Trump lies bigger than Texas

Donald Trump is well known for lying and making false claims, and he often keeps repeating them.

El Paso is on the US-Mexico border and has taken issue with comments Trump made in his State of the Union address last week.

The border city of El Paso, Texas, used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the country, and considered one of our Nation’s most dangerous cities. Now, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of our safest cities.
Simply put, walls work and walls save lives. So let’s work together, compromise, and reach a deal that will truly make America safe.

Simply put, Trump is making false claims again to try to get support for his wall.

El Paso Times – State of the Union: Facts show Trump wrong to say El Paso dangerous city until fence

President Donald Trump used El Paso as an example of a safe city to bolster his argument that the United States needs to construct a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border during the State of the Union on Tuesday.

This isn’t the first time the White House has tried to make this argument about El Paso, and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton shared a similar comment with Trump during his visit to Texas in early January.

They debunk Truimp’s claim in detail. And also similar claims by Trump spokespeople and associates.

Houston Chronicle editorial: Welcome, Mr. President. Here’s the truth about El Paso

At nearly every turn, Trump’s statements and actions before and after he took office two years ago have revealed an ignorance of even the most basic aspects of life in Texas. Recall when he talked, absurdly, about the thousands of pleasure-boating Texans during Harvey who had to be saved by the Coast Guard. In fact, they were braving storm-tossed waters to rescue neighbors.

Trump seems even more confused when he talks about the border. Take his recent comments about El Paso and the border fence completed there in 2009.

The quote from his SOTU speech as above.

That’s unequivocally wrong. All Texans know that El Paso lies directly across the border from Juarez, where murder and kidnappings have at times overwhelmed local authorities. We also know that El Paso itself has for decades been universally considered one of the safest cities in America.

The border fence completed in 2009 didn’t make that so. The crime rate, and especially the rate of violent crimes, had been falling for nearly 20 years before that fence was completed.

That El Paso has been safe for decades is borne out by more than FBI stats. Elected officials from both parties have called out Trump’s falsehood repeatedly in recent days.

Does any of any this really matter? We wish it didn’t. But sadly, Trump has a powerful hold on a significant swath of Americans — and their congressional representatives — who want so badly to believe his promises of greatness that they don’t bother to check the fine print. They believe quickly and blindly. And by the time the fact-checkers weigh in, Trump will have moved to the next rally.

But Trump bullshit isn’t in the fine print. He blares it all over Twitter.

More concerning perhaps is that his speech writers have presumably played a hand in his SOTU script, which is more bullshit.

MediaFiled:  Was The Media’s SOTU Fact-Check Fair?

Along with the typical suspects–like Snopes and FactCheck.org–most mainstream, reputable news sources took a deep dive into the logical fallacies and falsehoods they claimed the President espoused in his 82-minute-long speech.

Outlets like The New York Times took the time to break down substantive policy claims on international affairs, immigration, abortion and the economy with nuance, specifying whether a claim was true, false or misleading.

Forbes pushed back on Trump’s economic statistics, pointing out that he fibbed facts on created jobs, wage and economic growth. The El Paso Times clarified that saying their city’s violent crime rate makes a case for “walls working” is untrue. CNN refuted Trump on undocumented crime in general, with most point-by-point analyses painting Trump’s narrative as incorrect.

While most of these fact-checks weren’t partisan commentary, the sheer volume of articles published created a sense of anti-Trump bias for some. That’s without mentioning the sources that FOX interpreted as “nitpicking.”

The sheer volume of articles pointing out Trump lies has something to do with the number of times Trump lies.

Pundits like Brian Stelter went further in their defense, expressing frustration at “Trump’s [worsening] level of lying, of deceit” and calling for news organizations to be more equipped to tackle falsehoods during “the Super Bowl of fact-checking.”

But on the other hand, in an age where a whopping 75 percent of conservatives don’t feel like the media even understands them, nitpicking against conservative champions isn’t the best look.

Ah, having a president who is a compulsive liar isn’t the best look.

“The ‘fact-checkers’, Hell-bent to prove Trump wrong, have become just another tool of advocacy journalism.”

Fact checking what the president says is ‘advocacy journalism’? I would say it is a fundamental role of political journalism.

Just because some people that poor Donald is being unfairly criticised doesn’t negate the need for or validity of criticism.

David Harsanyi, Senior Editor of The Federalist, points out what seems to him to be partisan media hysteria, describing how fact-checking subjective assertions and talking points with hyper-precision can, itself, obscure information.

“There are plenty of legitimately misleading statements worthy of fact-checkers’ attention,” wrote Harsanyi in a column for the New York Post.

“Yet, with a veneer of impartiality, fact-checkers often engage in a uniquely dishonest style of partisanship.”

Whether you think that Trump compulsively lies or that the media’s narrative of him constantly lying has gone too far, it’s clear that the press need to hold government accountable now, as it always has.

But in order for it to do so, journalists must also hold themselves to a higher, objective standard and reflect on whether or not partisan biases are clouding their judgment.

It seems remarkable that fact checking journalists are being held to ‘a higher, objective standard’ (fair enough to call for that) because they keep pointing out how dishonest President Trump is. This suggests Trump’s tactic of diverting from his lies to the media reporting those lies has been in part successful.

 

70 Comments

  1. Al-girta

     /  February 12, 2019

    Houston Chronicle – lol

  2. David

     /  February 12, 2019

    OMG a politician exaggerated/lied/wasnt 100% truthful !
    The fact checking organisations who were asleep for 8 years under Obama have risen from their slumber because Trump.
    An example not mentioned is in his SOTU he said 1 in 3 women were sexually assaulted in the caravans, outrageous exaggeration its only 31% and he should be widely pilloried thanks to the saintly unbiased fact checkers diligent work. Lets not mention the appalling treatment of the women or how they are suffering or the incentives of sanctuary cities that encourage these caravans that flood the employment market and undercut the wages of working class Americans…Trump was out by 2.333% lets call him a bullshitter.

    • Gezza

       /  February 12, 2019

      Fair enuf. You found one statement that doesn’t seem to have been false. Are you suggesting that’s the only one there was?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 12, 2019

        i thought that his figure was higher than that.

        How would anyone know, anyway ?

  3. Finbaar Rustle

     /  February 12, 2019

    To be fair life in the USA under Nixon Ford Carter Reagan Bush
    Clinton Bush Obama and Trump has been very similar.

  4. FarmerPete

     /  February 12, 2019

    What a load of cobblers! Fact checking has to involve more than simply offering a counter view. Fact checkers and ‘trusted source’ sites have become notoriously partisan. The US immigration situation is a subject I have followed closely for years. What is happening there should be viewed with trepidation here. The destabilisation of the US political system is happening at ‘warp’ speed and it is not because of Trump. Our own government signed up to the UN deal late last year and has placed NZ in a potentially parlours position.

    • Duker

       /  February 12, 2019

      Warp speed suggests you have a tenous grasp on reality…. facts arent you my son.

  5. Pink David

     /  February 12, 2019

    “it has impacted illegal immigration and curbed criminal activity”

    So a wall, when combined with other actions, is effective.

    • From above: “We also know that El Paso itself has for decades been universally considered one of the safest cities in America.

      The border fence completed in 2009 didn’t make that so. The crime rate, and especially the rate of violent crimes, had been falling for nearly 20 years before that fence was completed.”

      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 12, 2019

        Also from the Mayor of El Paso:
        “We‘ve had a fence for 10 years and it has impacted illegal immigration and curbed criminal activity.”
        So Corky’s comment is spot on.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  February 12, 2019

          Sorry – David’s comment…

          • Gezza

             /  February 12, 2019

            An understandable error. Its easy enuf to mistake one Trumpistanado for another. They tend to make the same excuses for ignoring his pathological lying.

            • Corky

               /  February 12, 2019

              I make no excuses for his flawed character. In fact I think his character is what makes him so effective.

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2019

              That IS an excuse for his flawed character, Corky. Alan takes a similar line – he says things like never mind what he says, look at his actions. His actions include being chronically dishonest, bullying, not paying people because he decides they’ve been paid enuf and being a narcissist with no other regard than getting what he wants by fair means or foul. Put simply, in the US venacular he’s an asshole on steroids. And various forces have ensured he got elected as their President. Staggering, when you think about it. Virtually nothing the man says can be believed without being fact-checked.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  February 12, 2019

              But Gezza – he is playing 5D chess, and you just can’t see it, which is why you don’t like him! 😉

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2019

              Yeah, I’m grinning but I can’t give you an uptick for that.

            • Finbaar Rustle

               /  February 12, 2019

              @Corky. “I make no excuses for his flawed character.
              In fact I think his character is what makes him so effective.”
              Spoken like a true right winger.
              Hitler’s flawed character made him what he became too.
              Effective for a short time.
              1000 year Reich lasted 10 years

            • Corky

               /  February 12, 2019

              Finbaar Rusty, given you are reasonable new here you wouldn’t have known I posted ”a short time is all Trumpy needs.”

              ”Spoken like a true right winger.”

              I’m a Libertarian.

              ”Hitler’s flawed character made him what he became too.”

              That goes for all of us.

      • Pink David

         /  February 12, 2019

        “The crime rate, and especially the rate of violent crimes, had been falling for nearly 20 years ”

        This is true of the entire US, and also most of the Western world. The more important question is the rate of fall the same, or greater, or lesser than comparable places not on the boarder.

  6. Corky

     /  February 12, 2019

    You can either have the facts or the bigger picture.

    Conservatives don’t sweat the small stuff. Build the wall and it matters not one iota how big Trumpy’s lies are.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  February 12, 2019

      Mirage an unrealistic hope or wish that cannot be achieved, founded on a pack of lies.

      • Pink David

         /  February 12, 2019

        Green New Deal?

      • Corky

         /  February 12, 2019

        What!.. a wall is for national security. Democrats could start the process tomorrow if they just stopped putting politics before national security…and American citizens.

        • Gezza

           /  February 12, 2019

          Yes, they could, and I’m amazed at the way various Democrats go on about immigration even to the point of taking lines that suggest America should allow open immigration which no other country I can think of would ever contemplate these days.

          But remember, these statements are worth votes for many of their legal voters with family members illegally resident in the US, and the objective is often, I imagine, to simply provoke Trump to continue ranting, making false claims, and hopefully even another shutdown, which I read somewhere next time will affect the whole of government and not just be a partial one.

          He’s got his tactics – they include compulsively lying, and attempting to bully critics with no regard for else who gets hurt in the process of his getting his way, lifelong traits – and they have theirs – of pointing out the lies & highlighting who he’s hurting with no regard for who gets hurt in the process of his attempting to get his way.

          Americans elected this horribly flawed character as their President. That’s what they need to address. That they’ve reached a point where they only get shit candidates for President.

          • Corky

             /  February 12, 2019

            Your reasonableness scares me, Gezza.

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2019

              It’s got such potential for true greatness, that country, Corky. And it always falls so short of achieving it. I think maybe their last really great President in the last 100 years might have been Eisenhower.

  7. Zedd

     /  February 12, 2019

    I think Ms warren said it well… “MrT may not be Prez. in 2020′ (Or even a free man) ?

    He lives in a fantasy-land., where ‘money rules & might is right !’ :/

    • Corky

       /  February 12, 2019

      So in other words Trumpy lives in the ‘real world.’ While Ms Warren is still riding bare-back with a bow and arrow?

      Hell, that explains something, Zedd.

    • Corky

       /  February 12, 2019

      So in other words Trumpy lives in the real world while Warren is still riding bareback with a bow and arrow?

      Hell, that explains things, Zedd.😂

      • Zedd

         /  February 12, 2019

        you are echoing.. your nonsense now corky

        • Corky

           /  February 12, 2019

          Technical problems. You aren’t that important, Zedd.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  February 12, 2019

        Trumps real world:
        Come from a wealthy family
        Use dubious means to avoid paying tax in inter generational wealth transfer
        Employ undocumented workers
        Have numerous business bankruptcies
        Grab as many cats as you can

        • Corky

           /  February 12, 2019

          And he used all that to become the President of the United States.

          Live with that Patz. It’s called the ‘real world.’ Not the dream world you inhabit.

          • Blazer

             /  February 12, 2019

          • Zedd

             /  February 12, 2019

            ‘And he used all that to become the President of the United States.’ sez corky

            “OH REALLY….” sez I
            try looking up : Cambridge Analytica, Robert Mercer, Breitbart etc. (the real power behind MrTs ‘election success’)

            Pull your head out.. smell the air, not the B-S

            • Corky.

               /  February 12, 2019

              Still having trouble ”getting it,’ Zedd?

            • Zedd

               /  February 12, 2019

              ‘pray tell’ corky… 😀

            • Corky

               /  February 12, 2019

              Well, if he didn’t have A, he wouldn’t have been able to access B.

              Take your time..and work it through, Zedd. Get back to me tomorrow.🙄

            • Zedd

               /  February 12, 2019

              thats totally beyond my comprehension (of reality).. enuf sed 😀

              I’ll leave it with u

            • Zedd

               /  February 12, 2019

              btw; methinks this is: Planet EARTH.. not Planet T :/ 😀 😀

            • Corky

               /  February 12, 2019

              A=Patz’s comment.

              B= And he used all that to become the President of the United States.’ sez corky

              “OH REALLY….” sez I
              try looking up : Cambridge Analytica, Robert Mercer, Breitbart etc. (the real power behind MrTs ‘election success’)

              Pull your head out.. smell the air, not the B-S

              No, son. Pull your head out and smell the roses.

              You can work the rest out.

            • Zedd

               /  February 12, 2019

              … thot…. mukes… purrfuct… senze… 😀

              …asperusual…

            • Corky

               /  February 12, 2019

              Let it go, son. You have received your lumps..move on.

        • Zedd

           /  February 12, 2019

          Exactly Patz !

          Most folks in the ‘real world’ know what Reality is about.. working for a living, paying their tax/bills & getting through ‘the battles in life’

          **MrT has NO IDEA; Too long in their Ivory Towers/the FAKER

    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 12, 2019

      Is that her thoughts, or those of her tribe?

    • MaureenW

       /  February 12, 2019

      Elizabeth Warren is a joke Z. An even bigger joke than Trump. He was right when he called her Pocohontas.

      • Gezza

         /  February 12, 2019

        Got no show. Looks like a librarian.

      • Duker

         /  February 12, 2019

        Didnt hurt Trump claiming his father was Swedish…at lest Warren has some indian ancestry

        • High Flying Duck

           /  February 12, 2019

          You’re like a broken record on Trump’s Swedish history. It has been explained many times, but you are obviously a bit slow.
          And Warren has Indian ancestry? Ha. 1/1024th is hardly legitimate ancestry.
          She should revoke her many apologies for ever claiming it then.

          • Duker

             /  February 12, 2019

            So Trump’s ancestry is closed subject but Warren’s isn’t.?
            Anyway you are wrong about the way the numbers work.

            “Those similarities suggest Warren likely had a Native American relative about six to 10 generations back” Those are just estimates
            It’s not exact as they have very little Cherokee data to compare markers with

            But it could just be as likely to be 1/64th as your number

            While we do know exactly Trump’s ancestry , it’s certainly not swedish, he out and out lied on that

  8. Blazer

     /  February 12, 2019

    ‘Trump Trade War Helps Push Farmers Into Record Number Of Bankruptcies

    Hard times for farmers got tougher with President Donald Trump’s trade war. Now Midwestern farmers are filing the highest number of bankruptcies in a decade, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of federal data.

    And farmers aren’t hopeful about this year.

    Twice as many farmers in Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin declared bankruptcy last year compared to 2008, according to statistics from the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, the Journal reported. Bankruptcies in states from North Dakota to Arkansas leaped 96 percent, according to figures from the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Farmers are being battered by sinking commodity prices — and stiff tariffs from China and Mexico in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on imports.’

  9. Blazer

     /  February 12, 2019

    Trump Trade War Helps Push Farmers Into Record Number Of Bankruptcies

    Hard times for farmers got tougher with President Donald Trump’s trade war. Now Midwestern farmers are filing the highest number of bankruptcies in a decade, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of federal data.

    And farmers aren’t hopeful about this year.

    Twice as many farmers in Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin declared bankruptcy last year compared to 2008, according to statistics from the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, the Journal reported. Bankruptcies in states from North Dakota to Arkansas leaped 96 percent, according to figures from the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Farmers are being battered by sinking commodity prices — and stiff tariffs from China and Mexico in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on imports.

  10. David

     /  February 12, 2019

    52% approval today

    • Please let me qualify that source for you: a Rasmussen Poll. That makes a meaningful difference.

      FiveThirtyEight’s poll of polls has the President at 40.4%, at or near his lowest approval ratings.

      Only 13 times in the last 72 years has a sitting US President not been The Most Admired Man in the U.S. So far President Trump is 0-2.

      In comparison, former President Obama was voted the Most Admired Man in the U.S. the year before becoming President, all 8 years during his presidency, and the 2 years following.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 12, 2019

        And Obama successfully bombed many nations and killed numerous people in drone attacks, so deserves the accolades afforded him as a Nobel Peace Laureate.

      • Corky

         /  February 12, 2019

        ”In comparison, former President Obama was voted the Most Admired Man in the U.S. the year before becoming President, all 8 years during his presidency, and the 2 years following.”

        A true definition of madness.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 12, 2019

          That may be your idea of an example of madness, it’s not a definition.

          • Corky

             /  February 12, 2019

            Yes, a little lateral interplay is required.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 12, 2019

              Not at all. You are confusing definition and example.

              Definition tells what something is – a cat is a feline animal – but a particular cat is an example of this, not the definition. Saying that Tiger next door is a cat doesn’t define the word cat.

              The definition of madness would be the state of being mad or insane, lunacy or extreme foolishness.

              What you gave was your idea of an example, although it would appear that you don’t know the difference.

              There’s nothing lateral about your statement, it’s simply the wrong word being used and making no sense.

              Look the two words up in a dictionary if you have one and can’t take my word for it.

            • Corky

               /  February 12, 2019

              Geez, are you for real?

              ”There’s nothing lateral about your statement.”

              Correct. I never said there was.

              I said: ”Yes, a little lateral interplay is required.”

              I had a feeling that would be a problem given your literalism.

              LATERAL:

              of, at, towards, or from the side or side
              synonyms: sideways, sidewise, sidelong, sideward, edgewise, edgeways, side, flank, wing, indirect, oblique, slanting
              “lateral movements”

              involving lateral thinking.
              “he’s very creative in a lateral way”
              synonyms: unorthodox, inventive, creative, imaginative, original, innovative, ingenious
              “lateral thinking”

              INTERPLAY:

              reciprocal relationship, action, or influence:
              the interplay of plot and character.

              I consider it an honour to educated you to use your mind in creative ways.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  February 12, 2019

            I thought idolising Trump was a sign of madness.

            Obama in essence was man trying to do the right thing and leave the world a better place, Trump on the other hand just does what he wants to do regardless of the collateral damage. Good and bad.

            • Corky

               /  February 12, 2019

              ”Obama in essence was man trying to do the right thing and leave the world a better place.”

              Let’s face hard reality. He was a ‘do-nothing’ who was idolised by morons because he was half black.

            • MaureenW

               /  February 13, 2019

              Libya?
              Obama was a fake, a bit like Trump except Mr First Black President.
              Bend-over Barack, bowing to the Arabs – yes wasn’t he great?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 13, 2019

              Idolising Trump is a sign of madness. but Cork seemed not to know the difference between a definition and an example.

  11. I trust the words of the El Paso community before any commenters here:

    “We are a very proud community. Unfortunately, President Trump repeated misinformation provided to him by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton that El Paso was once one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. and it was the border barrier that made us safe.”

    “El Paso County Commissioner Carlos Leon, a former El Paso police chief, praised Escobar for standing up for El Paso in the wake of the president’s comment. Leon urged El Pasoans not to focus on the president’s “misinformed” statement, rather, to move forward and continue fostering the relationships that have made El Paso a safe and vibrant border community.”

    https://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/el-paso-leaders-to-trump-concrete-and-steel-cannot-replace-hard-work-of-our-law-enforcement/1012755676

  12. Blazer

     /  February 12, 2019

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 12, 2019

      Someone had to do it. How many people began to sing ‘Out in the wild Texas town of El Paso/I fell in love with a Mexican girl…’ as soon as they saw the name ? 😀