Trump’s SOTU show

Donald Trump gave his State of the Union speech in the US yesterday. Written speeches like this are more PR exercises than anything, and nothing Trump says can be taken as set in stone. In fact he was typically contradictory, calling for unity as he continues to try to divide and conquer.

Trump asked for compromise but has shown little sign of wanting to compromise on his US-Mexico wall obsession.

“We must reject the politics of revenge, resistance and retribution — and embrace the boundless potential of cooperation, compromise and the common good”.

If Trump shows some sign of rejecting the politics of revenge, resistance and retribution then I might take those words seriously, but this sounds like are bizarre attempt at sounding grand by a speech writer that clashes with the image and acts of Trump.

From RealClear Politics:

For me political speeches like this don’t mean much other than providing a bit of carefully constructed rhetoric and theatre. It’s the actions of political leaders that matter.

From CNN: 5 key takeaways from Donald Trump’s State of the Union speech

The line likely to be quoted most — especially by Trump’s critics — from the speech was this one:

“If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. It just doesn’t work that way.”

It’s quite a line, given that Trump’s administration is in the midst of an investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, his company is in the midst of an investigation by the Southern District of New York and House Democrats are preparing a series of investigations into, among other things, Trump’s Cabinet, his taxes and the firing of FBI director James Comey.

It’s also a line that evokes a less-than-ideal comparison for Trump.

“I believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end,” said then-President Richard Nixon in his 1974 State of the Union speech. “One year of Watergate is enough.”

Trump doesn’t want it to work that way, but it is unlikely the Mueller investigation or any planned investigations by Congress will be deterred by Trump’s plaintive plea.

75 Comments

  1. sorethumb

     /  7th February 2019

    76% approval CNN. 72% Approve immigration aspect. 48% overall a Prova.

    • sorethumb

       /  7th February 2019

      Approval

      • sorethumb

         /  7th February 2019

        Drudge Report.

        • Duker

           /  7th February 2019

          Those Polls
          “But as CNN notes, Trump’s high approval ratings for his 2019 speech are due at least in part to the partisan nature of the audience. In fact, the speech had the “largest partisan tilt measured in any CNN instant poll following a presidential address to Congress back to 2001,”
          Speaking to the Converted.
          “In the latest CBS national poll released last month, 25 percent of Americans identified themselves as Republicans. Among those who watched Tuesday night’s address, that figure was 43 percent,”

        • Corky

           /  7th February 2019

          It’s not for nothing when Trumpy finished his speech…I stood and saluted . Hell, I’m not even American..and I dropped organic black rice on the carpet in the process.

          In my opinion he’s the greatest American president in living memory.

          • Gezza

             /  7th February 2019

            He certainly thinks so but then he’s the first one they’ve ever had who’s been an egotistical, bullying, bullshitting, patholgical liar and con man all in one. I don’t think they’ve ever had one before whose every utterance has to be fact checked because he has so little regard for the truth.

          • Duker

             /  7th February 2019

            Corky , you are lovely person . But you better hope some Brit travellers dont turn up on your doorstep offering to fix your roof..
            You can be so easily taken for a ride

            • Corky

               /  7th February 2019

              Thanks, Duke. I have staunch views. But I reckon I’m the loveliest person on this blog as you say.

            • Gezza

               /  7th February 2019

              I need to think about that one. I’ll get back to you Corks.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  7th February 2019

            that’s why I give zero fucks about your opinion.

          • Corky

             /  7th February 2019

            Pressure getting to you, Joe?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th February 2019

              Are you sure that the black rice was actually rice and not mouse calling cards ? They are the same size and shape.

            • Corky

               /  7th February 2019

              You wouldn’t know black rice if you fell over it. Don’t talk about things you know nothing about.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th February 2019

              I am most unlikely to do so; perhaps you are small enough to fall over a grain of rice. 😀

              I know what it is, but prefer rice not to look like mouse poo; who knows what’s in it ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th February 2019

              If it’s called something like Riz au Merde de Souris, I’d be inclined to avoid it.

            • Corky

               /  7th February 2019

              A grain of rice is way larger than any mouse poop I have seen. Your penchant for exaggeration knows no bounds.

              By the way: ”penchant” does not sound the way it’s written

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th February 2019

              Bien entendu; ce n’est pas un mot anglais. Cela se voit. Quelle blague, c’est ridicule.

              It’s a French word, bien entendu.

              Have you just discovered that it’s not pronounced pen (as in biro) chant (as in sing) ? One doesn’t need to have learned French to know that. I bet that you had to look up the French words. It’s from the French word pencher.

              You must have seen some very large grains of rice. Rice is very similar in size to mouse poo. Perhaps you’re thinking of rice bubbles ?

            • Corky

               /  7th February 2019

              😃 …except for the mouse poop being the size of rice grains. Not so in my experience. Maybe I have vegan mice?

  2. Duker

     /  7th February 2019

    Largest part of the Speech was : Trump bragging about Trump. he would speak then wait for the applause…repeat…
    Oh , and No Investigations as if that might ‘slow the economy’

  3. David

     /  7th February 2019

    Nit picking critics are clutching, couple of mentions in an hour plus speech and its all about Mueller.
    There was a lot on the remarkable health of the US economy, figures like the lowest unemployment rate for blacks, hispanics, asians, women and the disabled which are real and tangible and should be celebrated. The acknowledgement of the greatest representation of women in Congress and that 58% of new jobs have gone to women.
    He also touched on the horror of people trafficking where the victims are nearly all women and children, he wants the caravans to stop where 1 in 3 women are raped or sexually assaulted.
    He celebrated the first serious criminal justice reform passed with support from both sides of the house and pointed to the states following the federal lead for long overdue reform.
    He spent time acknowledging the sacrifices made in the 2nd world war, the terrible toll war mongering in the middle east and the fullfilment of his promise to bring the soldiers home which is a contrast to every other republican president.
    That speech could have been made by Clinton or Obama with a couple of minor edits and it would have been widely celebrated. The 75% approval rating from most polls is testament to that.

    • Duker

       /  7th February 2019

      “The acknowledgement of the greatest representation of women in Congress”

      That was because of the Democratic wave that swept Pelosi into the Speakers chair.

      Minor edits ?
      The largest part of the speech was Trump talking about Trump

      • Gezza

         /  7th February 2019

        The amusing irony of the boast about the greatest number of women ever in Congress under his administration is that they are overwhelmingly Democrats and that was really obvious every time the tv cameras swept around the seated throng. There are very, very few women among the Republican seats. Republicans like to elect blokes.

        • Gezza

           /  7th February 2019

          Btw, Aljazeera’s Mike Hanna said the reference to the greatest number of women ever in Congress was an ad lib, that it wasn’t in the written speech. Haven’t checked if that’s correct yet.

          • Gezza

             /  7th February 2019

            No, Hanna was wrong – it’s in the speech transcript, unless this is an edited transcript post-delivery, which I think is unlikely as he ad-libbed to the Democrat women standing and applauding the women in the workforce remark with “Don’t sit; you are going to like this” before he mentioned there’s now the greatest ever number of women in Congress.

            “No one has benefitted more from our thriving economy than women, who have filled 58 percent of the new jobs created in the last year. All Americans can be proud that we have more women in the workforce than ever before — and exactly one century after the Congress passed the Constitutional amendment giving women the right to vote, we also have more women serving in the Congress than ever before.”

            • Duker

               /  7th February 2019

              Almost all the women- democrats
              Almost all the blacks- democrats
              almost all the hispanics – democrat
              All the Muslims, Buddhists- democrats
              Almost all the Jews- democrats ( those conservative christian republican primary voters might be the problem here)

            • Gezza

               /  7th February 2019

              Exactly. Doesn’t stop him attempting to take the credit for it though. Blazer’s right. He’s a Con artist.

          • Gezza

             /  7th February 2019

            Here are the ad libs from Politico’s speech and fact check:

            So let’s work together, compromise, and reach a deal that will truly make America safe. As we work to defend our people’s safety, we must also ensure our economic resurgence continues at a rapid pace. No one has benefited more from our thriving economy than women, who have filled 58% of the new jobs created in the last year.

            (APPLAUSE)

            Ad lib: You were not supposed to do that. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. All Americans can be proud that we have more women in the workforce than ever before.

            [THE ECONOMY
            This line likely came at the suggestion of first daughter and senior White House adviser Ivanka Trump. She has been laser-focused on issues involving equality for women in the workplace. Currently, she’s working with bipartisan lawmakers to develop a national paid family leave program.
            Gabby Orr]

            White House Reporter]

            (APPLAUSE)

            Don’t sit yet. You are going to like this.

            [These remarks, directed to newly elected female members of Congress, were not in the original script, but are likely to wind up among the most replayed of the evening. The president is at his best — and worst — when he veers off script.
            Eliana Johnson]

            (LAUGHTER)

            And exactly one century after Congress passed the constitutional amendment giving women the right to vote, we also have more women serving in Congress than ever before.

            (APPLAUSE)

            (CHANTING “USA”)

            That’s great.

            (LAUGHTER)

            Very great. And congratulations. That’s great. As part of our commitment to improving opportunity for women everywhere, this Thursday we are launching the first-ever government-wide initiative focused on economic empowerment for women in developing countries.

        • David

           /  7th February 2019

          Well isnt that bipartisan and inclusive and a message to Republicans to do better.

          • Gezza

             /  7th February 2019

            Nope. If he meant that he’d have said it. That’s him claiming credit for what the Democrats have achieved. As usual.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  7th February 2019

          However, Trump can proudly take credit for them all being elected…

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  7th February 2019

        “The acknowledgement of the greatest representation of women in Congress”

        That was because of the Democratic wave that swept Pelosi into the Speakers chair.

        Silly me. There was I thinking they must have been the best candidates.

        • Gezza

           /  7th February 2019

          Yup. Silly you. Next time get real.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  7th February 2019

            Ok, I’ll recognise the Democrats have been emasculated by Trump.

            • Gezza

               /  7th February 2019

              It looks more to me like Trump is being emasculated by the Democrats, tbh. We’ll see.

    • adamsmith1922

       /  7th February 2019

      There have been multiple errors documented in the speech, let alone the braggadocio and the threats – it’s hard to imagine any recent President saying some of this. Furthermore whenever he spoke about unity it was flat and his only energy was when he lied and spoke about the Border. Furthermore the chants at one stage by Republicans made it more like a rally than a SOTU. Therefore, I disagree with what you claim.

  4. Duker

     /  7th February 2019

    In just over two years since the election, we have launched an unprecedented economic boom, a boom that has rarely been seen before

    The jobs boom was under way, well before the election
    Other fraudulanet claims as put in NY Times
    ““The U.S. economy is growing almost twice as fast today as when I took office, and we are considered far and away the hottest economy anywhere in the world.”

    This is false.
    The American economy expanded at an annual rate of 3.5 percent in the third quarter of 2018. Growth in Latvia and Poland was almost twice as fast. Same for China and India. Even the troubled Greek economy posted stronger growth.

    ““We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

    This is false.
    The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.

    etc etc
    Are these the minor edits you were thinking about?

    • adamsmith1922

       /  7th February 2019

      Absolutely so,indeed multiple fact-checking from multiple sources makes those points. It was an appalling display.

  5. Patzcuaro

     /  7th February 2019

    The SOTU was pure theatre, the script could have been written in Hollywood. There were goodies such as WW2 veterans, an astronaut, first responders and survivors of mass shootings, cancer patients, a boy bullied because of his name who fell asleep, there were even angels all dressed in white. Then there were baddies such as abortionists and illegal immigrants. And at the centre, the sheriff, ready to defend the town his town, heal spurs and all.

    Are well back to reality today.

    • Gezza

       /  7th February 2019

      She chews him up and spits him out. He’s done for.

      • Corky

         /  7th February 2019

        She has the wood on him, no doubt. However, Trump doesn’t deserve the name ”Trump” unless he’s working on a plan to derail her.

        Pelosi needs to remember the longer you dance with the devil..more is the likelihood you’ll get your toes crushed.

        • Gezza

           /  7th February 2019

          She’s got him shitting bricks, Corks. She’s smart. And Trump’s not.

          • Corky

             /  7th February 2019

            You forget, win or lose, Trumpy has already won. He’s changed American politics forever.

            However, I really hope he deals to Pelosi. She’s a journey-woman. Of no note in my opinion. She has nothing to offer America..apart from pre Trump fare.

            She’s how I envisage Kitty would look and act in real life.

            • Gezza

               /  7th February 2019

              You forget, win or lose, Trumpy has already won. He’s changed American politics forever.

              Forever? How so? A rank outsider & con artist got elected and has divided the entire country, lies like a flatfish, and made everybody else in the world even more suspicious of entering any agreements with the USA because they can’t be trusted to keep them, and reminded everyone that the US demands that its interests are paramount anywhere in the world. He epitomises Amerika Uber Alles and The Ugly American.

              When he goes, America being what it is, and Americans being as dumbed down as they are by American culture (epitomised by Trump) I see no reason why the political structure won’t simply return to its bought and paid for awful normal.

            • Corky

               /  7th February 2019

              ”Forever? How so? A rank outsider & con artist got elected and has divided the entire country.”

              How so? Honestly,I can’t put it into words. The proof of what I say will become evident when Trumpy is gone.

              I guess the best I can come up with is there has been a culture change, and people, especially the media, won’t be able to go back to ‘business as usual.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th February 2019

              The insults about Nancy Pelosi and me were childish; I bet that you were sniggering as you wrote them.

              All that told me was that you find intelligent, articulate women a threat, as the painful contrast between them and shows your own inadequacy. They show up your own bluff and bullshit, as is demonstrated by your tantrums and abuse when your nonsense is disproved (a case in point being the rubbish about your ‘niece’ and WINZ recently. It was easily shown to be lies by a look at the WINZ website)

              Are you quite sure that you know the meaning of ‘journey’ in that sense (as in journeyman) ? It doesn’t sound like it.

            • Corky

               /  7th February 2019

              ”In boxing, kickboxing and mixed martial arts, a journeyman is a fighter who has adequate skill but is not of the caliber of a contender or gatekeeper. Outside of combat sports, a “journeyman” is a trader or craftsman who has completed an apprenticeship, but is not at the level of a master craftsman.”

          • Duker

             /  7th February 2019

            Trump thinks hes smart – greatest ever- but isnt , but the negotiating is led by his son in law Kushner , who too thinks hes a smart negotiator but in reality is a doofus regarding political negotiations.
            What is it about real estate people , they think it carries over to real world . example is our real estate flippers who comment here. Just because the Golden Rule works in their favour they think -I can do anything.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th February 2019

        That condescending clap was brilliant.

        • Gezza

           /  7th February 2019

          She sleeps well at night while he’s still up in the small hours downing cheeseburgers and ranting about her on Twitter I bet.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  7th February 2019

            Yes, indeed, I can’t believe that she is old enough to be my mother !

  6. Gezza

     /  7th February 2019

    I watched Stacy Abrams’ Democrat’s response to the State of the Union as well.

    Here’s Politico’s fact check and transcript
    https://www.politico.com/interactives/2019/stacey-abrams-state-of-the-union-2019-response-fact-check-transcript-2/5/19/

    • High Flying Duck

       /  7th February 2019

  7. Zedd

     /  7th February 2019

    “Amazing, Spectacular, Tremendous, Fantastic… BEST EVER !”

    at least thats likely what mrT thinks ? 😀

    • Gezza

       /  7th February 2019

      Not sure if it’s the longest ever. Probably he was aiming for that. Aljaz tv said last night that Bill Clinton gave one that was 90 minutes long too.

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  7th February 2019

    A pretty reasonable speech by rational accounts. Of course since it was Trump it sends the Lefties into paralytic appoplectic hostility. Nothing new there.

  9. Joe Bloggs

     /  7th February 2019

    My favourite trumpy bit? “If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation” Like no-one’s ever heard of law AND order. Closely following by him claiming the glory for a blue wave of Democratic women coming into the house.

    The rest was just an hour and a half full of empty rhetoric, word salads, and dog whistling to his base… who lapped up every morsel he threw their way. trump hasn’t evolved, progressed, mellowed, learned, or achieved anything in all his tenure other than to separate the American community into the intellectual elite on one side, and he and his equally brain-dead supporters on the other side.

    Meanwhile back in realityland, just to remind everyone what a devious thief and corrupt person trump is:

    – the House Intelligence Committee has launched an investigation into money laundering and financial compromise related to the business interests of trump, his family, and his associates

    – SDNY has subpoena’ed financial records from the trump inaugural committee, investigating false statements, mail fraud, wire fraud, disclosure violations, illegal donations from foreigners, and money laundering

    – EDNY is separately investigating whether inaugural officials helped foreigners illegally funnel donations to trump’s inaugural committee using straw donors to disguise their donations

    Then there is Mueller’s investigation and the countdown to donnie junior’s Mueller indictment has begun. The House Intelligence Committee has voted to turn over the transcripts of witness testimony to Mueller for his perjury investigation.

    Yet there are people who still stand and applaud his every step. It’s incredulous watching the declining standards that Americans and others have applied to this president.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th February 2019

      Agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence. That includes abandonment of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. As you just did.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  7th February 2019

        well that’s ironic… and hypocritical – coming from you, Alan.

        You were happy to jump all over Avenatti when he was arrested on charges of domestic violence… turns out all charges were dropped. You abandoned the presumption of innocence until proven guilty for him.

        And you know as well as I do that there’s plenty of evidence of guilt on trumpy’s side.

        – like being specifically named in the Cohen indictment as an unindicted co-conspirator.

        – then there’s the closure of the trump foundation because of its patterns of illegality – including unlawful coordination with the trump presidential campaign…

        &c.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  7th February 2019

          Prosecutors say he still may be charged:

          What happened to his presidential prospects? If I recall right that was the point of my comment about his arrest and remains valid. Cool to see you on the other side if the #metoo argument though when it doesn’t suit your politics.

        • Pink David

           /  7th February 2019

          “You were happy to jump all over Avenatti when he was arrested on charges of domestic violence… turns out all charges were dropped. ”

          What the hell? A woman accused, so a woman should be believed!

          ” You abandoned the presumption of innocence until proven guilty for him.”

          This is your standard, it has been firmly established that due process is obsolete, and a woman’s word is all that matters.

  10. High Flying Duck

     /  7th February 2019

    It seems unless you are a Democrat, the speech was extremely well received.
    Many trying to spin it otherwise. Except that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who was just spinning.

  11. David

     /  7th February 2019

    76% approval rating for the speech…and that is among Americans which is something some of the commentators here might just pause for 10 seconds and contemplate what do Americans living in America know that I dont.

    • Gezza

       /  7th February 2019

      How to applaud celebrities for saying anything that includes saying the US is the greatest country in the world.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  7th February 2019

        U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

        • High Flying Duck

           /  7th February 2019

          Or so the Dems chanted apparently.

          • Gezza

             /  7th February 2019

            Er … pretty much everybody did. More than once. They’re all boof-heads like that.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  7th February 2019

              I’m looking forward to all of Parliament rising for a resounding chant of “Kiwi!, Kiwi!, Kiwi!” after the next robust question time.
              We can all then vomit a little into our mouths…