Should New Zealand also be called Aotearoa?

Comment from PartisanZ:


‘Should New Zealand also be called Aotearoa? Petition launched to add to country’s official name’ -NZHerald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12198014

“The Facebook post has received controversial comments, including how the referendum requested is similar to the flag change … Another questioned is if the petition was made to cause racial division.”

There’s definitely a showing on the FaceBook page from ‘The Right Brigade’ but the Herald overplays controversial and ascerbic comments in a classic piece of journalistic polarization.

Of course it should be called Aotearoa New Zealand …


Or should it be called Aotearoa instead of New Zealand?

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  1. NOEL

     /  January 30, 2019

    Aotearoa New Zealand.
    When you reply to hello in Asia with Kia Ora often the reply is “oh Kiwi”.
    Might take some time before Aotearoa alone is recognised.

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    • Ray

       /  January 30, 2019

      There is a huge plus that no one has mentioned but one that will have positive effect on everyone who watches the Olympic Games opening ceremony ( that must be 80%+ of the population ).
      And of course that is Aotearoa occurs much earlier in the alphabet, second out after Afghanistan instead of way down the back at 135 out of 200+.
      Got to be a winner!

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      • seer

         /  January 30, 2019

        And most importantly it is ahead of Australia.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 30, 2019

          Yep … Hey … We could call it ‘A1 Aotearoa New Zealand Real Estate Ltd’ and be ‘Right’ in front!

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          • Ray

             /  January 30, 2019

            Like your thinking Parti but remember we are NZers and not all of us went to Christ College, “after you Claude ” is our motto.

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  2. Gezza

     /  January 30, 2019

    YNZ POSTER & READER SURVEY

    If I start a petition for New Zealand to just be called Kiwiland would you sign it?

    Yes – uptick
    What are you, a bloody moron? No no no a thousand times no – downtick

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 30, 2019

      It’s not so much a question of whether people will uptick ‘Kiwiland’ but of who they are if they do! And what organizations they belong to …

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      • Gezza

         /  January 30, 2019

        Did you just call me a moron 😡

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        • Mother

           /  January 30, 2019

          I’ve thought about this question a lot. Clearly – what’s in a name? Heaps. It’s our identity. I am in favour of taking this question very seriously. I think it’s a great question and should be dealt with carefully and completely, as often as the question is genuinely brought up.

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          • Blazer

             /  January 30, 2019

            I thought Godzone or Godsown.

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          • Gezza

             /  January 30, 2019

            Yes, my surveys a bit tongue in cheek but I do take this question seriously, it will keep coming up, and my objections are that it’s too long a name, that Aoteaora will get wincingly mispronounced too often by English-speaking foreigners as Ay oh tee ah rower, that Zealand is a misspelling of Zeeland anyway, and that if we wanted to reflect Te Tiriti we could do better to come up with a name that is a blend of a Maori word and an English word – instead of Aotearoa New Zealand.

            I don’t think my idea will have a lot of support but I think it makes a lot of sense.

            We are known as Kiwis (with a capital K, so not the bird) overseas nearly everywhere and have been for decades. I like it.

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            • seer

               /  January 30, 2019

              apropos “Ay oh tee ah rower”

            • Gezza

               /  January 30, 2019

              Gorgeous song though. Always loved it.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              The “leaky boat” analogy is very apt …

            • Gezza

               /  January 30, 2019

              Why is that?

            • Gezza

               /  January 30, 2019

              No need to answer if it was just a stupid remark.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              A cunning ploy Gezza … If you haven’t joined already, The Right Brigade could certainly use your ‘puersuasion’* skills …

              I see New Zealand as a “leaky boat” in numerous ways, especially the ‘cultivated’ loss of Maori land, language, taonga, tikanga [which could inform our governance] and history …

              Anecdotally I’ve heard that in Rarotonga you can only ever lease land off ‘the natives’. This system was apparently imposed after a Britisher saw what was happening in early colonial ‘New Zealand’ …

              The same probably ‘leaky boat’ analogy probably applies to Pakeha lifestyle and history post-Rogerednomics … along with tossing the baby …

              I wonder if people learn about the great class-struggles in this country, the near civil war of 1913, and the likes of Michael Joseph Savage and First Labour?

              * puersuasion = puerile persuasion = new word #207

            • Gezza

               /  January 30, 2019

              I don’t think you think this through enough. You may need to fast forward into the 21st century and then look around the world and then have another look at Kiwiland here. See where you think is the best place to live. The issues we have we work through well in this country. We recognise the rights of minorities – including the right for those of a mind to to moan about anything.

              And we have a system that is capable of change when the mood of the people is right. And the ability to express dissent without getting thrown into prison or exiled or murdered in one of our consulates overseas. Our women don’t have to be covered up from head to foot and everybody can drive cars, be managers, be surgeons, lawyers, millionaires – whatever they like. We have equality of opportunity and freedom here. This is a bloody lucky country – except for volcanos and earthquakes.

      • Gezza

         /  January 30, 2019

        Well, I would call it that, and I don’t belong to any organisation. And couldn’t the same be said of people who signed a petition to call it Aoteraroa New Zealand officially.

        It’s just too long a name Parti. Lets come up with a new one altogether.

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        • Mother

           /  January 30, 2019

          I like ‘Aotearoa’ officially. We could put (New Zealand) for as long as it takes for the international community to get used to the change. Some NZers might refuse to change. Tolerance for those people could be applied.

          But I couldn’t change our anthem so easily.

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          • Gezza

             /  January 30, 2019

            I would rather we changed to just one name. So if there had to be a change I’d go with your option described. I wouldn’t die in a ditch over my objection to ANZ.

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  3. Duker

     /  January 30, 2019

    Im sure the word Aotearoa doesnt have the history people think it has. probably invented by a European in the 1920s by stringing together two maori words.
    Didnt a academic ‘invent’ the word ‘Zealandia’ recently for the sunken sub continent that lies in the sea around us.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 30, 2019

      “He Ao! He Ao!” (A cloud! A cloud!) cried Hine Te Aparangi, wife of Kupe, at their first sighting of land …

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 30, 2019

      Duker, another anti-Maori ‘Lefty’ … There’s two of you …

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      • Duker

         /  January 30, 2019

        Aotea , might have been the name for the North island, given by the so called Aotea canoe

        BTW France wasnt the name for the whole country originally , just the central bit around Paris. All the regions had historical names usually in their own language.

        New Zealand has a longer historical usage than Aotearoa, plus its got first mover advantage

        Just looking at the first part of Treaty in Maori- doesnt mention Aotearoa,

        KO WIKITORIA te Kuini o Ingarani i tana mahara atawai ki nga Rangatira me nga Hapu o Nu Tirani i tana hiahia hoki kia tohungia ki a ratou o ratou rangatiratanga me to ratou wenua, a kia mau tonu hoki te Rongo ki a ratou me te Atanoho hoki kua wakaaro ia he mea tika kia tukua mai tetahi Rangatira – hei kai wakarite ki nga Tangata maori o Nu Tirani – kia wakaaetia e nga Rangatira Maori te Kawanatanga o te Kuini ki nga wahikatoa o te wenua nei me nga motu – na te mea hoki he tokomaha ke nga tangata o tona Iwi Kua noho ki tenei wenua, a e haere mai nei.

        The First part of the English version does say NZ….
        ‘HER MAJESTY VICTORIA Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland regarding with Her Royal Favor the Native Chiefs and Tribes of New Zealand …..”

        Lets forget the idea that Aotearoa has any historical maori significance

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 30, 2019

          Oh FFS … Maori didn’t write the Treaty, did they?

          We don’t know now what they ‘might’ have named the Islands … but Aotearoa is now the accepted Maori name …

          Next you’ll be citing cannibalism and infanticide, Waitaha predecessors and a prehistoric Phoenician peoples …?

          Which will mean “Lefty” is not an appropriate name for you after all.

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          • Duker

             /  January 30, 2019

            They wrote the Maori version… they had no general name then and the word Aotearoa was invented by George Grey

            So historical acceptance is the criteria now and but when it meansthe older historical version.
            You are all over the place… first its Tiriti …then historical acceptance …. thats a slippery slope as historically the Treaty had no significance …

            Seen any other bright shiny things you want to collect for your nest to give you status ?

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            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              WHAT!?????

              You castigated me earlier for “not knowing my Te Tiriti” … !!!

              “Hobson arrived at the Bay of Islands on 29 January 1840. With the help of his secretary, James Freeman, he drew up some notes for a treaty. James Busby, the British Resident (an official position), tidied these up and added to them. Over one evening, the notes were translated into Māori by the missionary Henry Williams and his son Edward.” – Te Ara

              Is that you Mike Butler? King of the ‘revisionists’ …

  4. Zedd

     /  January 30, 2019

    I thought most already use; Aotearoa/NZ

    & sing the anthem in both Te Reo & Reo pakeha: whenua tenei

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    • Gezza

       /  January 30, 2019

      Dunno about most of us yet. Probably most of our kids and even a few rugger fans know the anthem words in Maori.

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    • Duker

       /  January 30, 2019

      “I thought most already use; Aotearoa/NZ”

      You live in a bubble. A tiny minority do of their own choice.
      This has only come up because we are deep into the annual silly season.

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    • Zedd

       /  January 30, 2019

      6 dwntcks… nice 😮

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      • Duker

         /  January 30, 2019

        Whats worse , you cant even see that you are in a bubble.

        Stick to ‘most’ when talking about your own toes

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  5. MaureenW

     /  January 30, 2019

    What’s wrong with the name we’ve got?
    What’s right with the name Aotearoa?
    Are we changing to a so-called Maori name, but going to retain a flag with the Union Jack on it? Or, should we have a maori-looking flag to go with the maori-sounding name?
    Will we stop singing God Save the Queen (not that I did anyway), and start singing God Save the (Maori) King? He needs saving, by the way.
    Perhaps another starting point would be to look at countries that have more recently changed their names and see how well that has worked out for them. Zimbabwe, Iran, Democratic Republic of Congo, etc
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-countries-who-changed-their-name.html

    Secondly, I would ask, what is wrong with the current “branding”, because that’s what a name is – your international branding. People usually change their brand when the current one is dirtied .. is New Zealand a dirty name?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/08/10/10-of-the-biggest-company-name-changes-in-history/?noredirect=on

    With the maori population being around 15%, what is the likely future of New Zealand’s cultural mix? Perhaps we should be looking at NZistan. Short and snappy.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 30, 2019

      You’re absolutely Right Maureen, we should always stick with tyranny of the majority …

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      • Duker

         /  January 30, 2019

        better a majority than tyranny of a minority

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 30, 2019

          They weren’t the minority when they signed the Treaty … nor did they exhibit tyranny over Pakeha …

          We’re talking ‘recognition’ of a ‘First Nation’ or indigenous minority … not tyranny by them …

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          • Duker

             /  January 30, 2019

            The tyranny was inter tribal warfare which was decimating large areas. Funny that it stopped once the treaty was signed.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              Oh FFS, it didn’t stop at all, it shortly thereafter turned into war between many or most of the Maori who had signed Te Tiriti and The Crown …

              But I did say you were going to bring that up, didn’t I?

              Is that you Allan Titford?

            • Griff.

               /  January 30, 2019

              h FFS, it didn’t stop at all, it shortly thereafter turned into war between many or most of the Maori who had signed Te Tiriti and The Crown …

              Jesus you live in lala land.
              The majority of maori did not take part in resistance to the goverment at the time.
              It was a small minority with the numbers fighting against the goverment and other tribes at most 4000 in total .
              https://teara.govt.nz/en/new-zealand-wars

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              The majority of Maori didn’t take part in the Musket Wars either …

              That word “Musket” is such a giveaway …

              If the Musket Wars can have such profound importance with you Right Brigaders – and I acknowledge your fear-and-hatred relies so much upon them – there is no reason whatever the Land Wars shouldn’t have similar importance for Maori and Pakeha alike who are of other than ‘Right Brigade’ persuasion …

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              ‘First Nation’ Peoples is now used extensively in reference to the tribal Aboriginal peoples who occupied islands and continents prior to European arrival …

            • Griff.

               /  January 30, 2019

              The majority of Maori didn’t take part in the Musket Wars either …
              Slowly
              20 to 50% of the population was slaughtered in a generation.
              No maori any where in the country was unaffected by the musket wars as Tribes driven from their lands migrated and impacted on other tribes in a cascade of displacement and destruction.
              You really should stop ignoring what the world was like in 1800 to 1840 and before for Maori. It distorts your world view and makes it irrelevant when you base you views on the mythical Nobel savage.Your ancestors lived in fortified villages cowering from the possibility of attack from neighboring tribes long before we arrived .
              Before we arrived maori had a life that was Nasty, brutish and short.
              Inter tribal warfare was a result of competition for limited resources.
              Most precontact remains that have been examined show a people exposed to starvation and hunger at the limits for the lands ability to support their life style.

            • Duker

               /  January 30, 2019

              I Didnt use word ‘musket’, what ever the phrase there was conflict a plenty in the decades before 1840.
              The European settlers were becoming a problem too

              And when I looked it up …the English version was Translated FROM the Maori text
              “Around 6 February, Henry Williams translated a copy of the Māori text back into English. This became the official text of the treaty in English. It was presumed that the Māori text and the retranslation into English had the same meaning, but Williams added a cautionary note on the copy of the official text that Hobson sent to Governor Gipps: ‘I certify that the above is as literal a translation of the Treaty of Waitangi as the idiom of the language will allow.’
              https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/treaty/making-the-treaty/signing-the-treaty

          • Griff.

             /  January 30, 2019

            There was no first nation .
            There was a bunch of warring tribes intent on killing and eating each other .
            20% to 50 % of the population was slaughterer as soon as they had access to guns.
            Many maori signed the treaty because it brought them protection from other maori .
            Maori had been asking for England to take control for decades before they finally did.

            As to changing the name
            I dont give a smeg .
            it is just a name and makes no real difference to anyone except to the racists on both sides.
            As to pronunciation of Maori.
            We all have accents. many Maori speak an almost unintelligible mangled version of English. Respect goes both ways. If Maori stop speaking broglish we might just start trying to speak maori.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              Of course, you’ve never had a language forced upon you to compare such a ludicrous and disturbingly White Superiority statement with … unless you have Pict, English (many of who were forced to speak French for a long time), Scots, Welsh or Irish ancestors …

              The “we” you’re talking about is presumably Gezza’s “blended” nation of people?

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              Always, always “The Musket Wars” … It’s so pathetic!

              All Maori tarred with the same brush.

              How’s this: Pakeha are duplicitous, conniving, thieving, hypocritical, sex-obsessed, spiritually void genocidal maniacs?

            • Griff.

               /  January 30, 2019

              You never personally had a language forced on you .
              What happened over a century ago does not excuse mangling English today.
              I dont really give a fuck if maori talk a load of gibberish.
              What I am pointing out is you can not demand we talk Maori words without a New Zealand accent if many maori dont actually talk new Zealand English without a maori accent .
              Respect goes both ways ….Eh.
              I am from the south island originally my mother was from Caerphilly my father was from Manchester My accent reflects that heritage including the way I say maori words . You have no right to demand I ignore who I am just to conform to your desire to be a maori language nazi.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              Having a “New Zealand accent” doesn’t prevent you speaking any other language correctly. I was taught French at school, including how to emulate a French accent. Singers from all sorts of nations emulate American English accent in their songs …

              Your argument’s puerile.

              You appear to be saying that your speaking Maori words properly – the original names, for instance, for many places in Aotearoa New Zealand – is dependent on Maori speaking the overlaid English names correctly …

              And you’re saying they should be able to say English words properly despite their Maori heritage but you don’t have to say Maori words properly because of your English heritage …

              Go figure? If the perfidy of it wasn’t so blatant it would be funny, in an infantile sort of way … the unrelenting way of ‘The Right Brigade’.

              “What happened over a century ago doesn’t excuse mangled English today” …

              Griff, keep that concept in mind next time you are about to raise the old “Musket Wars” basket-case argument.

            • Griff.

               /  January 30, 2019

              What I am clearly saying is you can not demand we talk maori perfectly while Maori mangle English. You should except people as they are not make unreasonable demands every one conforms to you idea of correct accent .The only important imperative for the spoken language is can you and I understand what each other are saying not our individual pronunciations of each word .

              History must be examined in context.
              Taking the musket wars away from the conversation around the time of settlement is not looking at what happened its believing in unsupported myths .. As is making frankly whacko claims about the New Zealand wars being settlers against all maori. Maori were on both sides of the New Zealand wars . The memory of the horrific musket wars was still fresh for many of those maori who sided against the revolting tribes in the late 1800’s just as it was when the treaty was signed. You can not separate out the parts of history you dont like to justify your maori centric world view without your views losing sight of reality.

              There was no nation of maori there was no concept of New Zealand before we arrived. Talk of a maori word for New Zealand that pre dates the name New Zealand is fuckin rubbish.
              There was a string of island that each had a name they were not thought of as one place. Some of what is now called New Zealand was not even known about by Maori at the time. There was many separate tribes that each had their own identity not one nation of people called maori.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              @Griff – “What I am clearly saying is you can not demand we talk maori perfectly while Maori mangle English.”

              What I am clearly saying is you can not demand Maori talk English correctly while we mangle Maori.

              Okay, I concede I said “many or most Maori” went to war against the Crown. That might not be true among ALL Maori – a concept you preclude anyhow – but it was true in certain tribal areas, especially Taranaki …

              It seems that according to oral tradition the name Aotearoa does predate New Zealand by many hundreds of years, if we accept the name originated with Hine Te Aparangi’s cry from Kupe’s waka …

              Maori can and do speak on occasions with one voice now, for instance through Iwi Leaders Group, and if the majority of all ‘Kiwis’ want Aotearoa, which will also be a good marketing ‘brand’. why not?

              That’s what the petition and FaceBook page is about.

            • Duker

               /  January 30, 2019

              https://digital.sl.nsw.gov.au/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=FL1162917&dps_func=stream

              Part of Cook Strait as charted by Captain Cook. he gives the maori names for North Island and South Island ( based on English pronunciation of the time)
              No sign of Aotearoa- which was of course never heard of until it was written in Greys book.

              Cooks other charts had names like Otaheiti- which was of course the name for Tahiti.
              The maori names for the NZ main islands were known, but not for the whole country , as of course they didnt have one , until Grey decided to make part of myth , maybe about one area, into a national name

  6. PartisanZ

     /  January 30, 2019

    Gezza says it’ll be pronounced wrong by foreigners!!! Honestly, that is hilarious.

    It will be mispronounced by most ‘Kiwis’ too, many of them in ignorance and laziness, many on purpose just to constantly denigrate the language of a people they fear and hate …

    This is a great reason not to use it … not an opportunity for Maori & Tauiwi New Zealanders who care enough to demonstrate correct pronunciation by example or correct poor pronunciation …

    A new ‘assimilated’ Maori/Pakeha word would simply be a permanent symbol of assimilation, which is not very popular with many Maori and quite a few Pakeha … and not in line with Te Tiriti o Waitangi …

    I favour the petition and official incorporation of Aotearoa into our name as a way of introducing or re-introducing the great Constitution-making mahi we have ahead of us – including Head-of-State, Flag & Anthem – before our bicentennial in 2040 …

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    • Gezza

       /  January 30, 2019

      I can’t find Aotearoa in the Maori text of The Treaty?

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      • PartisanZ

         /  January 30, 2019

        Right Brigade!!! I meant, not in line with the Treaty principles of “partnership” or relationship.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 30, 2019

          Right Brigade!!!

          😳 WTF have you had for breakfast? Mushrooms?

          I meant, not in line with the Treaty principles of “partnership” or relationship

          You should’ve said. And bollocks.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  January 30, 2019

            You might equally have worked out I was talking about ‘principles’ since any contemporary discussion of the Treaty must include them … since say 1975 …

            Shit! Only 43 years!

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            • Gezza

               /  January 30, 2019

              I might have but attempting to mind-read is your thing, not mine.
              You might equally just say exactly what you mean.
              There was a reason Aotearoa wasn’t mentioned.
              There was no Maori nation state.
              The Treaty was signed with multiple independent Maori nations.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              Makes no difference. THEY signed it.

              We’re talking about a contemporary issue that ‘relates’ to the founding of the nation, not about “going back to the signing of the Treaty” …

              That means dealing with contemporary Maori & Pakeha, hapu/iwi & Tauiwi …

            • Duker

               /  January 30, 2019

              So thats how you ‘use’ the Treaty.- go back to it when it suits you , when it doesnt , no problem.
              BTW New Zealand was on Treaty Document itself.

            • MaureenW

               /  January 30, 2019

              @Duker
              ..and THEY SIGNED IT, according to PZ. Lol

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              No, I’m ‘relating’ it to the contemporary issue and yes, in an incredibly complex cauldron of early European contact, they signed it …

    • Gezza

       /  January 30, 2019

      A new ‘assimilated’ Maori/Pakeha word would simply be a permanent symbol of assimilation, which is not very popular with many Maori and quite a few Pakeha … and not in line with Te Tiriti o Waitangi …

      Twaddle. Kiwiland is a blended word not an assimilated one. This is a blended country.

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    • Duker

       /  January 30, 2019

      “and not in line with Te Tiriti o Waitangi”
      Neither is Aotearoa mentioned in the Treaty as a counterpoint to the use of new Zealand by the english verions.
      Shame on you for not knowing ‘your’ te Tiriti’

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      • PartisanZ

         /  January 30, 2019

        As per Gezza …

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 30, 2019

          Kiwiland has been used before in a facetious way and I think that there have been products called that.

          I wouldn’t mind it, though. The more I look at it, the more I like it.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  January 30, 2019

            Or, like true colonials, we could call it ‘Maoriland’ as numerous products were back in the good old days Miss Kitty …

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            • Gezza

               /  January 30, 2019

              But it’s not Maoriland is it? There are more non-Maori than Maori born here. Proud Kiwis – even Maori Kiwis. And Maori/Pakeha Kiwis. Going back 4 or 5 generations now. All now native-born citizens of this country.

              Which is my point. Absolutely Maori have a special place as tangata whenua. Absolutely their culture and language must survive and I think it will even thrive; the new generation of children learns more about it with less prejudice (except maybe in those schools where kids are bullied by predominantly Maori gang members, who might be inclined to wrongly link that shit behaviour with Maori culture) – and the process of remedying past injustices must continue.

              But the land as it was and as it was peopled in 1840 is not the land of today and so the way forward must be walked carefully with continuing dialogue and continued listening.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 30, 2019

              Sorry, PZ, my mistake :-/

  7. Duker

     /  January 30, 2019

    I was right about a European came up with the Aotearoa word , but it was quite a bit earlier
    “Beginning in 1845, George Grey, Governor of New Zealand, spent some years amassing information from Māori regarding their legends and histories. He translated it into English, and in 1855 published a book called Polynesian Mythology And Ancient Traditional History Of The New Zealand Race. In a reference to Māui, the culture hero, Grey’s translation of the Māori read as follows:

    Thus died this Maui we have spoken of; but before he died he had children, and sons were born to him; some of his descendants yet live in Hawaiki, some in Aotearoa (or in these islands); the greater part of his descendants remained in Hawaiki, but a few of them came here to Aotearoa.[5]- Wikipedia

    In the Treaty the used an approximation of NZ as Nu Tirani.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  January 30, 2019

      You were Right all right!

      So, where did Grey get this information?

      From Maori … Right? Otherwise, Duker, why would he need to “translate it into English”?

      Therefore, logically (in the Monty Python sense) … Maori clearly must have used the word ‘Aotearoa’ … Right?

      The English would use “Nu Tirani”, an approximation of “New Zealand”, wouldn’t they? They wrote the document and translated it into Te Reo. They weren’t there to pander to Maori.

      They were there to gain ‘sovereignty’ over Maori and establish a mechanism for acquiring Maori land. “New Zealand” was the ‘brand’ they were promoting …

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      • Duker

         /  January 30, 2019

        You are just spouting revisionist rubbish. THERE WAS NO WORD that the Maori used for the entire country thats why an approximation was used.
        And a word invented by Grey would be even worse, Maori chiefs would have associated it with the Aotea canoe area- from Taranaki to Cook St

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        • PartisanZ

           /  January 30, 2019

          Oh … so … speaking of revisionism …

          Now you’re saying that out of all the information Grey “amassed” and that he “translated into English” (I’m quoting you here Duker) … he “invented” the ONE WORD Aotearoa?

          Give’us a break will you. Go back to Barry Brailsford, Bruce Moon and all the other notable ‘Right Brigade’ pseudo-historians. They can help you maintain your delusions.

          Reply
          • Duker

             /  January 30, 2019

            You are the one who should be grouped with those crackpots.

            I was quoting the Wikpedia entry, to show that before Grey it didnt exist. Like Shakespeare he ‘invented a nice new word’ when he wrote his book.
            If people want to use it, fine but lest not pretend it has any historical significance for Maori at all.

            Reply
          • Duker

             /  January 30, 2019

            Grey likely invented a whole lot of other stuff in his book as well.
            Thats what these colonial authors did, as he was writing for a European audience.
            We do know that as Governor he invented Runanga or tribal Councils in 1861, that was after creating the provinces and their local assemblies. Later he confiscated large amounts of maori land.
            George loved to make it all happen.

            Look at nowdays , we have a maori King, again an invented position to make sense for the Europeans…. it was very difficult for the local chiefs to find someone who wanted the job…. but that was how victorian era societies thought…having a king made you a nation.

            Its absurd to think by 1855 there was a maori word for New Zealand that wasnt known to the chiefs at Waitangi 10 years before.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  January 30, 2019

              Well, thanks, you’ve vindicated the whole argument about the name ‘Aotearoa’ being a contemporary issue, though of course with ‘references’ to the past …

            • Duker

               /  January 30, 2019

              It certainly satisfies a pakeha like you… Grey would be very pleased you have taken it up..

  8. The Consultant

     /  January 30, 2019

    I vote for Newvenzuela!

    We’ll get there.

    Reply
    • PartisanZ

       /  January 30, 2019

      Yep … with enough Consultants we will …

      Reply
    • Blazer

       /  January 30, 2019

      New China more relevant than…Zealand.
      Owners of Fletcher Residential and Universal Homes…who would have…known!

      Reply
      • PartisanZ

         /  January 30, 2019

        I see an Appointed Panel of carefully selected corporate-political elites gently persuading the public prior to a referendum on whether we retain New Zealand, or have Aotearoa New Zealand, or New Shanghai or New Canton …?

        Reply
  9. Chuck Bird

     /  January 30, 2019

    If Labour get elected again they will rename NZ the Socialist Democratic Republic of Aotearoa.

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  January 30, 2019

      Calm down. No they won’t. But if the Greens ever seize power they might rename it The Non Gender Specific Socialist Democratic Republic of Aotearoa New Zealand. Which is even bloody longer. >:D

      They’ll have to go. 😡
      Who else have we got? 😳

      Reply
    • Duker

       /  January 30, 2019

      We are now currently ‘Kingdom of New Zealand’ and we ‘share’ a sovereign as its cheaper
      Thats too ridiculous

      Reply
  10. NOEL

     /  January 30, 2019

    Each to his own. When I’m overseas these days and they ask where are you from my answer is “Aotearoa NZ.” For the frowning ones I simply show them my passport.

    Reply
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