Nonsense to suggest Brash speaks on behalf of Pākehā

@MorganGodfery: “pākehā should stop letting don brash try to speak on their behalf”

Don Brash obviously speaks for himself. He may speak for Hobson’s Choice, at times at least. But it’s ridiculous to suggest that he speaks on behalf of ‘Pākehā’.  As a number of people on Twitter pointed out in response to Godfery.

I could agree with some things he has said and says, but I also disagree with things he has said.

I see myself as Pākehā but he certainly doesn’t speak on my behalf. He never has. I opposed him when he lead National and specifically voted against National getting into Government when he was their leader.

And it’s even more ridiculous to suggest that Pākehā should stop letting Brash try to speak at all. But Godfery reiterated this nonsense.

This seems to be increasingly common from younger people – demanding that people they don’t like be shut down or shut up.

It shows an alarming lack of awareness of the importance of free speech in a democratic society.

But it’s not just younger people.

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44 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  6th February 2019

    The Left preach democracy and practice dictatorship.

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    • Duker

       /  6th February 2019

      He doesn’t speak ‘for the left’
      While Brash is basically on his own now, he has been both leader of national and ACT…which is much bigger platform than occasional writer on Spinoff

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  2. High Flying Duck

     /  6th February 2019

    Morgan Godfrey is a complete tool of course, and is too woke to realise just how much of one he is. Spinoff writer – what more needs to be said.

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  3. artcroft

     /  6th February 2019

    Don Brash must love all the free publicity he gets from these morons.

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    • artcroft

       /  6th February 2019

      The term ‘useful idiots’ springs to mind.

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      • Corky

         /  6th February 2019

        Spare a thought for Peter Dunn, Arty. Brash just seems to attract attention..and no one knows why.

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  4. FarmerPete

     /  6th February 2019

    Never heard of Morgan Godfrey. His tweets show complete ignorance of how free speech is supposed to work. personally, my view is that brash is a ‘dick’ but he is just as free to speak as anyone else.

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    • Duker

       /  6th February 2019

      Yes. Free speech isn’t for the nice things , it’s for whack jobs too.
      But don’t forget Brash gets his platform because he was a national party leader…how many retired Reserve bank governor’s can you name

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      • Duker

         /  6th February 2019

        Funny no one cares about the time a University cancelled a speech by Hone Harawira due to safety concerns , that’s because it was all about the right to protest…yeah right

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        • alloytoo

           /  6th February 2019

          if you could just reference the supporting emails.

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          • Duker

             /  6th February 2019

            That was taken from Free Speech Coalition fundraiser Farrar blogback in 2012…when he was on the other side of the fence….

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      • FarmerPete

         /  7th February 2019

        Why would that be relevant?

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  5. Blazer

     /  6th February 2019

    Brash as ex National Party leader knows what his people want to…hear.

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    • I have no idea who ‘his people’ would be. If there is such a thing it’s likely to be a small number of people.

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      • Blazer

         /  6th February 2019

        After his Orewa speech his people’ nearly got him over the line at an election!

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        • Gezza

           /  6th February 2019

          I assume “his people” then switched to being, Winston’s people. And he’s turned out to be tits on a bull to them too. They must be in absolute bloody despair over whose people they should be at the next election. Poor buggars :/

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          • Duker

             /  6th February 2019

            What did Winston do to you to carry all that grief….

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            • Gezza

               /  6th February 2019

              Absolutely nothing. He just amuses me as a character whose policies are whatever are convenient for a few votes and can become something completely the opposite when he gets into government and back again when the next election comes along.

            • Duker

               /  6th February 2019

              Didn’t you hear Dunnes comment about National campaigning on the right but governing from the centre…. because other parties never do that do they..
              It certainly sounds like a beef to me…as you’re smart about the political game

            • Gezza

               /  6th February 2019

              I don’t give a monkey’s what it sounds like to you. Winston makes me bloody larf & I’d never vote for his party as of them all I trust him the least to mean what he says. The other parties are more likely to actually implement more of what they say their policies will be before the election. With Winston you never know. But he’s a solid enuf Minister of Foreign Affairs once he’s taken up the job in any coalition, provided he gets some extra dosh to spend on an embassy or to big note around the pacific with (and still not match the Chinese largesse).

          • Duker

             /  6th February 2019

            Get a grief counsellor…why do you give a stuff if he misleads ‘others’
            Reminds me of people who hate certain TV shows , but can’t seem to find the off switch

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            • Gezza

               /  6th February 2019

              I don’t have any grief over it you plonker. I find it all bloody hilarious. Especially that suckers vote for him. Get over yourself and stop projecting.

        • Corky

           /  6th February 2019

          I think New Zealand nearly got him over the line. Don’t think Orewa can’t happen again.

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          • Blazer

             /  6th February 2019

            National have disowned Brash…and Muldoon,and Shipley…and Bolger….and..Key…loyal..lot. 😉

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            • Corky

               /  6th February 2019

              Like the free market, Blazer. Is can destroy you.but you always get another chance to try again. The free market has no empathy. But neither does it have animosity.

      • Duker

         /  6th February 2019

        Small number who might be Brashs people.?
        One seems to be Simon Bridges who likes what he hears, but with some high class dpin put on it.

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        • Liking or agreeing with some of what someone says doesn’t mean make that person one of ‘his people’. This shouldn’t need explaining.

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          • Duker

             /  6th February 2019

            Ok Supporters support what he was saying then.

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            • You can agree with something someone says without being a supporter.

              I agree with some things you say here but that doesn’t make me one of your supporters.

              Again, this is basic stuff that shouldn’t need explaining.

            • Duker

               /  6th February 2019

              Bridges could have said- like he does when asked about JLR- I have nothing to say. But he didn’t. He backed what Brash had said.. with a minor proviso .In political terms that’s significant
              Bridges is smart enough to be able to say he’s not aware of what was said. Etc etc.

  6. adamsmith1922

     /  6th February 2019

    Another example of how some on the left and the right confuse their views as the only correct ones. Furthermore, many demonise whole demographics by stating the views of a few are in fact the views of the majority. A prime example being the demonisation of white men for everything.

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  7. Zedd

     /  6th February 2019

    Don just showing his true colours: white Libertarian 🙂

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  8. oldlaker

     /  6th February 2019

    Commentators like Godfery seem deeply unaware of some of the reasons the US has Trump as President… The liberal elite just can’t seem to get their heads around the fact everyone’s vote is equal to their own. And they don’t seem to grasp how appealing they make the right look when they castigate Don Brash and others for having views they don’t agree with.

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  9. phantom snowflake

     /  6th February 2019

    Compiled from several tweets by@charliedrummond:

    “His proposition since Orewa in 2004 has been that we should be “one nation”. That sounds unifying, right? Except it holds as default that other nations should assimilate to “western” cultural norms, or some minor deviation from that.
    Second, he conflates nationality with identity. By chucking differences in culture, language, and world view under the steamroller of national identity he erases Māori identity. Imagine for a second that we went the other way – dropping English as a language?
    Third, he went on to conflate identity with genetics, saying there were no real Māori remaining – in a further attempt to invalidate them. Should we apply this same approach to the English?
    Finally, the end game of all the above is to erode and invalidate the treaty of Waitangi as a fundamental constitutional document – ignoring the immense detrimental impact that colonisation and the following era had on Māori.
    As if “western culture” was a fair trade.”

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    • Griff.

       /  6th February 2019

      in a further attempt to invalidate them. Should we apply this same approach to the English?

      There are very few English in this country.
      I certainly dont think I am English my culture is very different than the English relatives I meet.
      You are insulting our culture, Kiwi culture, Demanding we are something we defiantly are not.
      Grow up get over your self recognize our kiwi culture we share parts of instead of denying it exists because you have an inferiority complex.

      .

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th February 2019

      Load of utter crap from start to nearly the finish. Yes, the Treaty is not a constitutional document. It is an historical document that was a roadmap to creating a nation of equals which was a rarity for those times.

      I wonder how he thinks Treaty settlements should be distributed if genetics is irrelevant. As for identity, he seems to have a strange notion that only Maori have one that matters and even stranger that they all have the same one.

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  10. Griff.

     /  6th February 2019

    Brash certainly doesn’t speak for all Pākehā.
    He probably does speak for many who view the label Pākehā as an insult.
    Bashes message is basically get race out of our electoral and legal system racialism has no place in either processes. Those who seek advantage to grounds of race find this concept racist. Orwellian double speak….. control the language and you control the message.

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  11. Ray

     /  6th February 2019

    Love the way Morgan Godfrey claims pakeha have no culture, ignoring his own name and of course the thousands of years of Culture we brought here plus the fact we have been literate for a fair lump of that time so consequently have bit more that half remembered stories to prove it.
    It always amazing how many of these “Māori” can access UK passports from granddad.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  6th February 2019

      Ray, can you quote me the part where Godfrey “claims Pakeha have no culture”? I can’t find that …

      Why is selectively and partially written down necessarily better than “half remembered”?

      It’s different … I’ll grant you that.

      Maori acknowledge and honour all their ancestors. So your “passport” comment is ‘almost’ a compliment … flexi laude … convoluted compliment …

      You could maybe give Don Brash lessons in convoluted BullShit ignorance for his next korero kanga … his next “insult talk” … ?

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  12. Tipene

     /  6th February 2019

    Action: Morbidly obese inarticulate Maori chick shouts down Don Brash speech with a megaphone, before Brash can complete his delivery.

    Result: Entire NZ media focuses on Don Brash’s speech, and a vastly wider audience than the 200 in the stuffy tent end up reading it.

    Ultimate Outcome: Face-palm for morbidly obese inarticulate Maori chick.

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  13. PartisanZ

     /  7th February 2019

    I reckon I could make a fairly convincing argument for Don Brash and his ilk’s utterances actually, genuinely being the adult psychological expression of unresolved infantile thwarting … in which case not only does Brash not speak for all Pakeha … He doesn’t speak for the majority of people other than himself because, arguably, most people resolve or integrate infantile thwarting or traumatic frustration reasonably well …

    The more I see, the more I become convinced of it. The petulant prima-dona attitude, the “misunderstood” hurty-feelings victimhood, the complete inability to listen and, perhaps above all, the narcissistic transference of his personal experience onto the rest of the world … even the ‘scripting’ of his message … It all tends to correlate with thwarted infant syndrome or infantile esotropia …

    “WITH TRAUMATIC FRUSTRATION, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE INFANTILE NEED? … Over time, thwarted infantile needs not only persist but become intensified …” (the site’s CAPS not mine) … https://books.google.co.nz/books?isbn=1461627311

    “Belatedly, he will have to grieve the reality of how initially enticing but ultimately rejecting his parent really was and how deeply deceived he has always felt”

    Translation: Belatedly, in adulthood, he will either have to grieve the reality of how initially enticing but ultimately rejecting – or incongruous – his own [internalized objects] or [externalized] ‘world view’ really is and how deeply deceived he constantly feels … or forever rail in denial against that reality …

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