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23 January 2019

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  1. Gerrit

     /  January 23, 2019

    Wheels starting to fall off the Pike River Re-entry bus?

    –“Police will not send staff in with the first Pike River mine re-entry team following a risk assessment.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110096334/safety-first-before-police-pike-river-mine-reentry

    Without Police there will be no forensic evidence collected that will stand up in a court of law.

    Winston Peters led team going in without Police forensic staff will possibly lead to forensic contamination and can thus be questioned in said court of law.

    Will the Police be forced into the reentry and how does that sit with OSH compliance?

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    • David

       /  January 23, 2019

      Not a fantastic start to 2019 for Labour with people on Jobseeker benefit up, Kiwibuilds down and this expensive waste of time.
      Lets face it if it was easy to go into the mine National would have done it and avoided having Bernie Monk smacking them around with the assistance of a compliant media. Labour played politics with this disgracefully there should be deserved blowback when this goes south.

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    • Corky

       /  January 23, 2019

      Police stuffed things up at the beginning of Pike River. They are still stuffing things up. The Police need to find their balls. They have a job to do..and from what many experts around the world have said, it’s a Green Light.

      This is a similar rerun of an incident in Auckland where a dairy owner lay dying as police refused to enter the crime scene.

      I’m not denying both scenarios pose extreme danger, but Police get paid to die in the line of duty.

      Police need to do their job.

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      • Gezza

         /  January 23, 2019

        Gary Knowles, the superintendent in charge & who handled media enquiries and reporters’ questions at the time: Total disaster. God knows it was an awful situation to have put on your plate but he came across as a bumbling incompetent, utterly useless. Wrong man for the job.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 23, 2019

          Who’d join the police if dying in the line of duty was a requirement ? They’re not paid to commit suicide.

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          • Corky

             /  January 23, 2019

            What are you talking about? Suicide?

            Dying in the line of duty is a reality police officers must accept if things come to the crunch. Unless I’m in an time warp, the green light has been given
            for a reentry.

            Honestly..do you have a comprehension problem?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 23, 2019

              ‘Police are paid to die in the line of duty. Police need to do their job.’

              Your words, and hardly ambiguous.

              I disagree that they should be expected to do things that are risk without reward and die for no gain. They are under no obligation to go into a mine if doing so is likely to mean that their lives are at risk. They are not paid to risk dying in this situation where the most to be gained is a bit of ash and possibly a few bone fragments.

              Why don’t you accept the word of the ‘world experts’ who don’t live here and haven’t been to Pike River and go in yourself ?

              What resemblance there is between a mine explosion and an armed robbery is known only to you.

  2. Corky

     /  January 23, 2019

    Listening to Mikey apply the the hurt to Phil Twyford over Kiwi Build. Damn, Phil is jiving and ducking like a socialist trying to get out of paying his union fees.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2019

      More grist?

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      • Corky

         /  January 23, 2019

        For an ever more dysfunctional mill.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 23, 2019

          I might try and chase down that interview when they post it on te ZB site.

          They’ve got to get rid of Phil. He’s a puerile schoolboy who’s been given an adult’s job. A poisoned chalice one as well – and as he was their housing spokesboy & hasn’t a fecking clue what he’s doing even now, when he’s (theoretically) the responsible Minister, he’s the one who stupidly poisoned his own chalice – or who let Grant or whoever came up with their policy do it.

          The problem is I don’t know who the hell they can give the job too. I’ve suggested Faafoi but only because a look at their line up didn’t produce any other likely candidate. Anybody else with any brains would be swallowing a dead rat and changing their policy to something achievable & hoping the hoots of derision would die down in time before the next election.

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        • Corky

           /  January 23, 2019

          Labour are lucky National is becoming more dysfunctional by the day. They may just get away with this train wreck as National did while in office.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2019

      Reposting from yesterday:

      Mefrostate / January 22, 2019
      New Zealand Initiative have produced a pretty decent wee report about KiwiBuild: Twyford’s Tar Baby:
      https://nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/kiwibuild-twyfords-tar-baby

      Key points:

      * Runs through the well-trodden criticisms of KiwiBuild: tiny impact on supply, not well-targeted at low-incomes, not providing social housing.
      * Argues that policy should focus on artificial constraints on supply (planning & consents) and enabling infrastructure provision. I agree entirely.
      * Government are seeking to tackle these issues with MHUD, a Housing & Urban Development Agency, and the Urban Growth Agenda, all of which focus on the right areas.

      I hope we’ll see drastic progress in this area, and wish it would even go as far as taking cities out of the RMA. And I hope Twyford will sit up and listen.

      All-in-all a tidy wee report from the more productive of the Wilkinson brothers. It’s amazing what one can achieve when they take a break from ranting about lefties.

      Full assessment & report – link
      https://nzinitiative.org.nz/dmsdocument/539-researchnote-kiwibuild-final-pdf

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 23, 2019

        Been too busy laying a new floor for a friend. We’ll see if giving good advice to a Government that doesn’t want it is more productive.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 23, 2019

          What a moron. Govt breaks the market and instead of fixing its stupidity decides to do what the market would be doing better if it could. Then discovers it can only do worse than the market is already doing so decides to do more of it. Lunatics in charge of the asylum.

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          • Blazer

             /  January 23, 2019

            your so called ‘market’…is a ..fantasy.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 23, 2019

              No it isn’t. We all live in it. Even idiots who think they are socialists.

      • Blazer

         /  January 23, 2019

        Business Roundtable with its new more ‘caring’ name.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  January 23, 2019

      Whos Mikey,is he that rich prick who goes on LOOOOOOOOONG holidays with his blended family…and dress like a teenager,that one

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 23, 2019

        It can’t be the same one, what teenager would dress like that ?

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    • Corky

       /  January 23, 2019

      Mikeys done the damage. Phil is in big trouble. Only 300 homes this year if I heard right.

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      • Pink David

         /  January 23, 2019

        And only a few of them will sell….

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      • Gezza

         /  January 23, 2019

        Item One – the headliner – on 1ewes at 6. Twyford admits hasn’t got a shit show of meeting their housing targets (or politer words to that general effect, but still putting the boot in).

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      • Gezza

         /  January 23, 2019

        With video
        Housing Minister Phil Twyford has admitted that “at this moment” KiwiBuild will fall 700 homes short of its first year target of 1000 homes.

        National MP Judith Collins says the number of KiwiBuild homes that have been contracted to be completed by the Government’s July deadline currently sits at 278.

        Mr Twyford’s figures aren’t far off.

        “Well, it’s closer to 300 now. It’s about 300, but we’re working as hard as we can to push those numbers up and get young families into affordable KiwiBuild homes,” he told 1 NEWS.

        Government to make changes on KiwiBuild
        2nd Video:
        Labour have conceded they’ll make some changes to KiwiBuild after coming into government promising to make life better for tenants and first-time buyers.
        More…
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/phil-twyford-admits-moment-kiwibuild-fall-700-homes-short-first-year-target-v1?variant=tb_v_1

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 23, 2019

          33 so far, I heard; only 99,967 to go. It’ll only take 333 years or so to do the 100,000.

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  3. Blazer

     /  January 23, 2019

    fall of 20%…funny that for a sector that only made up 3% of buyers!

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12194306

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 23, 2019

      Beat me to the draw Blazer … I was gonna say the same thing …

      Anyhow, Righties and the BTB (that’s Blue Tinge Brigade) media who were so adamant that foreigners were just a tiny percentage of house buyers won’t be able to blame the Labour-led government … Will they?

      ‘Auckland house sales slump 20 per cent as the foreign buyer ban hits the market’ – NZHeraldo …

      Oh … Yes they will ….

      Nothing to do with prices reaching their peak inside a bubble, number of sales leveling off and falling, and Kiwi first home buyers (and others) simply giving up on their dreams?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 23, 2019

      Lots happened in December including a major international stock market correction, US Govt and Brexit paralysis. We’ll see where it goes from here.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  January 23, 2019

        Yes, of course Alan, because we want house prices to go on and on rising at way above the inflation rate … and house sales to increase exponentially … Its a sign of economic growth …

        Actually, I didn’t see the BrightLine test first instituted by National mentioned in reasons for declining sales numbers …

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 23, 2019

          No, because we want the problems to be fixed instead of milking the taxpayer not to fix them.

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  4. Gezza

     /  January 23, 2019

    YNZ POSTER AND READER SURVEY

    Would you buy a used car off Tova O’Brien ?

    Yes – uptick
    No – downtick

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    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2019

      If it needed major electrical work and didn’t tell you.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 23, 2019

        Hell, G, you know I never downtick. Actually I might buy one from her because she’s probably too silly to know what it is worth. What I wouldn’t buy from her is one of her second-hand ideas.

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    • Blazer

       /  January 23, 2019

      Shipley still at Genesis?….how did she get on with the Mainzeal case?

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    Jacinda Ardern our PM, one you can be proud of is doing her best for our country overseas….and as a measure of her success over on a nearby rightwing blog the ferals there are in melt down mode, SLAG instead of SLG is the rallying call with most insults of our pm childish and again attacking her baby, no rape hopes this time and no accusations of drug taking, remember these ferals say they are management and are business owners,NO WONDER NZ WAS STUFFED UNDER NATIONAL with slave wages

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    Struggling with ZB, there was a stabbing in Wanganui yesterday but there was a stabbing in Funganui which must be upriver,don’t buy in Wanganui as 2 stabbings,one in Wanganui and one in Funganui is scary

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 23, 2019

      I grew up in WANGANUI (I was born there) not this FUNGANUI, wherever that is.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    !8 for 2,has the slack caps god turned up for a night of misery, i think so, the slack caps as reliable as Simon Bridges, before hes shafted for being useless, wheres those nasty females, Collins and CHEATING Bennett, ask most wifes

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    The SLACKCAPS appeared terrified of the INDIANS their gelled hair and their whiskers and sunnies show up how useless the SLACK CAPS are,no backbone there ,THEY VOTE NATIONAL,useless

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    The slackcaps are intimidated 43/2 after 13 overs they are terrified well at least this agility weekend i will not worry about my gelled head

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    29 for 3 after 18 overs, sounds like Simon Bridges is cleaning up after JAMIE LEE ROSS and another slackcap whimp out for76-4…the slackcaps are paid to turn up

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    95/4 and someone actually had the guts to hit a ball, are these useless arseholes the best NEW ZEALAND can produce,do you have to be gay or something to represent NEW ZEALAND

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    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2019

      6 nails too many for breakfast by the look of it Lurchy. Pull back from the brink.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  January 23, 2019

        Bored watching failure Gezza, its only PROFESSIONAL cricket so im off to watch the”last kingdom” on Netflix but a track for those who love failure right Gezza
        https://youtu.be/ikGyZh0VbPQ, embrace cricket failure

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    107/5 the slackcaps are playing like how the Sir Keys GOVT ran the country…SIGH

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  13. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2019

    The news said a WOWFULL batting performance, just how NEW ZEALAND was run under Sir Key who ran away as it was JUST TO HARD FOR THE WHIMP SIR KEY and ANZ offered more money to make much more money FOR AUSTRALIA

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