Police investigation into MP ‘inciting suicide’ claim

The Police have confirmed they are investigating an allegation that an unnamed MP attempted to incite Jami-Lee Ross to commit suicide in a text message.

“We are not in a position to discuss specifics of the investigation while it is still ongoing.”

Ross said it was not right to comment on an active police investigation – but he has already commented on it. NZ Herald:

Police are also not commenting on a complaint made over a text message sent to Ross by his former lover, a fellow National MP.

In his statement, Ross said of the woman: “There must have been a lot of personal stress in her life for her to end up sending me a late-night text message inciting me to commit suicide”.

Ross told Newshub yesterday that a complaint had been made to police about the text. It was not sent by him but he was co-operating with the investigation.

Ross said today it was not right to comment on an active police investigation.

After he has commented on it.

The text stated “You deserve to die” and he is claiming that incited him to commit suicide, but I think that is contestable. And he received the text two months before his unravelling and claimed attempt at suicide or suicidal feelings.

Also “It was not sent by him but he was co-operating with the investigation” appears carefully couched language. It doesn’t rule out someone making a complaint to the police on his behalf, or with his knowledge and approval.

Ross appears to be duplicitous on all this to me. He contradicts some of what he says with other things he says, and with his actions.

He certainly seems intent on some sort of revenge against Simon Bridges, and also against the MOP he had a relationship with for several years, and is using his newsworthiness as an off-the-rails MP through the media to do this. I am quite suspicious of his motives – and the motives of others who may be involved in his agenda.

78 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  24th January 2019

    Unfortunately Ross seems unable to understand why someone might be driven to send such an email, I note that quite a number of women were prepared to speak out about the way he treated them, and he blames “politics ” for his marriage breakdown.
    It would seem he just doesn’t get who is the real problem here, it all about him.
    Pathetic really.

    • Duker

       /  24th January 2019

      Well let HER speak – so you dont have to speak for her.

      she knew he was having treatment for depression and he may have confided her -during their relationship- that he previously had ‘suicide ideation’
      Does that still make it all his fault.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  24th January 2019

        Ideation ?

        • Gezza

           /  24th January 2019

          “Suicidal ideation” is a common official phrase in the psychology / pscyhiatry fields of practice when referring to people who themselves mention, or are by reported by others as having expressed, thoughts about committing suicide.

          • Gezza

             /  24th January 2019

            *psychiatry

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th January 2019

            What a clumsy neologism. It’s impossible to imagine actually saying it.

            How long does it take to say that X has/had suicidal thoughts ? Two more syllables, forsooth,

            • Gezza

               /  24th January 2019

              Don’t take it out on me. Take it up with the Medical profession.

      • Loki

         /  24th January 2019

        More Slater lies and nonsense

    • Amadeus

       /  24th January 2019

      Not to mention she sent the text a long time before he was on the train tracks. Also on receiving his “you get your wish” she contacted authorities to help him. A very weak case at best I doubt the Police will do a damn thing as they shouldn’t.

      • Duker

         /  24th January 2019

        he was under the care of a psychiatrist long before he ‘was on the train tracks’
        The police should know its a slam dunk case of what the harmful digital comms act was all about.

        A person having mental health issues- check
        The message was clear about inciting suicide .-check

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th January 2019

          Rubbish. It wasn’t about inciting suicide, it was telling him he deserved to be shot. As he probably did.

          • Duker

             /  24th January 2019

            Speaking for her again ?

            or is that the special service national party provides talking points for social media or talkback.

            As I recall, suicide by gun is still common, especially for men

          • Mother

             /  24th January 2019

            This is a disgusting comment. You should be ashamed. PG should not be allowing this.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th January 2019

              How can you judge whether it is disgusting without knowing what Ross did to provoke it? He did plenty of disgusting things.

            • Mother

               /  24th January 2019

              I was referring to your statement that someone probably deserved to be shot. That is disgusting.

              No one deserves to die, unless all of us deserve to die.

            • Gezza

               /  24th January 2019

              We must do. We all seem to eventually. Faulty design.

  2. Duker

     /  24th January 2019

    “claiming that incited him to commit suicide, but I think that is contestable”
    There is nothing contestable about that, he was on the face of it at the time designed to do so.

    What else does ‘You deserve to die’ mean. There is no possible other meaning.
    Not liking Ross as a person doesnt change the meaning.
    Dont forget he was claiming mental health issues ( unspecified but could be depression) at the time of the leak and I presume that could have been for some time earlier.
    So A person who is being treated for depression AT THE TIME gets a txt saying You deserve to Die .
    Totally an offence under harmful Digital Communications Act.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th January 2019

      It’s a positive statement. At least the undeserving jerk deserved one thing.

      • Duker

         /  24th January 2019

        hehehe, nationals own legislation.
        ‘“Since coming into force the Act has resulted in: 132 criminal charges filed; 77 criminal cases finalised; 50 convictions and sentences; 4 diversions completed; 3 dismissals;1 discharge without conviction.” Amy Adams , the Minister who was in charge when it was passed.” tip Oldlaker

  3. artcroft

     /  24th January 2019

    I agree. Ross is still all about Ross and all about revenge. A very nasty person.

    • Duker

       /  24th January 2019

      And the women , some you now work in Bridges parliament office, who were all orchestrated by the national party to tell their story to a journalist about Bridges wasnt revenge on the ‘limo leak’
      Maurice Williamson for a long time was in conflict over Bill English, who finally got his revenge when he was sacked. McCully had his personal vendettas all the years he was in national
      Chris Bishop and Maggie Barry supported Bridges rival Amy Adams, they were both demoted way down the rankings – REVENGE !

  4. FarmerPete

     /  24th January 2019

    Every adult must have told someone else to ‘drop dead’ at some stage. That doesn’t mean they literally wanted that to happen. Why don’t we just wait to see how this plays out?

    • Blazer

       /  24th January 2019

      Ross should have told her to…’get fucked’!😂

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  24th January 2019

        Farmer, even if we didn’t say it directly to the person, I am sure that most of us have said it sotto voce.

        • Gezza

           /  24th January 2019

          Nope. I never do. Although, as I’m not averse to suggesting from time to time that some people need to be taken out the back and shot, while always said tongue-in-cheek, sadly for me I just can’t claim the moral high ground here. :/

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th January 2019

            I can’t either, alas. I have only said it under extreme provocation, but that doesn’t make it all right.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  24th January 2019

            Still a bit of room on my fence if you need it, Sir Gerald. Hang up the carcass as a warning to others.

      • Farmerpete

         /  24th January 2019

        My understanding is that she did!

  5. Mother

     /  24th January 2019

    I see nothing revengeful (on the face of it) about a man needing people to be held accountable. Mr Ross was not the only wrongdoer in the long running saga.

    The women involved had emotional invested interests to dump ugly on Mr Ross. It is they who are displaying narcissistic tendencies – if you consider the fact that Mr Ross is the only one who has bared himself with apologies.

    The cynical attitudes of spectators to the acknowledgement of sin, coupled with an admission of ill mental health, by one lone man, says a lot about our collective attitude toward mental health (and living in community) in general.

    The fact that only Mr Ross has apologised, yet the harsh attitudes are mostly directed at him, says a lot about our willingness to let governmental leaders off the hook morally.

    Mr Ross is displaying greater resilience than all the cowards who are hiding, using his difficult situation to further their sense of self righteousness and importance.

    “A very nasty person”? If you knew the back stories of the women involved and the motives of the leaders, would you be able to declare that the whole lot are ‘very nasty people’?

    It’s easier to dump on one person isn’t it? Because if you had to admit that the crowd is nasty, it might make you feel lonely – and then how would your own mental health suffer?

    Give Mr Ross a break. If you can’t bear him having a good income while obviously being such a fallible human, take your concerns about his actual past performance as an MP to the appropriate authority.

    • Gerrit

       /  24th January 2019

      Mother;

      Ross will get his break when he resigns from parliament and gets back into “civy” street to enjoy his pricvacy. Until then he is a public person in a public forum, open to public ridicule and derision (he will have a few supporters like yourself)

      All he is doing is pandering to himself to get to the end of the parliamentary term and collect his pension.

      A “real” contrite person would have resigned from parliament and made it his number one priority to mend the bridge with his wife.

      How the heck anyone can be contrite enough after a 3 year long affair with one woman and a quick fling with another, to even think about mending that bridge is beyond me. My wife would not just have changed the locks but had me in the divorce in court real quick.

      Mother, Ross is the one displaying narcissistic tendencies, not those who ask him “WTF” you doing? His temerity to think all will be fine after what he has done to others (and to himself) by a simple “apology” is childlike and dysfunctional thinking.

      • Mother

         /  24th January 2019

        Perhaps he sincerely wishes to serve. I understand he was a good MP for ten years.

        If Mr Ross should resign (and I agree, he should) then so should the leaders for starting the saga and so should the adulterous women.

        I cannot comprehend how any intelligent and compassionate woman could commit adultery with a man from another family. What were they thinking??? And then we all have to suffer these same ‘intelligent and compassionate’ women making our laws.

        If the cry is that the one person who has openly admitted wrong doing resigns, then all who were involved in the saga should resign.

        As for Mr Ross’ motives – it is nasty to presume out loud.

        I’m not his supporter. I’m just despise the kicking a man when he’s down. And you don’t know whether or not he has been able to reconcile with his wife.

        And how else can an apology sound other than simple and child-like? There is simply no other genuine way! It is the starting place of turning a corner from dysfunctional to right thinking with actions.

        • Gerrit

           /  24th January 2019

          Read my post properly.

          “His temerity to think all will be fine after what he has done to others (and to himself) by a simple “apology” is childlike and dysfunctional thinking.”

          I did not say his apology was simple and childlike.

          I said TO apologise in the manner he did without at least some form of explanation why, with corresponding actions off contriteness or plesa for forgiveness, is simple and child like.

          His weasel meaning “apology” appears more like he is sorry he got caught, not sorry for his actions.

          Then to expect the apology to be excepted without rancor or question, from those offended by his actions, does not show empathy to the suffering he had caused.

          He still blames the mental episode on others when the fact is he bought the despair, that led to inability to cope, onto himself.

          He not only strayed from the family hearth but also envied the higher positions Bridges and Bennett had gained in the National party. Ross had risen to his level of incompetence in the National party parliamentary scheme of things and was never going to reach what his ego had planned his position to be within the party. His “unfinished business” quote in the “apology” in regards Bridges and Bennett shows how shallow his “apology” is.

          His first action should have been to front up to his shortcomings and who his advisors were in the lead up to his mental breakdown. Advisors who have faded into the oblivion once their golden boy crumbled at the first hurdle.

          • Mother

             /  25th January 2019

            I agree with you that his apology does not go far enough, but Mr Ross was under leadership therefore he behaved atrociously because that’s how they behave and his apology is lacking because his leaders’ accountability is lax.

            You cannot know his motives. Only he knows. He loved the National Party, perhaps too much.

            I think that Mr Ross’ dysfunctional thinking is presenting as a willingness to take too much blame. I agree that his advisors should be exposed. He doesn’t know anything other than politics. I think they have used him and are poor friends.

            I wish they would all step down. It’s the only honourable thing to do.

            If Mr Ross believes he has value to offer NZ politics he will need better advisors and a complete break from all who have failed him.

            • Gerrit

               /  25th January 2019

              Stop projecting Ross’s actions as being the result of others (his leaders?) lax actions.

              What a cop out.

              There is only one person responsible for Ross’s actions and that is Ross himself.

              He allowed a 3 year affair to flourish without taking responsibility for himself, and his family, for the long term consequences (Same for Dowie but she is responsible for her actions only).

              He rose to his level on incompetence and would not heed the signs that said so (not getting promoted higher). He was in the inner National party parliamentary leadership group but HIS actions made the position within that, untenable. Who the heck records their verbal conversations with fellow leaders? Only someone being led by the nose from ill intended advisers. The fact he was led by the nose shows his lack of leadership ability. No leadership smarts at all.

              Ross has no value in NZ politics anymore, not because of his mental breakdown (Nick Smith fronted honestly and made a comeback) but his inability to take responsibility for his actions.

              I would be surprised if he got any position of responsibility, in any organisation, with future employment.

              Willingness to take too much of the blame?

              What blame?

              He is totally responsible for his own actions, not a martyr like he is portraying himself. Playing the “oh poor me” card is weak.

  6. Pickled Possum

     /  24th January 2019

    The guy has fragile mental sensibilities … he said so him self. Anything he says now is not worth the ink … cos it will be a different song sooner or later …. why let a lying dishonest little shit take you round his world. Better things to do. Like keeping the farken chickens out of the veggie garden.

    • Duker

       /  24th January 2019

      if its so ‘unimportant’ why eevn bother commenting – oh thats right . The national party behind the scenes is telling its ‘nomenklatura’ to pile in online and talkback

      • Gezza

         /  24th January 2019

        Fuxake. If you think Possum’s a National ‘nomenklatura’ you haven’t been reading this blog for very long before joining the happy throng.

    • Blazer

       /  24th January 2019

      vegetarian chickens …sounds tasty…and less prep!

  7. oldlaker

     /  24th January 2019

    In 2017, Amy Adams, as Minister of Justice, said, in bragging about the law’s success: “The Harmful Digital Communications Act made it illegal to send messages and post material online that deliberately causes a victim serious emotional distress.
    “The law is also protecting those most vulnerable to online abuse by clamping down on bullies who encourage their victims to commit suicide, regardless of whether or not the victim attempts or is successful in taking their life.”
    The married National MP was clearly intending to cause Ross serious emotional distress and clearly recommended he should die. If that doesn’t fall under the HDCA, it’s hard to imagine what would.
    I think it’s an extremely dumb law but it was National’s law, and every member of the caucus voted for it… including Ross’s lover.
    Adams went on to crow about its success, given the number of charges and convictions, stating: “Since coming into force the Act has resulted in: 132 criminal charges filed; 77 criminal cases finalised; 50 convictions and sentences; 4 diversions completed; 3 dismissals;1 discharge without conviction.”
    Should we expect a by-election in a true-blue electorate in the South Island in the near future?

    • Gezza

       /  24th January 2019

      Wasn’t that aimed at material posted on the internet?

      Wasn’t this a text?

      Have you seen any other texts, like – what it might have been in reply to? JLR has form for setting someone up on a secretly recorded phone call, with apparent intent to provoke them into illegal behaviour.

      • Gezza

         /  24th January 2019

        The Harmful Digital Communications Act made it illegal to send messages … that deliberately causes a victim serious emotional distress

        Oh sorry, I just noticed that, but my other points remain valid. I’m sure the police will exercise sound judge when they are aware of and have seen the full context of text messages between these two parties. Given the time gap between when that small piece of text exchange released was sent, and the claims of emotional harm, I am suspicious the two are actually unrelated incidents – in fact I’m highly dubious about the claimed mental breakdown itself.

        No doubt a good long rest and then doing something different for a living somewhere else will be good for JLR (and who knows, possibly Sarah too?) after he inevitably exits Parliament, where he obviously doesn’t belong anyway as he seems to have made quite a nuisance of himself there.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th January 2019

          I spend some effort and time trying to cause Lefties serious emotional distress so they will see the many errors of their ways and repent and improve their thinking. I await my prosecution with interest.

  8. Blazer

     /  24th January 2019

    can’t fathom how the Police even have time to deal with these ‘breaches’….hardly got the time to deal with burgs and other quite serious matters.

    • Duker

       /  24th January 2019

      as Oldlaker put it
      ““Since coming into force the Act has resulted in: 132 criminal charges filed; 77 criminal cases finalised; 50 convictions and sentences; 4 diversions completed; 3 dismissals;1 discharge without conviction.” Amy Adams , the Minister who was in charge when it was passed.

      It should especially apply to lawyers who voted for the legislation in parliament. n’est pas?

  9. oldlaker

     /  24th January 2019

    Gezza… the way JLTR recounts the sequence is that after he received the text (around August, I think) he fell into some sort of depression which continued to spiral downwards until his suicide attempt. I don’t think anyone should be prosecuted for sending a text or email unless it contains a threat to do actual violence to someone else but unfortunately that’s not the law we have.
    People are going to be outraged if the police make an exception for her. I suspect their best course would to charge her and let a court decide. Otherwise, if you start looking at mitigating factors such as context, you are quickly back to the defence of provocation (and we abandoned that after the Clayton Weatherston case).
    It is also clear that if a male had sent such an abusive text there would be no sympathy whatsoever for him.

    • Gezza

       /  24th January 2019

      The first thing the police have to do is convince a crown prosecutor there is sufficient evidence a chargeable offence has actually been committed, and that means establishing the full circumstances, before deciding whether to charge a party. That’s why there’ve been no charges yet in relation to JLR’s allegations of illegal donation practices by National.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th January 2019

      If I have to choose between “people being outraged” and ludicrous injustice I’ll choose the former. Especiallyif the outraged are the perennially outraged loony Left somehow finding themselves rooting for a rightwing rooting jerk.

  10. oldlaker

     /  24th January 2019

    Alan… Do you mean you’re rooting for the law not to apply to a rightwing rooting female MP who is married and who voted for the legislation she probably will be charged under? Tell me more. I’m intrigued.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th January 2019

      I don’t think stupid law should apply to anyone nor should any law be applied stupidly to anyone. Do you?

      • oldlaker

         /  24th January 2019

        I think if I voted for a stupid law — as the married MP did — it would be honourable to accept that I might be charged under it and punished accordingly if found guilty. Obviously the woman in question thought it should apply to other people (otherwise why would she vote for it?) and probably didn’t guess she might fall foul of her own stupid law. I’d be very happy for the law to be repealed and perhaps her plight might persuade people that it is, indeed, a stupid law.

        • Was they vote her own choice or was it a party vote?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th January 2019

          It’s very unlikely her political opponents would revise the potentially stupid law out of sympathy for her. It is possible the courts might set a high bar to allow it to override free speech rights.

    • Gezza

       /  24th January 2019

      Are you suggesting consenting people of legal age should be charged under the law for rooting?

      • Gezza

         /  24th January 2019

        This will come as a servere blow to the prostitutes collective.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th January 2019

          Why? Are you worried?

          • Gezza

             /  24th January 2019

            Only about that mis-spelling of severe.

            • Gezza

               /  24th January 2019

              Do you think anybody will notice it or have I got away with it? o_O

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th January 2019

              They’ll be too busy laughing about your missing apostrophe.

            • Gezza

               /  24th January 2019

              Good. Because whether one is needed or not is matter of debate, depending on whether one thinks they possess the collective or not. I think it’s a collective of working girls and doesn’t need one as used by me above.

            • Gezza

               /  24th January 2019

              Which of course means that I win again.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th January 2019

              Nah, needed capitals for that excuse. I win again.

            • Gezza

               /  24th January 2019

              Incorrect. In any case, I have already ruled on the issue, Sir Alan. Your appeal is therefore dismissed as out of time.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th January 2019

              The only case that matters is upper case and you lost again.

  11. Tipene

     /  24th January 2019

    Sarah Dowie now needs to front-foot this.

    Continuing to hide is just cowardice on her part.

    She wants gender equality? Then stand up and own up like a man.

    • Gezza

       /  24th January 2019

      Why should she want to be like a stupid man?

      • Mother

         /  24th January 2019

        I would like men to be clever like women, but since they’re not and never could be, I’ll settle for respect.

        And yes, I would like Sarah to stand up like a man. She must realise that her leaders created the saga. If she can’t face up, she will always have a guilty conscience.

        The rest of us could take the stance – except by the grace of God go I.

        When people admit wrongdoing it actually should make the uninvolved feel humble. If not, you’re a loser.

        If Sarah faces up, stands up and admits her wrong, my estimation of her will rise like it has for Mr Ross.

        As for SB and PB….

        And I’m not a lefty!

        • Gezza

           /  24th January 2019

          The correct fix for this problem is the 2020 election.

  12. Tipene

     /  25th January 2019

    The “come-from-behind” MSM have finally done the decent thing and named her:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12195642

    • Gezza

       /  25th January 2019

      Be the first time in NZ history the whole nz public knew before the msm.

      Hang on, I’ll have a look 😐

      • Gezza

         /  25th January 2019

        Feel quite sorry for the poor young thing. She used to look prettier before she hooked up with him. She’ll be ok. Maybe a few of the blue rinse brigade might get sniffy about her “morals” but they’ll still probably hold their noses & vote for her again.

        He’s on a hiding to nowhere with this one, I reckon.

  13. Chuck Bird

     /  25th January 2019

    I read on KB that JLR had an affair with jounalist who appearantly now works RNZ. I would like to see journalist who have affairs named and then naming Sarah Dowie on a very flimsy excuse.

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