White House says SOTU will have unifying tone, while Trump attacks Pelosi

Donald Trump  seems to confuse greatness with grateness.

He is prone to contradictions and making odd statements, often out of step with his own officials and administration, and with his speech writers.

That continues as the White House has suggested his State Of The Union speech will have ‘a unifying tone’, at the same time as Trump attacks House leader Nancy Pelosi, and says he will call the Democrats to heal old wounds. It doesn’t sound like he is intent on healing growing rifts over immigration and his wall.

NY Times:  State of the Union Will Have Unifying Tone, White House Says

President Trump plans to use his State of the Union address on Tuesday night to outline a bipartisan and optimistic vision of the country, a senior administration official said on Friday.

It could be a difficult sell.

In the past few weeks, as he has tried to navigate his way out of a political standoff with Democrats, Mr. Trump has ramped up his anti-immigration messaging, stormed out of meetings with Democratic leaders and refused to accept any compromise that does not ultimately include funding for a border wall.

And while the White House said on Friday that the goal of the speech was to bring together a divided government and a divided nation, the official said immigration would emerge as the main theme.

The overarching theme of the speech, the official said, will be “Choosing Greatness,” and it will focus on issues where there is a possibility of bipartisan consensus: infrastructure, lowering health care and prescription drug costs, protecting American workers affected by what he described as “decades of flawed trade deals” and safeguarding national security.

‘Choosing Greatness’ seems to mean acknowledging Trump’s perception of his own greatness, which he seems to confuse with grateness.

The president will also call on Congress to replace what he described as the “Nafta disaster” with the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement and discuss the trading relationship with China.

I thought that Trump scrapped NAFTA and renegotiated it. perhaps he didn’t get it all his own way as he expected with his great negotiating prowess.

But while the White House tries to talk up unity Trump continues to do his best to divide.

CBS:  Pelosi is “very bad for our country,” Trump says

Days before a State of the Union address in which he’s expected to stress unity, President Trump said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is “very bad for the country,” in an exclusive interview with CBS News “Face the Nation” host Margaret Brennan.

The president also suggested Pelosi “doesn’t mind human trafficking,” or she wouldn’t oppose funding his border wall.

“Well, I think that she was very rigid — which I would expect — but I think she’s very bad for our country,” the president said, when asked what he learned after negotiating with Pelosi in recent weeks. “She knows that you need a barrier. She knows that we need border security. She wanted to win a political point. I happen to think it’s very bad politics because basically, she wants open borders. She doesn’t mind human trafficking or she wouldn’t do this.”

Mr. Trump said Thursday he doesn’t think lawmakers will reach a deal to fund his border wall. Mr. Trump told Brennan that Pelosi is doing a “terrible disservice to our country.”

“She’s — she’s costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars because what’s happening is, when you have a porous border and when you have drugs pouring in, and when you have people dying all over the country because of people like Nancy Pelosi who don’t want to give proper border security for political reasons — she’s doing a terrible disservice to our country”.

Typically Trump is blaming Pelosi for the shutdown that he was largely responsible for.

NY Times on his SOTU speech:

“Together we can break decades of political stalemate, we can bridge old divisions, heal old wounds, build new coalitions, forge new solutions and unlock the extraordinary promise of America’s future,” Trump plans to say, according to the excerpt, which was read to reporters at a briefing on Friday.”

There didn’t seem to be much togetherness tone in his CBS  interview.

CBS:

Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff Drew Hammill responded to the president’s remarks, saying, “The president knows, bluster aside, that Democrats are committed to securing our borders while upholding our values as a nation. The president should stop undermining bipartisan efforts to do just that.”

“President Trump’s recklessness didn’t make us safer, it undermined our security with 35 days of border patrol agents, DEA agents, FBI agents and Homeland Security personnel missing paychecks. Democrats have put forward strong, smart and effective border security solutions in the bipartisan conference committee, while the President still refuses to take a second shutdown off the table”.

NY Times:

And although the president agreed to three weeks of negotiations to end the impasse, he said on Thursday that the talks are “a waste of time” and strongly hinted that he would declare a national emergency to bypass Congress and obtain wall funding.

Mr. Trump suggested on Friday that he would announce his decision on declaring a national emergency during the State of the Union speech.

“I don’t want to say,” he told reporters when asked if he was planning to do so. “You’ll hear the State of the Union and let’s see what happens,” he said.

White House officials have been warning him against the action, but they also view it as a potential last-ditch exit ramp if they cannot find another face-saving solution.

This is all business as usual for Trump. He is either ignoring his own White House, or is deliberately sending different messages.

I don’t think that speak out of both sides of his mouth will be very face-saving.

39 Comments

  1. Meanwhile not far from Washington it’s groundhog day.

    • Gezza

       /  February 3, 2019

      Kitty will be quite impressed with Phil’s literary abilities I imagine. Even if his poem doesn’t scan, it’s not a bad effort for a groundhog.

    • Duker

       /  February 3, 2019

      Punxsutawney Phil is mostly wrong , you would have better chances by flipping a coin.

      Then again NOAA doesnt seem to have got it right either with their climate Models.
      Winter Outlook favors warmer temperatures for much of U.S

      https://www.noaa.gov/media-release/winter-outlook-favors-warmer-temperatures-for-much-of-us

      Fancy thinking that climate models that are good for a week of so can predict the weather 3 months ahead !

      • Griff.

         /  February 3, 2019

        ROFL
        Your rant is not even wrong.
        Parts of the USA just had a single week of cold weather and you think thats all of winter over the entire country.
        In the world of the sane one week is not the same as three months.

        Due to the shut down the USA’s monthly climate report is delayed.
        The latest information I can find for the entire USA is from the December global map.
        As you can see over December the temperatures were above average for the USA .

        • Duker

           /  February 3, 2019

          NOAA’s prediction/crystal ball has different values for different parts of the country, thats why they showed their predictions

          Your map is even worse, temps from another climate model is it, (GHCNV3+ERSST) not even using current temperature readings
          NIWA seems to manage ok with real temps against current period to compare 2010-1981 Who uses 1951-80
          https://www.niwa.co.nz/static/climate/last15daystemp.png?1234

          I love it when you defend your climate models when they arent reliable for 3 months ahead.

          • Duker

             /  February 3, 2019

            I can even find a completely different current ‘anomaly map’ to yours , based on a different climate model and time period

            Again they arent using recorded temps but ‘simulcasting a climate model’ [ NCEP Global Forecast System (GFS) model] to create them for the last few days

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019

              This is a better format for the map

            • Griff.

               /  February 3, 2019

              WTF are you gibbering about now?
              I posted average for all of December based on temperature data .
              You are now posting daily weather maps for now .
              Again not even wrong .
              Get some help mate
              Primmer one or so to learn all about how days and months work.

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019

              December ?
              Its just gone into February . Do try to keep up

              NOAA map was for the period Dec-Jan-Feb, do you even know what time period winter covers in US? Its called a seasonal forecast from their Climate Models . Funny how it didnt even have a prediction for even a little bit colder winter for any part of the continental US

          • Griff.

             /  February 3, 2019

            Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN)

            The Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN) is an integrated database of climate summaries from land surface stations across the globe that have been subjected to a common suite of quality assurance reviews. The data are obtained from more than 20 sources. Some data are more than 175 years old while others are less than an hour old. GHCN is the official archived dataset, and it serves as a replacement product for older NCEI-maintained datasets that are designated for daily temporal resolution
            https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/land-based-station-data/land-based-datasets/global-historical-climatology-network-ghcn

            Extended Reconstructed Sea Surface Temperature (ERSST) v5

            The Extended Reconstructed Sea Surface Temperature (ERSST) dataset is a global monthly sea surface temperature dataset derived from the International Comprehensive Ocean–Atmosphere Dataset (ICOADS). Production of the ERSST is on a 2° × 2° grid with spatial completeness enhanced using statistical methods.
            This monthly analysis begins in January 1854 continuing to the present and includes anomalies computed with respect to a 1971–2000 monthly climatology. The newest version of ERSST, version 5, uses new data sets from ICOADS Release 3.0 (Sea Surface Temperatures) SST; SST comes from Argo floats above 5 meters, Hadley Centre Ice-SST version 2 (HadISST2) ice concentration
            .ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/land-based-station-data/land-based-datasets/global-historical-climatology-network-ghcn

            The source of the map was from Nick Stokes at moyhu.
            https://moyhu.blogspot.com/2019/01/december-global-surface-templs-up-012.html

            I see you also dont understand what an anomaly is .

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019

              I do get what an anomaly is . NIWA is using the correct process, they are a climate institute after all.
              Most recent anomaly period 1981-2010- check
              Using actual current temperature readings ( not from a simulation from a climate model of the current temps like you do)
              https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#t2anom

              Even so using your method , I can come up with global maps with different colours for different anomalys to yours.
              The anomaly period 51-80 is just nonsense, its normally the most recent 30 yr period.
              so do you want to discredit the University of Maine and rely on some dude instead.

            • Griff.

               /  February 3, 2019

              Gibbering ignorance batman
              Read my posts again slowly so it might just sink in to your thick scull
              The map I posted is based on the actual temperature data for December .
              I used Nicks map because he gets it out before anyone else.

              The choice of anomaly base lines changes depending on the source you use . IE the weather maps you just posted use 1979 to 2000.
              NASA uses 1951 to 1980 the World Meteorological Organization uses 1961 to 1990.
              There is no “correct” base line period.
              Even more funny .
              The climate reanalyses you have linked to is based on weather models it is not actual measured temperatures.

              You live in lala land .

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019

              You are in Lala land

              The national maps show temperature anomalies relative to the 1981–2010 base period. This period is used in order to comply with a recommended World Meteorological Organization (WMO) Policy, which suggests using the latest decade for the 30-year average.
              https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/anomalies.php

              NOAA is the standard US Climate body. not NASA – GISS , their Institute of Space Studies.

              My winter predictions came from NOAA , who using their climate models
              predicted a mostly average to above average temp winter back in Oct for the 3 month period Dec-jan-Feb were WRONG.

            • Griff.

               /  February 3, 2019

              My winter predictions came from NOAA , who using their climate models
              predicted a mostly average to above average temp winter back in Oct for the 3 month period Dec-jan-Feb were WRONG.

              You are still confusing less than one week of cold weather with the entire three months of winter .
              I cant help your issues over this problem with comparative time .
              Winter in the northern hemisphere is not over until the end of this month.
              In early April NOAA will release their state of the climate for the USA.
              Until then keep on time tripping son .

              As to base line .
              I know its hard to grapple with simple concepts for you.
              It doesn’t really matter what base line you use it does not change the underlying data .

              Oh and son yelling WRONG in caps does not make you right.
              Especially when you are still making up the fact that winter was cold before winter is even over.

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019

              Not only US
              https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/snowdon1-20190201-135003-aab366-1000_thumb.jpg?w=1004&h=567

              This is Snowdon in Wales
              back in 2007 a story in the Guardian was headlined
              ‘Snowdon will be snowfree in 17 years Scientist say’
              https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/snowdon-will-be-snow-free-in-13-years-scientists-warn-6229055.html

              and they were saying the same thing in 2004
              https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1479581/Snowdon-to-lose-its-snowcap-by-2020-says-study.html

              One year to go for that thing of the past -snow.
              but surely if things like ‘polar vortices’ are because of global warming we should be having more of them…oops

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019


              Snowden the other day

  2. David

     /  February 3, 2019

    Congress has to approve his renegotiated NAFTA deal.
    Some may have missed the 304,000 jobs created last month, during the shutdown, and the continued wage growth which is quite impressive at this stage of the economic cycle.

    • Duker

       /  February 3, 2019

      You mean the rock star jobs economy he inherited from the last term of Obama- but of course that was more the Feds doing, as one its primary concerns is unemployment

  3. David

     /  February 3, 2019

    Of note also while Trumps approval rating barely moved during the shutdown according to a WSJ poll Pelosi was off 6%. The media bias against Trump over the shutdown and his apparent capitulation and it being called a Pelosi win could be at odds with how Americans view things.
    Pelosi,s refusal to negotiate and not putting up an alternate plan to secure the border could well come back to bite her. Trump has offered her all the things she asked for in return for wall funding and if he builds it using emergency powers she has no leverage to do a deal on DACA.

    • artcroft

       /  February 3, 2019

      Actually Trumps poll numbers tanked during the shutdown. The only demo-graph where Trump is positive is voters over 60-90 years old. A not insignificant percentage of these voters will be dead by 2020. Thus Republican Senators told Trump “Cave or we’ll vote against you”. Trump caved. End of story.

    • lurcher1948

       /  February 3, 2019

      Does that MAGA cap feel comfy David

    • Patzcuaro

       /  February 3, 2019

      Pelosi was a clear winner in the shutdown, cementing her leadership of the Democrats and maintaining a united from against Trump. Trump was the big loser with many Republicans turning against him, both Ryan and McConnell told him it was a bad idea and they proved correct.

    • Duker

       /  February 3, 2019

      arty is right , Polls tanked for Trump and as well when The Dems proposal went to the Senate it got more votes than the Whitehouse one. Trumps advisors including his son in law threw the towel into the ring for the Decioder in Chief to back down.
      Due to the way the short term bills worked it was only about 1/3 of the Government that was ‘closed’ – including IRS.
      Come February ALL of the spending will be on line, as last years Budget isnt yet passed ( normally done by October or so)
      Will Trump risk shutting WHOLE government instead of like last time just 1/3 or so.?
      Nope

  4. Patzcuaro

     /  February 3, 2019

    Here is RealClearPolitics polls and graph of Trumps job approval (disapproval really). It shows a clear increase in disapproval over the shutdown period.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 3, 2019

      Dropped from 43 to 41% in early January but is that very significant? You would need to see charts for other players to know. It seemed more likely it was air travel disruption that forced Trump’s hand in the end.

      • Gezza

         /  February 3, 2019

        It was Nancy whupping his arse.

      • Duker

         /  February 3, 2019

        Wasnt the air travel – the weather has been atrocious, the IRS was supposed to start processing tax refunds when Trump caved
        anothe reason was this
        Dueling bills to reopen the federal government fail in the Senate on the 34th day of a partial government shutdown. – CNN

        They both failed , but the Dems bill got MORE votes than the Whitehouse proposal.
        “A GOP-backed measure to fund Trump’s border wall and offer limited legal protections for some immigrants failed in a 50-47 vote…
        A plan supported by Democrats fared better, but still fell short in a 52-44 vote. ”
        https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/senate-votes-on-government-shutdown-and-trump-border-wall-bill.html

        this was I think the day before Trump gave up. His own party isnt going to give all its senate votes to his version.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  February 3, 2019

          I think initially mainstream Republican politicians weren’t keen on the shutdown, the Democrats hung together (Pelosi and Schumer), moderate Republicans then began to fracture as public opinion ran against Trump. Trump ended up upsetting mainstream Republicans by initiating the shutdown, then pissed off the extreme right by caving in and the Democrats and Independents were already kissed off, that is pretty much everybody.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  February 3, 2019

            Pissed off not kissed off, but he might have kissed goodbye to 2020

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019

              His supporters wont care about the wall not being built anymore than they care about Mexico paying for it. maybe he will point to the drop in immigration instead.
              Trump is all about Trumpism…it doesnt rely on facts

      • Patzcuaro

         /  February 3, 2019

        @Alan I see you have the old rose tinted glasses on again.
        From RealClearPolitics on Dec 20 just prior to the partial shutdown on Dec 22 the averages were disapprove 51.8% and approve 42.4% a margin in favour of disapproval of 9.4%.
        On January 31 after the partial shutdown ended on January 25 average disapproval had risen to 55.5% and average approval had fallen to 41.0% a margin in favour of disapproval of 14.5%.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 3, 2019

          Pretty much what I said, Patz, except you’ve added the disapproves but do they matter as they won’t vote for him anyway?

          And what happened to his opponents’ disapproval numbers?

          • Patzcuaro

             /  February 3, 2019

            Well an approval rating of 41% is not going to get him reelected either.

            Pelosi’s numbers have improved since the midterms but are still more negative that Trumps. Both Pelosi and Schumer have better approval ratings than McConnell.

            https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/nancy_pelosi_favorableunfavorable-6673.html

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 3, 2019

              Depends where the votes are and turnout. If Dems concentrate in California and New York Trump may still win.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  February 3, 2019

              Actual Trump at about 15% points more unfavourable Pelosi at 14% more unfavourable and Schumer at 13% more unfavourable, are all reasonable equal. McConnell lags the field at 21.5% more unfavourable.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  February 3, 2019

              Keep those rose tinted glasses handy.

            • Duker

               /  February 3, 2019

              The only numbers Pelosi has to worry about are in her San Francisco district
              She got 86.8% of the Vote.
              The Democrats in the 2081 House nationwide elections got 53.45 % up from 48%, a nearly 5.5% swing and 41 more seats.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  February 3, 2019

        Even the staunch raving-righty Rasmussen polls show King Moron’s approval rating has tanked from 50% on December 5, immediately before the shutdown, to 43% on Feb 1.

        Not forgetting the six Republican Senators who crossed the aisle to vote with the Dems to reopen government without wall funding.

        Still the Cult-45ers remain utterly blind and deaf.