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10 February 2019

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  1. Mother

     /  February 10, 2019

    I found this documentary very helpful. Don’t let the title or opening chat put you off.

    These scholars explain some Bible prophesies in regards Church history. They do it respectfully and intelligently.

    • Blazer

       /  February 10, 2019

      the Devil is in the…detail..

    • PartisanZ

       /  February 10, 2019

      Makes a lot of sense Mother …

      Perhaps the sexual abuse scandal will be a second “mortal wound” the Papacy can never recover from?

      • Mother

         /  February 10, 2019

        I need to watch that doc again.

        I wondered how a mortal wound could not be a definitive end. What’s to stop the Antichrist from reviving indefinitely?

        I would be relieved to see Catholicism disintegrate in Aotearoa. That religion is harming the Maori and our quest for social unity. The Protestants are wishy washy in ecumenicalism, and contribute to the mess. The factions within Protestants are either power hungry or wearily oppressed. Those riding on the back of our past ‘good’ values have their heads in the sand. The ‘right’ Christians have too much to learn.

        It really is time for Christians (and Christian sympathisers) to quietly become the Uncomplaining Courageous.

        I don’t give much obvious thought to the devil. I focus on the free grace I have in Christ.

        If we don’t, as individuals, at this time take heed to our need to figure out what are our values, I predict that Catholicism will become stronger in Aotearoa. Then we will miss our chance for social unity.

        Please note, that I have never said that Catholics are not Christians.

        I’m a Christian. Apart from that, (and knowing that Peter Noble is not my brother in Christ) I leave each person to themselves in deciding how far they wish to take Christianity.

  2. Corky

     /  February 10, 2019

    Listening to talkback on Friday, a caller rang in and said authorities were being a bit pedantic with the way they were treating some people ( re the fires).

    Seems the caller was correct.Saturdays TV news had farmers upset they hadn’t been allowed back onto their properties to check livestock. Authorities later relented and allowed farmers half an hour 😃 to check their properties.

    Why? If farmers want to stay on their farms..let them. If they die..so what? They made a choice; they must live with the consequences.

    The TV news show people milling around; some upset, some confused, as the fires turned their lives upside down.

    I couldn’t help thinking while looking at these people, and considering actions by authorities, that we are ill prepared for any major terrorist attack. How can we be..we live in paradise.

    • Blazer

       /  February 10, 2019

      excerpt from Paradise Lost-Milton..

      ‘Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky
      With hideous ruin and combustion down
      To bottomless perdition, there to dwell
      In adamantine chains and penal fire,
      Who durst defy the Omnipotent to arms.
      Nine times the space that measures day and night
      To mortal men, he with his horrid crew
      Lay vanquished, rolling in the fiery gulf
      Confounded though immortal: But his doom
      Reserved him to more wrath; for now the thought
      Both of lost happiness and lasting pain
      Torments him; round he throws his baleful eyes
      That witnessed huge affliction and dismay
      Mixed with obdurate pride and steadfast hate:
      At once as far as angels ken he views
      The dismal situation waste and wild,
      A dungeon horrible, on all sides round
      As one great furnace flamed, yet from those flames
      No light, but rather darkness visible
      Served only to discover sights of woe,
      Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
      And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
      That comes to all; but torture without end
      Still urges, and a fiery Deluge, fed
      With ever-burning sulfur unconsumed:
      Such place eternal justice had prepared
      For those rebellious, here their prison ordained
      In utter darkness, and their portion set
      As far removed from God and light of Heaven
      As from the center thrice to the utmost pole.
      Oh how unlike the place from whence they fell!
      There the companions of his fall, overwhelmed
      With floods and whirlwinds of tempestuous fire,
      He soon discerns, and weltering by his side
      One next himself in power, and next in crime,’

      • Corky

         /  February 10, 2019

        I have heard of this poem..but never read it. This Milton dude was a wordsmith extraordinaire.

        ”As one great furnace flamed, yet from those flames
        No light, but rather darkness visible.”

        Now that’s good.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 10, 2019

          Talk about bathos.

          He was one of the greatest poets in the English language. His works aren’t ‘good’, he was a genius and his works show it, They are brilliant.

          Blazer, in one anthology Adam’s Hymn from Paradise Lost was followed by a nauseating ‘poem’ that begins something like ‘If I was Dod up in ve sky, I’ll tell you vat :I’d do’…’
          Imagine the effect on the unsuspecting reader when they turned the page.

          I am lucky enough to have his works in a lovely c.19 version. We read it (PL) with Don McKenzie at Vic, lucky us !

          • Corky

             /  February 10, 2019

            Yes, well, if half the cake is missing, naturally it will be a let down, especially if you haven’t read the full poem before.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              There is rather more than half the ‘cake’ missing. In paperback it’s 368 to 500+ pages. My Milton is a largish h/b with very thin paper.

              It’s an epic, not just a poem.

              Happy reading. I’ll be interested to hear your views on it.

            • Blazer

               /  February 11, 2019

              ‘an excerpt’…

            • Corky

               /  February 11, 2019

              Quite!

          • Corky

             /  February 10, 2019

            Ah, so when you speak to me it’s lingua franca for you..something to help me understand my ignorance.😉

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              A lingua franca cannot apply to only one person by definition.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              A lingua franca is one that is agreed upon by people whose native languages are different as its name suggests. I believe that the EU has French for its lingua franca.

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              ”A lingua franca cannot apply to only one person by definition.”

              That is correct.. but you have, by design, entered into an agreed language with me, by talking down to me. I did not agree to this.

              As you can see, I’ve taken some liberty with the meaning. However, everything should be quite understandable.

  3. Gezza

     /  February 10, 2019

    The fun kicks off this week

    The House has approved the sitting calendar for 2019:

    February 12, 13, 14, 19, 20, and 21;
    March 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 19, 20, and 21;
    April 2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11, and 30;
    May 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 21, 22, 23, 28, 29, and 30;
    June 11, 12, 13, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, and 27;
    July 23, 24, 25, 30, and 31;
    August 1, 6, 7, 8, 20, 21, 22, 27, 28, and 29;
    September 10, 11, 12, 17, 18, 19, 24, 25, and 26;
    October 15, 16, 17, 22, 23, and 24;
    November 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 19, 20, and 21;
    December 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 17, 18, and 19.

    The House must sit for around 90 days in the year, with the first day being no later than the last Tuesday in February.

    • Corky

       /  February 10, 2019

      I go to a family run dentist ( no amalgam used). The prices I get charged are nowhere near as steep as those my rellies are charged in Auckland. For example, a clean and check with x-rays costs me $100 . The Auckland prices vary between $200 &300.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 10, 2019

        Tell the rellies to check out Grab One.

        • Corky

           /  February 10, 2019

          Personal experience? Average prices?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 10, 2019

            Not personal experience, but the prices start at $69, I have just looked.

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              For what? The price starts at $69.

              ”For example, a clean and check with x-rays costs me $100 .”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              For the same thing, of course, as should be obvious.

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              ”Not personal experience, but the prices start at $69, I have just looked.”

              Really. Post the price. That’s not what I read.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              I can’t help what you read or don’t read.

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              Starts at $69. That’s not a firm price. Imagine ( try for a moment) you go to your dentist and he says ” Kitty, the price will start at $69..happy with that?😃

              Er, you wouldn’t would you..accept that non quote?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              If you’d read on., you’d see that anything else that needs doing would cost more.

              You really are a tiresome little man.

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              Read on? There is nothing to read on with. You have posted nothing. That’s what is tiresome. Not me. You are telling your story…remember?

  4. Corky

     /  February 10, 2019

    Systemic bullying alleged at Oranga Tamariki. This doesn’t surprise me one little bit. I have my suspicions about what’s happened. As if a name change was ever going to change an organisations culture.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110442136/worksafe-responding-to-oranga-tamarikiministry-for-children-bullying-complaint

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 10, 2019

      Does Stuff not count as the MSM you sneered at me for preferring to talkback ?

      • Corky

         /  February 10, 2019

        Prattish point. But then when you trying to point score, inanities always creep in.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 10, 2019

          You were the one who sneered at me for (you assumed) preferring ‘MSM’ to getting my information from talkback radio; it’s all right, it seems, for you to quote ‘MSM’. How is this prattish, when those who who prefer MSM to talkback were derided by you ?

          • Corky

             /  February 10, 2019

            Wrong. I sneered at you for your skewered criticism of talkback, some of it patently false.

            It beggars belief you’d think I get all my information/news for talkback radio. when any idiot knows that isn’t possible.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              Rubbish, that is not what you said; not everyone has as short a memory as you have, You were sneering at the idea that someone would get information from ‘MSM’, not talkback. Reread your own comment, if you have forgotten it already.

    • Duker

       /  February 10, 2019

      that seems to be some time back – some years.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 10, 2019

        Skewered ? Do you mean skewed ?

        Your memory is so obviously at fault here that I would suggest that you take something for it.

        • Corky

           /  February 10, 2019

          Wrong place, but very fortuitous. Duke will now realise why I said he shouldn’t take his lead from you.

          Who wants to be associated with someone forced to make fun of someone’s grammar because they have no cogent argument.? So much for being taught manners.

          Quote:

          ”There are convincing reasons to correct one’s grammar. … But unless you’re a language teacher or have been explicitly asked to help, lay off the grammar lessons in general conversation. That brings us to why it’s generally rude to correct the grammar of others.”

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 10, 2019

            Those who dish it out ought to be able to take it.

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              True..but I don’t correct your grammar. I could have on a few occasions. Admittedly not many.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 11, 2019

              I suspect that if you had, you would have been ‘correcting’ something that was correct in the first place,

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 10, 2019

            It’s rude to call someone a troll and call them ignorant because they haven’t built a useless, debunked cloudbuster, but you do it. It;s rude to pry into someone’s income and its source. It’s rude to doubt the existence of someone’s late husband. It’s rude to say that someone has called their neighbours feral, when this is a lie…and so on. But you do all these things.

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              ‘It’s rude to call someone a troll and call them ignorant because they haven’t built a useless, debunked cloudbuster.”

              Not if they start abusing from the start without knowing anything about the topic. Then continue to make vacuous judgements as you are still doing.

              That is simple trolling.

              Interesting you always bring this up.

              ”It’s rude to pry into someone’s income and its source. It’s rude to doubt the existence of someone’s late husband. ”

              That was subject to moderation so I cannot comment. I will say, however, I now bookmark any of your utterances of importance. Once bitten..thrice shy.

              ”It’s rude to say that someone has called their neighbours feral.”

              I cannot recall that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 11, 2019

              I can. It was one of the things that had you barred.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  February 10, 2019

    So Corky you are so smart, a dentist on Auckland Island is so cheap but thanks for pointing it out to us educated voters, but a bit extreme

    • Corky

       /  February 10, 2019

      So, Lurchy….er…😵!!

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 10, 2019

        If you go to GrabOne, Lurch, you can get it done for much less than Corks pays; you could take Mrs Lurch out for lunch afterwards.

        • Corky

           /  February 10, 2019

          That will depend on when you post the prices..plus, has Lurchy got false teeth.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 10, 2019

            Nitpicking; current prices, of course; GrabOne doesn’t quote deals that are no longer available. Of course.

          • Corky

             /  February 10, 2019

            Of course. I wonder if you have to sign up for a plan?

            You are telling the story.. I have quoted my price.

            Where’s yours?

            ”If you go to GrabOne, Lurch, you can get it done for much less than Corks pays; you could take Mrs Lurch out for lunch afterwards.”

            So we can assume this post of yours is bs.🙄

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 10, 2019

              You may, nobody who has any literacy skills will. How many times do you have to be told something before you understand it ?

            • Corky

               /  February 10, 2019

              How many times do you have to be told to do a simple task? Stop deflecting, start posting.

    • Corky

       /  February 10, 2019

      Keywords…family run dentist practice. The concept is transferable all over NZ.😄.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  February 10, 2019

    Simon Bridges is inspired by Julie Bishop,hes inspired to arse lick a failure from Australia, a FEMALE never made PRIME MINISTER of Australia,, yes hes a croaky mumbling brown whitey who calls you boss,i hate it when maoris say that,or BRO…simon bridges to a tee

  7. Corky

     /  February 10, 2019

    The Art Of Gesture. Gesture talks straight to the limbic brain. Repeated enough, gesture takes on a life of its own.

    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/hitler-rehearsing-speech-front-mirror-1925/

  8. Corky

     /  February 10, 2019

    Where does poetic license, bravado,making a point..or just being little slags begin or end?

    The dying light of Western culture. No wonder Muslims feel emboldened.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/02/these-young-girls-are-so-naive/#more-445410

    • Corky

       /  February 10, 2019

      There’s untold sexual predators out there. Many would be more than happy to make their dreams come true.

  9. Another really good win by the Black Ferns again today against India, to take the series 3 nil. Like the last game it went down to the last ball. Very good cricket and very good to watch.

    • Gezza

       /  February 10, 2019

      I wonder who the dad is.

      • PDB

         /  February 10, 2019

        Gayford?

        • Gezza

           /  February 10, 2019

          Dunno. Might be one of those two. But they haven’t said. Tamati was on 1ewes at 6 but he seems to have whacked on a few kilos around the middle I thought he looked like he might be the mother. 😐

          • PDB

             /  February 10, 2019

            Whoever it was it’s very likely it was done by toss up.

            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2019

              Yeah well. Some woman has agreed to grow a baby for them, which suggests as they haven’t just adopt a child, one of them is likely to be the biological father. It’s not particularly any of my business, but they’ve made a big public announcement that was also on tv and I’m just curious which one it is.

            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2019

              Generally speaking it’s not an issue with hetero couples who make a big public announcement of a pregnancy – it’s obvious or at least commonly assumed we would know who the biological father and mother are.

            • PDB

               /  February 10, 2019

              Maybe they don’t know as yet?

              A doctor talking about the Elton John baby – CBS news: “There is also a third intriguing option, he says. Fertilize an egg with sperm mixed from both John and Furnish. That way either one could be the father. It’s a practice usually reserved for men with fertility issues.”

            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2019

              A DNA test would give the answer if they or the child ever wanted know. It’ll be up to the child I imagine. Could possibly be become an issue if they ever split up and argue over custody

            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2019

              But whatever. As I say, I’m just curious. I doubt we’ll ever get told so it’s not something that I expect to find out.