “In the weighted results 53% of residents opposed the HAC project whereas 28% supported it.”

        So much water passed under the bridge between these two, though, its impossible to describe it all here. “Procedural issues” …

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundertwasser_Arts_Centre

        Te Papa is not a comparable example IMHO. Apples and Oranges again. I can’t think of one right now … The Dept of Internal Affairs compared to The Austrian Embassy …?

        Who says something comparable to the Sydney Opera House couldn’t have been designed & built? We don’t ‘know’ that … like we don’t know our only option is essentially to copy something from overseas …

        • duperez

           /  January 20, 2019

          You said “Whangarei jumps back on the bandwagon.” You mean some people picked up the notion and went with it? “Whangarei” didn’t jump on the bandwagon.

          As for Hundertwasser only being “sold to the citizens” by an exhaustive PR campaign do you mean along with exhausting work over many years? And do you think anything creative or innovative our involving expense could be sold to the citizens of Whangarei without both of those things?

          Whangarei is a classic conservative provincial town. If someone like Tim Shadbolt had arrived in Whangarei and tried to be Mayor and tried to get the Polytech to drop fees he would’ve been laughed or chased out of town.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 20, 2019

            Yeah but they’ll back an artist who, when a former Mayor visited him, greeted him at the door naked with two ‘mistresses’ in attendance …

  4. lurcher1948

     /  January 20, 2019

    To you Tommy Robinson fans, youtube has come down on him and he cannot earn any income from his hate(Muslim education)videos. Twitters banned him,Facebook is on the verge and he’s been restricted on youtube, the social media links to this racist is becoming limited

  5. lurcher1948

     /  January 20, 2019

    I will explain better,youtube has banned him from getting any payments for ads on his site

  6. Kitty Catkin

     /  January 20, 2019

    Oh dear, how sad, never MIND, as the Sergeant Major used to say.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  January 20, 2019

    Trumps catholic young ferals,i don’t think it’s going to end well for the young Trump supporters

    • Corky

       /  January 20, 2019

      Natives or Pale Skins, Lurchy? And why aren’t the different tribes bashing each other like us Maori do? I just can’t see Apache and Sioux braves being friends.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  January 20, 2019

      Looks like they might facing the principal Monday morning.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  January 20, 2019

      They must have been attending the March for White Lives, not a lot of respect for Native American lives here.

      • Corky

         /  January 20, 2019

        Very disrespectful. Especially that smug young prick in the front.

        • lurcher1948

           /  January 20, 2019

          The Catholic school has changed its twitter settings to private, and people have uploaded the schools business sponsors with a view of a boycott, every action has an equal reaction

          • Gezza

             /  January 20, 2019

            They seem very dense, those kids. Not a lot going on up top, & not a lot up there for it to be going on with. 😐

  8. Corky

     /  January 20, 2019

    Crikey, this ticks all the boxes for Parti. I hate to admit it..but somethings I agree with, too.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12187785