Rules on blog commenting

Each comment should:

  • be on the topic of the post
  • add information, a point of view or a contribution of some substance and
  • be respectful and do no harm to others.

Commenting here is a privilege, not a right. Comments can and will be deleted without warning. Depending on your history a comment can earn you a short term or permanent ban without warning.

If you want to comment here please read the rules and ensure that you are adding value to the blog.

I have observed the following issues over the holiday period.

  • Short ‘empty’ or ‘zero-calorie’ comments, such as ‘I agree’ or ‘Me too’.
  • Commenters who are captured by a single issue and that is all they seem to comment about.
  • Trolls visiting to stir up trouble

As a commenter your job is to add value to the blog.

How do you do that?

You do it by…

  • Sticking to the topic of the post
  • By sharing your knowledge or opinion of the topic with other readers.
  • By being respectful of the writers, the blog owner, the blog itself and other commenters and readers.
  • By leaving it out if you are unsure of whether or not your wording will upset the moderators.
  • By not getting upset and expressing anger on the blog because your comment was not immediately published but was held up in automatic moderation.

It should be obvious that this is from another blog, one that claims to champion free speech but with a reputation for heavy handed moderation and banning.

Where the ‘job’ of commenters is to ‘add value’ to the blog, to the brand, to the agendas being promoted, or otherwise you risk getting the arse card.

With this approach to moderating it is impossible to know how manipulated comments are in support of ‘adding value’. I think we just have to assume that commenting freely at Whale Oil is unlikely to be happening.

One funny thing – ‘zero-calorie’ comments like ‘I agree’ or ‘Me too’ seem to have been common on posts promoting subscriptions, meat sales and donations. Agreeing and promoting the brands there is ok, going against the manipulated message is what seems to be verboten.

Whale Oil has been significantly devalued as a political blog because of it’s ‘value added’ censorship. There is no way of knowing how jacked up comments are in support of their agendas.

That’s their choice of course.  And it’s my choice to laugh when they claim to be some sort of protector of free speech.

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70 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  1st February 2019

    Well thats me gone…..sigh

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  2. Duker

     /  1st February 2019

    He essentially gets his moderators for free, so they are ‘overused’ and set up little fiefdoms with their own rules to ‘keep them busy’

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  3. MaureenW

     /  1st February 2019

    The commenting rules are about the only thing left that is remotely interesting about the blog.

    Other than that, it’s just a bloody mess.’

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  4. PartisanZ

     /  1st February 2019

    I’d hardly describe myself as the most “value-added” commentor on here … although I’m clearly well above many others … so I’m probably gone …

    As Gezza is so prone to saying, “Who have we got left?”

    One might perhaps ask: What are blogs REALLY for? What do they REALLY accomplish? What are some of the unforeseen consequences, positive & negative?

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    • Corky

       /  1st February 2019

      Parti..is it true you have a kete to carry your ego around?

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    • Gezza

       /  1st February 2019

      You don’t pay close enuf attention, Parti. What I say is:

      ” Who else have we got? 😳 “

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  1st February 2019

      One might also ask ‘Why are you here?’ What keeps you coming back?

      What makes the effort involved in crafting a long tortured diatribe to a disinterested audience a more worthwhile endeavour than say to be outside in the sunshine putting your back into something more productive ..like weeding the vege garden?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st February 2019

        Possibly the outside temperature?

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        • Gezza

           /  1st February 2019

          21 deg C here.
          Tawa, Wellington: Forecast Summary
          Mostly cloudy with strong North to Nor’West winds, late evening rain with a Southerly change.

          Luckily for Wellingtonians the usual Welly zephyrs have saved us from the oppression of the blocking high Dan The Weatherman on 1ewes at 6 keeps banging on about.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  1st February 2019

            21o !!! It’s still sweltering here; I did some cutting back of agapanthus leaves and it was too hot to stay out long. There are three fans on in this room, which is not a very large one. It’s not quite as humid, I must say.

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          • Trevors_Elbow

             /  1st February 2019

            Tawa? Tawa? Bloody hell…. i thought you were North Welly hardcore – Tbay, Cannons or Waitangarua! Bloody pretender……

            Should have know being an ex Civil Servant you would live somewhere mundane and middle class….

            ; )

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            • Gezza

               /  1st February 2019

              Oi – I rub shoulders with the hoi polloi in the village and at New World. Your trouble Trev is you’re a social climber. 😉

        • Conspiratoor

           /  1st February 2019

          You disappoint me Al, I see Russell barely managed a balmy 27C today.

          Spare a thought for Chicagees batling with a metre of global warming outside their doors!

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  1st February 2019

            Yes, noticeably more pleasant today, C. You’ve spotted the reason I live here and not Chicago.

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        • Gezza

           /  1st February 2019

          Today’s heat wave in Tawa
          https://streamable.com/nxa88

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      • PartisanZ

         /  1st February 2019

        Conspiratoor, I craft my fuller comments in the same time it takes most to write a sentence or two …

        I also put my back into plenty of other ‘productive’ things, including a vege garden that provides almost all our needs except onions at present …

        Why are you here? And: What keeps you coming back? These are questions anyone on this blog could ‘productively’ ask themselves … or are you saying it’s okay to come here for confirmation bias but not for useful, open-minded discussion and debate …

        Corky … I don’t need a kete to carry my ego around in … I have ‘slaves’ like you to keep it bolstered up … The way you follow me around this site means you’re a slave to my every word!

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        • Corky

           /  1st February 2019

          Cruel, very cruel, Parti. But like politicians, blog commentators need a taste of the flail now and again to clear the head and sinuses.😆

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          • PartisanZ

             /  1st February 2019

            I don’t know why we don’t just face facts … We’re here to fight, Right?

            Righty vs Lefty … No-one ever alters their opinion … and sometimes you’ve gotta be cruel to be kind …

            It’s confirmation bias or anti-confirmation bias. Yours against mine …

            We should look for the positives … like to what extent is blogging a relief valve for (often misplaced) anger and frustration?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st February 2019

              A bit of gentle sparring with Sir Gerald and those unkind critics of my good mate Trumpy brings a chuckle to my day. Plus PG’s selection of topics and posts is generally far more interesting than MSM’s journalism.

      • PartisanZ

         /  1st February 2019

        Nah, seriously Conspiratoor, I do it all just to piss you off … and it works!

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  1st February 2019

          You should have listened more carefully to my good friend Murray. You’d be a different man today

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        • PartisanZ

           /  1st February 2019

          Ouuhhhhh …

          No thanks. Murray never had any sage advice for me … just like you don’t. I was exactly the type of *nerd* he enjoyed intimidating and viciously, sadistically caning …

          I wouldn’t want to be “a different man today” if it meant being anything like him!

          Huh … You clearly weren’t a “disinterested audience” on that occasion!

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  1st February 2019

    Obviously some commenters could best add value by not commenting – our late and unlamented contributor from the deep south being a case in point. That’s ironic since he surely had some interesting knowledge he could have shared but chose not to.

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    • Gezza

       /  1st February 2019

      Might have just feel the stronger pull of his natural environment?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  1st February 2019

        Yes, when he was at his best he could be entertaining and make some good points.

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    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  1st February 2019

      Where is Robert the Wandering Willow gone… is he banned?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st February 2019

        I think he got the huff when moderated so trolling wasn’t fun any more.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  1st February 2019

      I might be the lone ranger but I’m sorry he’s packed his kit and buggered off. These blogs are filled with anonymous neville nobodies who have reinvented themselves but Robert was the real deal, clearly an expert in his field (food forestry). Indeed people paid money to hear him talk.

      However he did appear to have an unhappy knack of getting under pg’s skin somewhat, so paid the price

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      • Gezza

         /  1st February 2019

        Was he bloody Tonto?

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      • It was his own choice. I warned him about persistent attacks, disruption and making false accusations and he chose to not comment at al any more. He rarely tried to make his own arguments, he just tried to disrupt and shut down discussions he didn’t like or agree with. What he was doing was unfair on others here and anti-free speech. The greater good needs to prevail.

        He could have made some very interesting contributions but only seemed interested in numpty or nothing.

        He is welcome to comment again if he complies with basic and fairly lenient requirements.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  1st February 2019

          He was certainly prolific for a while granted. But if you’ve ever lived through a winter in Invercargill, you’ll know it’s not conducive to venturing outside

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  1st February 2019

    Yes i understand this now… was that me… hard to believe i train dogs…shoddy behavior
    By not getting upset and expressing anger on the blog because your comment was not immediately published but was held up in automatic moderation.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  1st February 2019

      End of times for me ,its hard to be an independent.. a free thinker

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  7. Gezza

     /  1st February 2019

    7 Sharp is having a look at these Restauranters Immigration are giving the push.

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    • Gezza

       /  1st February 2019

      Ok, about 3 or 4 minutes worth probably. Several well-heeled looking matrons saying they’ve made it a community, reckon the business has grown, they love coming there, etc, the wife said their two youngest kids were born here and leaving will be hard on them, and there was some vicar (I think) woman named Pauling who helps immigrants out who said immigration rules were complex and it’s impersonal; often immigrants never even get to ever see someone from Immigration in person.

      They promised to give viewers any comment or update from Immigration NZ.

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  8. zedd99

     /  1st February 2019

    thx for all the fish 😀 :/

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  9. Interesting comments on “New to Whaleoil? Unsure of the rules? Scared to comment?
    In response to “I was wondering about posting relevant links to other sites. This can be important to back up a comment, but it also promotes our competitors…..?”:

    “Our competitors” is the key there. In very general terms we can’t think of many good reasons to link to our ‘competitors’, and particularly those who are more hostile and seemingly bent out of shape about WO’s existence. Why would we?
    That said, sometimes, an entire thread here may be based on another sites post if an important issue has been raised, but outside that we don’t obsess about them, like some of them do us.

    I should add if it wasn’t obvious that general..err.. “news” sites, are OK, its specifically the political blogs that’s being referred to.

    Funny saying “who are more hostile and seemingly bent out of shape about WO’s existence” when they are the ones obsessed about not linking to other sites.

    I could guess but I’m not sure why they are so anal about linking to other political blogs. Bent out shape about feeding clicks to other blogs may be one reason, trying (misguidedly) to protect their brand perhaps, trying to censor any outside criticism. It could be an ongoing huffy fit.

    DPF at Kiwiblog never restricts links to other blogs, and The Standard doesn’t often moderate links – linking to source material and comments and posts elsewhere in similar forums seems kind of a natural thing to do.

    I have always encouraged cross blog debate and links from other blogs. For me, the more outside information, properly attributed/linked, the better.

    Different flogs for different blogs.

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  10. Mother

     /  2nd February 2019

    Free speech for those who don’t threaten…..

    There are a few things that threaten free speech on YourNZ.

    1. The chumminess of old timers can make it feel like a club. When someone less known joshes along, misrepresentation occurs. YourNZ suffers from people wanting to be popular above all else – no different to a year 8 classroom.

    2. Every now and then people say they mostly contribute for less than serious reasons. This seems counter to PG’s goals of useful political blogging.

    3. The consistent double speakers repeatedly come down hard on someone with different views.

    4. There is an attitude from some that another person with strong views is ‘looking for an audience’ and should ‘try elsewhere.’ This is a strange stance.

    I have consistently been discouraged on Your NZ. However, I take the host at face value. Having been one who lost freedom of speech, I take it seriously. Having been unfairly discarded by community, I value a sense of belonging.

    Socially, individuals follow those absurd rules stated above more than they realise. They do it under the host’s radar and in so doing, perhaps they limit the value of YourNZ?

    So long as people in general refuse to grow up, we will get worsening government for the children’s future. That’s not a joshing matter.

    Does social media influence how we are governed?

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    • Mother

       /  2nd February 2019

      As a Christian, the last place I would blog politically would be a site dedicated to Christian viewpoints.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd February 2019

      I’ve actually come to enjoy your posts. I think you raise some valid points. This blog is unlike any others. There’s a range of personalities and personally I like that.

      Reply

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