Pope Francis admits of abuse of nuns, sexual slavery

The Catholic Church has struggling with huge problems due to the exposure of sexual abuse by priests over decades if not centuries.

For some time the church, and more recently Pope Francis, have been criticised for doing far too little about the problems.  But the Pope has brought up another dirty secret in the church.

BBC:  Pope admits clerical abuse of nuns including sexual slavery

Pope Francis has admitted that clerics have sexually abused nuns, and in one case they were kept as sex slaves.

He said in that case his predecessor, Pope Benedict, was forced to shut down an entire congregation of nuns who were being abused by priests.

Last November, the Catholic Church’s global organisation for nuns denounced the “culture of silence and secrecy” that prevented them from speaking out.

The female congregation dissolved in 2005 under Pope Benedict was the Community of St Jean, which was based in France, Alessandro Gisotti of the Vatican press office told CBS News.

In 2013, the Community of St Jean admitted that priests had behaved “in ways that went against chastity” with several women in the order, according to the French Roman Catholic newspaper La Croix.

In a separate case in India last year, a bishop was arrested over allegations that he raped a nun 13 times between 2014 and 2016.

Bishop Franco Mulakkal, who headed the diocese in Jalandhar in the northern state of Punjab, has denied the accusations.

In Chile, reports of abuse of nuns carried out by priests led the Vatican to launch an investigation last year. The women were reportedly removed from the order after highlighting the abuse.

Last year, the Associated Press news agency reported cases of abuse in Italy and Africa.

Just days ago the Vatican’s women’s magazine, Women Church World, condemned the abuse, saying in some cases nuns were forced to abort priests’ children – something Catholicism forbids.

Pope Francis has admitted…

…that clerics have sexually abused nuns, and in one case they were kept as sex slaves.

He said in that case his predecessor, Pope Benedict, was forced to shut down an entire congregation of nuns who were being abused by priests.

It is thought to be the first time that Pope Francis has acknowledged the sexual abuse of nuns by the clergy.

He said the Church was attempting to address the problem but said it was “still going on”.

Speaking to reporters while on a historic tour of the Middle East on Tuesday, the pontiff admitted that the Church had an issue, and the roots lay in society “seeing women as second class”.

He said that priests and bishops had abused nuns, but said the Church was aware of the “scandal” and was “working on it”, adding that a number of clerics had been suspended.

“It’s a path that we’ve been on,” he said.

“Pope Benedict had the courage to dissolve a female congregation which was at a certain level, because this slavery of women had entered it – slavery, even to the point of sexual slavery – on the part of clerics or the founder.”

Pope Francis said sexual abuse of nuns was an ongoing problem, but happened largely in “certain congregations, predominantly new ones”.

“I think it’s still taking place because it’s not as though the moment you become aware of something it goes away.”

While shocking it isn’t surprising that nuns have also been victims of abuse.

More shocking is the Pope’s admission that “”I think it’s still taking place”.

CBS News: Pope Francis confirms priests’ abuse of nuns included “sexual slavery”

The pontiff conceded that it was a problem and said more action was needed. He insisted the will to confront the abuse is there, and stressed that the problem is not new, and that the Church has been working to address it for some time.

“It’s a path that we’ve been on. Pope Benedict had the courage to dissolve a female congregation which was at a certain level, because this slavery of women had entered it — slavery, even to the point of sexual slavery — on the part of clerics or the founder,” the pope conceded.

Alessandro Gisotti, interim director of the Vatican press center, later confirmed to CBS News that the order of nuns dissolved under Benedict was the Community of St. Jean in France. The reason the order was dissolved had not previously been made public.

That was in 2005. Shut down due to sexual slavery. Kept secret.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

And why is the church “working on it”? More importantly, why aren’t the police working on it? Have the Catholic priests, bishops and pope learned nothing from the unravelling scourge of scandals?

The Catholic Church has lost all moral credibility.

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  1. Gezza

     /  8th February 2019

    The Catholic Church has lost all moral credibility.

    Absolutely. If this was any other corporation or charity it would have been forced by responsible authorities around the world to fold up up its tent & cease operations & the perps & many executives who knew of the offending & failed to report the perpetrators, would likely all be in jail. Certainly they’d be so widely boycotted they’d probably financially collapse anyway. It’s utterly beyond me how Catholics can continue to believe in & support their bosses.

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    • Duker

       /  8th February 2019

      The religious communities are self governing. Its like local councils in NZ or school boards of trustees , some of which have been replaced by commissioners because they are dysfunctional.
      Do you kill off the 80 or so Councils or the 2500 boards of trustees because small numbers ?
      The group that was dis-established was a splinter group of a fairly recent community (1982)

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      • Gezza

         /  8th February 2019

        Are you for real? You think Councils are like Christian Churches? You think Councils recruit believers who think the Mayor is God? Able to work miracles, heal the sick and raise the dead? Give instruction on what good and evil God hath wrought and what he expects from his talking Great Apes? Existing on bloody donations? Making the ratepayers attend Chambers on bloody Sundays?

        Too right I think the entire Catholic Church ought to be given the elbow by its followers.

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        • Duker

           /  8th February 2019

          No I just said Councils , school boards etc are self governing. Its you thats full of hyperbole. The Government lays down rules for these entities …shock .. they arent always followed.
          The ‘Church’ like the government will only intervene after problems have emerged

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          • Gezza

             /  8th February 2019

            Sorry, your Grace. I didn’t realise it was you. I still think your Church and faith are deluded and dodgy and you’d be better off just standing for Mayor.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  8th February 2019

      The whole point of religion is blind faith and a lack of questioning.
      There is a large constituent of people looking to be led, and they will accept almost anything in return for being part of the flock.

      Jim Jones and the WACO Branch Davidians are good examples.

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      • Gezza

         /  8th February 2019

        Early indoctrination is important but these days a standard education seems to cure it. Once you learn a bit of basic earth science, physics and biology – and logic – and then read the blimmin Bible cover to cover, that seems to do the trick for most of us. Not being able to understand how the universe began when everything else we know of seems to have had a beginning is the fundamental hook for them, I think. Although for me it’s an issue of if the universe HAD to have a creator then logically so did the creator, so you are still back at well, why can’t universes just have always existed. Besides, God’s communication strategy has been absolutely bloody appalling.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  8th February 2019

          It’s all a metaphor Gezz. Except for the literal bits – they are important. But the stuff that is too fantastical is definitely a metaphor.
          Begat that!

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          • Gezza

             /  8th February 2019

            If Jaweh had any brains he’d have given Adam & Eve a bloody video camera.

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            • Gezza

               /  8th February 2019

              And if you research back into the history of Christianity you soon discover that the parts of the Bible now described as metaphor only became so claimed once knowledge and science had advanced to the point where it was obviously complete bs. It was necessary to seek to find a way to make it somehow still valid. Sort of.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  8th February 2019

              Check youporn. If they did have a camera, it will be on there.
              They did a lot of begating back in those days because the Almighty had not yet invented Netflix.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  8th February 2019

              Begetting. Begat is past perfect.

  2. Mother

     /  8th February 2019

    You sound a bit incredulous PG.

    Catholicism is one of life’s frustrations for sure. It was warned about by St Paul. It won’t go away until the very end. In the meantime I think people will continue to be attracted to it as a means to trying to be Christian in their own strength. It could possibly enjoy a resurgence in Aotearoa.

    In Lance O’Sullivan’s book ‘A Good Doctor’ he describes his spiritual joining of Maori paganism and Catholicism.

    People will always search. It’s innate in us. And it’s a huge part of Aotearoa’s history which we would do well to face.

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    • Blazer

       /  8th February 2019

      The Catholics aren’t the only sect to practice debauchery….seem to be the most prolific though.

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    • Gezza

       /  8th February 2019

      It could possibly enjoy a resurgence in Aotearoa.
      I had afternoon tea with maybe a dozen Marist priests at their home in Welly a little over a year ago. One of them told me, quite candidly, all the Catholic congregations in Wellington have markedly shrunk.

      One diocese, he told me, has so few remaining parishoners the congregation is almost entirely made up of immigrants from Cambodia & the Philippines.

      There is a crisis in recruiting enuf priests here to cover the existing churches just for Sunday Masses. At the funeral of one of them we had just attended there were about 20 priests. They were all late middle aged to elderly & the late middle aged numbered only 2. There were no young priests.

      The Catholic Church here could only experience a resurgence through immigration.

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      • Duker

         /  8th February 2019

        A diocese doesnt ‘have’ parishioners , thats a parish. A diocese may have dozens of parishes.
        Same applies to all the mainline churches , especially in long established ‘european’ areas.

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        • Gezza

           /  8th February 2019

          Thank you. A diocese is a district for which a bishop is responsible, so AFAIC there are parishioners in it because it has multiple parishes. You may sit down again now.

          He was referring to a particular parish but I think congregations are in general decline in numbers of native-born Kiwis across all or most parishes here, and it’s also the case up where I come from in Taranaki.

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          • Duker

             /  8th February 2019

            Brian Tamaki’s ‘prosperity’ based faith and church is doing well.

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            • Gezza

               /  8th February 2019

              Yes. I heard God intends him to rule us all or something.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  8th February 2019

              God wants him to have that brand new car…and bike…and house…and facelift.

            • PartisanZ

               /  8th February 2019

              And lead an intimidating-looking motorbike gang …

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  8th February 2019

              Well, the prophecy by another bishop was on their website for all to see.

              I am sceptical of some of these claims, especially the sex slaves ones, and I was brought up by parents from Ulster who were anything but fans of the Catholic church !

      • Duker

         /  8th February 2019

        Lunch with a dozen marist priests ? Who would really do that, unless they too were at a ‘reunion’ of priest or brothers who went through a seminary together.
        Did you begin ( or finish) training for the Marist priesthood or the Marcellin Marist teaching Brothers at some stage ages ago ?

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        • Gezza

           /  8th February 2019

          Yes, it is unusual. Never happened before. Now that I think about it, it was afternoon tea.

          Who would really do that?

          All my siblings and partners and cousins and aunties and uncles on my late mother’s side were invited back there. We’d been at a Marist priest’s funeral.

          You might be able to work the answer out from that.

          Have a think.

          Get back to me.

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          • Duker

             /  8th February 2019

            Why not give that detail, from ‘having afternoon tea’ – which sounds like you were especially invited – to a together after a priest who was family members funeral..
            have you never been to funerals before . Young people who die have lots of friends the same age. very elderly people who die have people the same age.
            The fact that the priests were elderly was because….. get back to me on that one.

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            • Gezza

               /  8th February 2019

              Because he was a Marist priest. It wasn’t twenty priests, I’ve been reminded. It was 40. All those Marist priests who could come from everywhere in NZ came & those needed elsewhere left to fly or drive back home afterward. Still only those two middle agers there. All the rest were old. The priests were elderly and there were no younger ones because young Catholics here are not entering seminaries to study and train for the priesthood, or the few who do so pile on out before getting Holy Orders. I know two who jacked it in from my school days, and of none who made it through. They all ended up marrying & having kids (good to see they did it in that order). One’s still a Catholic and active as a lay member, but his kids aren’t. The other, I dunno. Haven’t heard of him for yonks. Became a traffic cop.

              This failure to be able to attract new priests has been a trend since at least the 70’s, in all likelihood

            • Duker

               /  8th February 2019

              yes I looked it up. he was a former provincial of the Marist order.
              And get back to me about who isnt training for the priesthood at the Marist seminary in Auckland – Hepburn St Ponsonby
              https://www.maristseminary.org.nz/

            • Gezza

               /  8th February 2019

              Get back to me with the numbers who pass out. Also their immigration or citizenship status.

    • Griff.

       /  8th February 2019

      Speak for your self mother.
      Atheism is the way forward for humanity.
      Your bronze age cult is declining by the day. We are no longer a majority christian nation.
      Blindly worshiping magic sky pixies is a primitive hold over from a time of ignorance.
      Stop tax benefits for god whacking organizations. Promulgating a belief in supernatural gods is not a benefit for a rational society

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      • Mother

         /  8th February 2019

        I agree with your tax comment Griff. Church should be totally separate from state. Church fellowships have no mandate for charity status.

        Church will never die. You have no idea of how powerful is Church. There is nothing else like Church on earth.

        Scoff whoever wants to mock. It always was the way that the Saviour would be misaligned. We’re just so blessed in Aotearoa that we are not persecuted for freedom of religion. Worldwide, Christians are the most persecuted.

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      • Mother

         /  8th February 2019

        “Atheism is the way forward for humanity.”

        If only. But it’s not possible.

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    • Corky

       /  8th February 2019

      Right across the world Catholicism and pagan native religions are joined to make some unusual sects. Santería for example.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  8th February 2019

        The Brian Tamaki Prophesy (sic) is on YouTube 😀

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  8th February 2019

          ‘Brian Tamaki’s We Will Rule NZ Prophesy (sic)’

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          • Mother

             /  8th February 2019

            Making prophesies like that is hurtful. Pentecostals have a tendency to throw around ‘prophesies’ for individuals too. Horrible. They should keep out of other people’s head space. They are proven hypocrites every time a ‘prophesy’ fails.

            There is only one prophet now days – Jesus Christ. That’s how it’s been since He spent time on earth.

            I have no problem with the gift of prophesy. But when people inevitably get it wrong, they forget their need to admit their error. Mr Tamaki is hurting people.

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  3. Finbaar Rustle

     /  8th February 2019

    Feel sorry for Catholics here.
    99% of priests act in appropriate ways for a 1000 years
    but we only hear about the 1% who don’t.
    Every other Church practices abuse so why the focus on Catholics?
    Bill Cosby Rolf Harris much loved popular entertainers.
    Tip of the iceberg
    The greater question is how deep does abuse run in society?
    I believe abuse in one form or other happens in every family in the world bar none.
    Everyone on the planet is an abuser or abused in one way or another.
    Minority bashing (Catholics) helps deflects attention away from
    the fact that abuse happens every where in all societies.
    No society and no individual is exempt.
    The Eurythmics song released in 1983 makes interesting points.
    “Sweet dreams are made of this
    Who am I to disagree?
    I travel the world
    And the seven seas,
    Everybody’s looking for something.
    Some of them want to use you
    Some of them want to get used by you
    Some of them want to abuse you
    Some of them want to be abused”

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    • Blazer

       /  8th February 2019

      have you been a Catholic all your life…Finbaar?

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      • Finbaar Rustle

         /  8th February 2019

        No I was Christened a C. of E. Sent to Sunday school a couple of years when I was about 6-7 in the early ’60’s when most kids were “sent” to Sunday school. Lost interest after that when I realized God was just Santa Clause for adults.

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        • Mother

           /  8th February 2019

          The Anglicans are just as crazy, lazy, cruel.

          One young man I know says that the trouble with all the different denominations is that they’re trying to attract people.

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  4. Finbaar Rustle

     /  8th February 2019

    The article headlines sexual slavery yet in the
    article itself it refers to “ONE” case .
    One case over a 1000 years among billions of Catholics.
    Farcical reporting as usual but all the tut tutings from the comment section.
    ” Told you so they are all like that”.
    Political and media 101
    Don’t ever challenge your audience.
    They don’t like that.
    Reinforcing prejudice and ignorance works.
    To be fair 99% of people seek out their particular source of prejudice.
    The comfort bubble of ignorance.
    So you can’t always blame the messenger.
    They just selling what the market demands.
    Ignorance is bliss….so I read some where.
    Probably is.
    May be I should try it some time?
    Heck maybe I could sell it and make money.
    Now there’s a thought.

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    • Griff.

       /  8th February 2019

      You think this is the only case?
      Where have you been ?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_by_country

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      • Finbaar Rustle

         /  8th February 2019

        Look at sexual abuse world wide in every country on the planet going back to the stone age. Where ever there are women where ever there are man sexual abuse of some form or another happens all day every day. It’s the nature of the beast.

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        • Griff.

           /  8th February 2019

          Catholic?
          You really have to add the abuse of not only women but little boys as well.
          What gets many is Christendom holds it self up as the arbitrator of moral behavior for humanity.
          When they are just as bad as the rest of us… if not worse.
          You dont see the hypocrisy?
          Christianity has lost moral authority because it has been proven to have no morals.

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          • Finbaar Rustle

             /  8th February 2019

            Christianity has many fine morals.
            It needs updating.
            The Old Testament is far too laborious
            and too culturally fractious.
            The New testament works better for me.
            But the NT also needs simplifying.
            Mathew Mark Luke and John for example are the same story tho each is from a different writer and aimed at a different audience.
            Take God, Virgin birth Heaven and Hell
            out of the equation and I’m on board but
            doubt any church would have me.
            Which is a shame because many of the basic tenets of the New Testament have stood the test of time.

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            • Mother

               /  8th February 2019

              My Church fellowship would have you Mr Rustle. We would have anyone so long as they’re not sexually deviant.

              We’re overdue for asking questions. There’s only one head in our fellowship and He’s happy with any genuine question.

  5. Blazer

     /  8th February 2019

    the trouble is that the 99% of priests that are deviants,spoil it for all the rest of…them.

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  8th February 2019

    A blatant PR diversion tactic on the part of the Pope … away from the abuse of powerless children compulsorily admitted to the ‘his’ church … and toward women who voluntarily joined it …

    Wow … Who would have guessed … Catholics ‘blame-implicating’ women …

    They’re even more fucked up than I thought.

    I wonder which ‘Agency’ they use?

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    • PartisanZ

       /  8th February 2019

      And heterosexual rather than homosexual abuse … not that one’s any more acceptable than the other … unless you’re Catholic …

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    • Duker

       /  8th February 2019

      “Catholics ‘blame-implicating’ women ”

      What were the Popes exact words where hes blaming women?

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      • Blazer

         /  8th February 2019

        ‘nail…Mary’.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  8th February 2019

        One instance of Nun abuse does not two millenia of altar-boy and choir-boy abuse obfuscate.

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        • Duker

           /  8th February 2019

          Thats different …. you were claiming the Catholics blamed the victims in these instances of priests and nuns.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  8th February 2019

            IMHO, for a Catholic adherent, blame-implication goes hand-in-glove with anything female …

            So yeah … to SOME degree …

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            • Duker

               /  8th February 2019

              So you have ‘some words’ that say that ?

            • Griff.

               /  8th February 2019

              Yaeh its all That Eves fault.
              She eat the snake or something……

            • PartisanZ

               /  8th February 2019

              Duker, pedantry surpassing even Gerrit’s …

              One hyphenated word actually … “blame-implicating” … rather than “blaming” … hence … “some degree” …

            • Duker

               /  8th February 2019

              If it was abuse of parishioners, children in schools or institutions, that would be a good call. But this was specifically nuns by priests.
              I think there is a specific religious order, who’s mission is to ‘serve priests’, and of course that splinter group mentioned.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  8th February 2019

        Its a religion thing – that’s why Muslim women have to wear Hijabs, because otherwise they are simply asking to be sexually assaulted.
        A good honour killing is needed when the ladies step out of line. It’s mainly the Muslims who do that, but Sikhs and Hindu’s also get in on the act.
        Christians are a little sexist, but are miles behind acknowledging the reality that women are fundamentally and obviously to blame for any sexual activity, consensual or not and should be punished.
        /Sarc for clarity…

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        • Mother

           /  8th February 2019

          Christians should talk about sex more and more. World peace depends upon it/Sarc for clarity.

          At least, Aotearoa’s uniqueness and our safety depends upon moving on re sex and equality in general. The church fellowships are way behind. People should ditch them fast and really start thinking about what our values are.

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