What border crisis?

Donald Trump claims there is a border crisis, an immigration crisis, a crime crisis. He is holding out on a partial government shut down to get funding to build a wall – which ironically is hampering border security.

Is there a crisis? Or is the US-Mexico border more secure than it ever has been?

Fox News: Trump insists that a ‘border crisis’ is ravaging America – Here’s what numbers tell us

What’s missing from all of this wall talk, though, is the reality of the “border crisis” that President Donald Trump insists is ravaging our nation.

Border crossings by immigrants without visas have occurred for decades, and for a long time, border crossers were treated pretty loosely by a system that knew America was a better landing place for many people from other parts of the world – particularly for our neighbors to the south.

That ended in the post-9/11 world. By 2010, comparatively few immigrants were entering the U.S. without inspection. Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama were all enforcement-minded on immigration. President Clinton signed the most draconian immigration laws of the modern era. And President Obama was so tough on immigration that he became known as the “deporter-in-chief.”

Data is a stubborn thing. And today, the government’s own data isn’t working in favor of the Trump administration. According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s 2017 Border Security Report, illegal border apprehensions have fallen 90 percent since the year 2000. The border has never been more secure than it is now.

This begs the question of whether we need to spend $5 billion building a wall. Historically speaking, walls have never really kept out “invading hordes.” Our current legal system and procedures are doing an effective job, according to the numbers.

The figures are clear. The numbers of illegal immigrants entering the country have dropped significantly in the last 10 years while the numbers of those overstaying their visas have risen. However, overstays only represented about 1 percent of those who lawfully travelled to the United States in 2017.

It’s not our borders that are the problem. They are statistically more secure than they have ever been.

Trump is the real problem.

51 Comments

  1. peddiebill

     /  24th January 2019

    While that is true, Mr Trump has painted himself into a corner and appears to lack the ability to admit he was wrong and reopen the Government. Until he finds a formula to back-down while saving some face the US faces some grim times ahead.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  24th January 2019

      Especially the poor mugs who are working without pay and who were not consulted,

      Surely this is illegal as well as immoral.

  2. David

     /  24th January 2019

    It was a campaign promise why is it a problem giving the people what they want. How come Obama, Bush, Clinton, Schumer, Pelosi….all of them have voted for wall funding and all of them have built walls ?
    Pelosi is the problem now and she is boxed in from her far left flank.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  24th January 2019

      Don’t forget the popular vote actually rejected another brick in the wall. Now Fox admit there is no border crisis, looks to me more like it is Trump boxed in the corner.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  24th January 2019

        Oh don’t worry about David. He’s Kellyanning us with his ‘alternative facts’.

        The reality is that if King Moron caves, then he loses support from the paleoconservatives and the right-wing media … and Pelosi wins bigly.

        And if King Moron doesn’t cave then he continues bleeding support from the moderates and his white non-college supporters … and Pelosi wins bigly.

        Hannity, Limbaugh, and Coulter run trump and they’ve forced him into a trap of his own making.

    • Griff.

       /  24th January 2019

      Trump had two years with the GOP holding the house and the senate.
      He could not get funding then.
      The Democrats are not beholden to trumps minority voter base they answer to those that voted for them.
      Trump has shown he is willing to sacrifice a functioning goverment in an effort to get his own way.
      Polling suggests that idea is not supported by a majority of the USA voters.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  24th January 2019

        Good point if the wall funding was so critical to the security of the US why wasn’t it done straight away.

      • David

         /  24th January 2019

        You need 60 votes, daft but thats why Obama was deadset useless when he had control of all 3 branches. I think they all relish the conflict and dodging having to govern.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  24th January 2019

    Build the wall and crime will fall
    but Trump you said Mexico would pay for it…all.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  24th January 2019

      Trump said Mexico would be its banker.
      Mexico said that Trump is a wanker.

  4. FarmerPete

     /  24th January 2019

    Sorry Pete this article you were quoting is tripe! Any one who can read can access the data online and the contentions made in this piece you quote are not sustainable.

  5. MrT just needs to ‘get over himself’; THE Legend in his own mind !
    Amazing, Fantastic, Tremendous, Fabulous… BEST EVER; just because he said so !!

    One thing is clear, he is hardly ‘making America great… again’.. more like ‘Welcome to Super-Ts Fantasy Island’

    • btw: Cannabis is now legal in Canada.. when will he start talking about building a wall on the Northern border to keep the Canadian DRUG smugglers & Terrorists out !? :/ 😀

      FORTRESS USA !!!

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  24th January 2019

      Over himself and out of himself.

      He’s so far up himself that every time he farts, he parts his hair.

  6. Joe Bloggs

     /  24th January 2019

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th January 2019

    What border crisis? Presumably the one the Dems have just offered to spend $5.7b on so long as Trump doesn’t build his wall with it.

    • Corky

       /  24th January 2019

      Like shooting fish in a barrel. Show some mercy, Alan.👌

    • Gezza

       /  24th January 2019

      What’s this about, Sir Alan ? Do you got a link?

      You possibly have completely misunderstood what this funding is actually for.

        • Gezza

           /  24th January 2019

          Clyburn, at a news conference, said the $5.7 billion that the House could consider would be used to fund more drones, X-rays, sensors and border patrol agents but could not be used to build Trump’s wall.

          Seems more sensible than a wall given what PG says in post. Early report though, Sir Alan. That’s a very once-over, 2nd hand, obvious quick summary which may not explain exactly what else is included in this package.

          Possibly it also includes other provisions for the dreamers etc?

          Given your rampant Trumpism, I can understand how you got all excited – but best to wait for more detail before you cackle like a goony bird and crawl buck up Prez Trump’s wotsit, perhaps?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th January 2019

          I already won again.

          • Gezza

             /  24th January 2019

            Tosh and nonsense. I accept your abject surrender, Sir Alan.

            • Gezza

               /  24th January 2019

              You’ve rushed to judgement, imo, Sir Alan. I prefer to wait until all the relevant evidence of what this package covers is available. Then see what’s what. Much better approach.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  24th January 2019

          Oh hello there, our very own Huckabee Sanders has woken up and gaslighted reality… again.

          The Dems have been clear and consistent: improve border security by
          1. fixing the immigration court system and
          2. beefing-up ports of entry
          They’ve also been clear and consistent: trump’s wall has been thoroughly discredited as unnecessary.

          The longer this shut-down continues, the better Pelosi looks

          Enjoy all that winning.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th January 2019

            The workers are in an appalling position. I wonder that Amnesty hasn’t stepped in. They’re slave labour in all but name.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th January 2019

              They can resign and get a new job so are not slaves, just working for a crap employer by their own choice.

  8. David in aus

     /  24th January 2019

    America’s immigration issue is not a physical barrier but inability to remove incentives migrating illegally. 10 million illegal immigrants is substantial problem, chronic but an acute issue.

    Child born in the US- automatic citizenship.
    Free healthcare for emergencies, and including dialysis.
    Free kids education.
    Lack of prosecution for employers of illegal immigrants.

    In most Western countries, including NZ, they have removed these incentives but there is a constituency in the US ( Demcrats) that refuse to see reason.

    • David in aus

       /  24th January 2019

      Should be “chronic but not an acute”

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  24th January 2019

        I would be surprised if they had free health care and education.

        • David in Aus

           /  24th January 2019

          Free education: for up to University, Schools are not allowed to enquire about immigration status.

          “In a landmark judgment, Plyler v. Doe, the Supreme Court decided that the Equal Protections Clause requires local school districts to ensure that all children in the United States have access to K-12 education. Plyler v. Doe, however, does not apply to higher education.” http://theconversation.com/heres-how-undocumented-students-are-able-to-enroll-at-american-universities-69269

          Healthcare: treatment must be given to anyone presenting to Emergency Departments. Technically, it is not free, but how to do reclaim the money? In reality, illegal immigrants have levels of healthcare that they do not have access to in their home country.
          Dialysis is considered an emergency. Although, like Trump’s wall, it is an issue that can go for years until death. However, it is considered an emergency, because they will die without it.

          America subsidizes healthcare for illegal immigrants, it costs up to 18 billions dollars a year.
          http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#2537de9012c4

          5 billion dollars for the wall is chump change relative to the overall costs; the fight is over ideology.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th January 2019

            Chump change ? I know what it is, but not why it’s called that, it’s not an expression that one often hears non-Americans use.

            The article doesn’t claim that all illegal immigrants are Mexican, and I have heard that the vast majority are overstayers from many countries.

            It’s hard to believe that the ones who breach the Mexican border are so many that they cost that.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  24th January 2019

            Your fighting over ideology while for the immigrants/refugees wanting to get to the US the fight is about more mundane issues such as a food and shelter.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th January 2019

              Marvellous what capitalism provides, isn’t it, Patz?

  9. sorethumb

     /  24th January 2019

    It may not have been the wall per se that people voted for trump but the fact that Whites are worried about loosing their place . Trump’s rhetoric on the wall signalled support
    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/2016-09/Its_Nativism_Explaining_the_Drivers_of_Trumps_Popular_Support.pdf

    • sorethumb

       /  24th January 2019

      Community over cosmopolitanism.
      The people of New Zealand have already opted for zero population growth by limiting family size to an average of 2.1 children. That intuitive decision of the people to balance human reproduction with the internal resources of the country is being contradicted by the government determining unilaterally to mount a pro-active immigration policy. Their consent is manufactured by silencing critics with the argument that skilled and entrepreneurial migrants will promote economic growth and create jobs. Throughout the three years that this mantra was being recited, there were continuous redundancies in forestry, mining, television, railways, freezing works and telecom-munications. Despite that evidence, journalists used this well-rehearsed government mantra as a riposte against critics of immigration. If they persist, then their opposition is construed as racially motivated since over 50 percent of migrants are visibly Asian.
      http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc0402/article_316.shtml

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