Trump declares national emergency to get border wall built

President Donald Trump has been promising for years to build a wall because of security threats. He has been threatening for weeks to declare a national emergency over border security in order to get funds to build more wall between the US and Mexico.

There must be a sudden emergency, because he has just declared one.

President Donald Trump plans to spend about $8 billion on border barriers, far more than Congress has given him for that purpose.

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney says Trump will tap various other sources of money beyond the nearly $1.4 billion in a government funding bill that Congress passed. Trump is expected to sign the bill.

Besides the money from Congress, Mulvaney said Friday that Trump plans to spend $600 million in Treasury forfeiture funds and $2.5 billion in Defense Department counterdrug money. Trump is also tapping about $3.6 billion worth of funds set aside for military construction projects.

BBC:  ‘Walls work’: Trump confirms emergency move

President Trump confirms he’ll use emergency powers to build a wall on Mexico’s border, saying “walls work”.

But it’s far from certain if his declaring an emergency will work.

Reuters – Explainer: Trump risks legal fight with emergency threat on wall

President Donald Trump will almost certainly face legal challenges over his decision to declare a national emergency to get additional funding for a U.S.-Mexico border wall, circumventing the power of Congress to set spending policy.

Legal scholars say it is unclear how such a step would play out, but they agree a court test would likely focus on whether an emergency actually exists on the southern border and on the limits of presidential power over taxpayer funds.

Trump is unhappy with a bipartisan border security bill that is going through Congress to avert another government shutdown, because it contains only a fraction of the funds he demanded for his promised border wall. The White House said Trump would sign the bill but declare a national emergency to try to obtain funds for the wall.

That will likely trigger a long legal fight possibly stretching into Trump’s 2020 re-election bid, and embolden critics who already accuse him of authoritarian tendencies and unpredictable swerves in policy-making.

Congressional Democrats are already vowing legal challenges.

They have balked at giving Trump money for what they say is a wasteful and unnecessary wall.

CNBC:  Trump will sign spending bill, declare a national emergency and ‘other executive action’ to build wall

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi “may” file a legal challenge and will review her options, she told reporters Thursday.

“Declaring a national emergency would be a lawless act, a gross abuse of the power of the presidency and a desperate attempt to distract from the fact that President Trump broke his core promise to have Mexico pay for his wall,” she and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said in a statement Thursday. They added: “This is not an emergency, and the president’s fearmongering doesn’t make it one.”

As Trump moves to declare national emergency to build wall, border crossings at record lows

78 Comments

  1. Mother

     /  February 16, 2019

    When I was in cowboy land I saw first hand the illegal hiring of Mexicans. I also heard deeply ingrained racist slurs, a hardness toward the oppressed and an inability to safely discuss others’ points of view (ie Republicans vs Democrats).

    In my experience, Christians of varying maturity cope relatively well with life’s difficulties, especially the communication kind. I think that Trump is an interesting character whom God can well use according to His plan whether or not the reports are true that he is a baby Christian.

    The thing with God is that He works with people, not against them. Meanwhile, individuals must make their choice re religion, because it’s impossible to erase the god shaped hole in the psyche.

    I think that Mr Trump fear mongers because he’s immature. Mind you, he certainly knew how to turn one million into billions.

    • “The thing with God is that He works with people, not against them.”

      If this is the case and I would agree on this, then Trump is a very strange choice of vehicle for God to use as Trump works against a lot of people and uses them for his/her own purpose rather than than the greater good.

      I can’t see what God’s purpose would be in getting Trump to build a wall to keep Christians out, as Mexicans are Christians as well.

    • adamsmith1922

       /  February 16, 2019

      Rubbish

    • Duker

       /  February 16, 2019

      “, he certainly knew how to turn one million into billions.”

      his father gave him 100s of millions. Have you forgotten how times hes been bankrupted
      https://thelawdictionary.org/article/how-is-donald-trump-able-to-file-for-bankruptcy-so-many-times/

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  February 16, 2019

      “how to turn one million into billions.” #snort #bullshit_alert

      trump inherited $40 million from his father in 1974 – if he had put that inheritance by itself into an index fund that fund would be worth $3 billion today. If he had put it into a globally diversified portfolio that portfolio would be worth $14 billion today… with none of the drama or stress of his multiple bankruptcies, or the fuck-tonne of anguish that he has caused his creditors and workers over the past forty years. As Duker points out trump was gifted millions more by his father over and above his $40 m inheritance.

      there was another well-known businessman who was also worth $40 million in 1974 – Warren Buffett – who is now worth over $85 billion

      • Pink David

         /  February 16, 2019

        “there was another well-known businessman who was also worth $40 million in 1974 – Warren Buffett – who is now worth over $85 billion”

        This is completely true, but I’m sure Trump had a lot more fun.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 16, 2019

      He lied about the $1,000,000 and he lies about the billions; he’s been proved to have far fewer than he claims to have.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 16, 2019

        The only billionaire whom I know didn’t have millions from daddy’s bank to start with; he came from a middle-class family and has made every cent himself. He spends a lot of time in NZ, and doesn’t swank about who he is and how much money he has. When he was here with someone having lunch, I didn’t know that he was who he is, as his name can be spelt different ways. It was a real surprise that he was X.

  2. David

     /  February 16, 2019

    Its been a bad day for Trump and he should have got Ryan to pass his funding last year. Pelosi has won this skirmish but the cost to her will be a Democrat going into the 2020 presidential campaign as an open border advocate and one promising free healthcare for all, what if you had 100 million people coming over the border and taking advantage of the US taxpayers.
    If the economy is not as buoyant and unemployment is rising in 2020 a flood of immigrants taking jobs and undermining wages wont play well.

  3. Finbaar Rustle

     /  February 16, 2019

    The USA going to the Wall.
    Trump driving the Democrats up the wall.
    I fought the wall and the wall won. #1
    The “third world” wall.
    Star Walls 10 “The your fired strikes back”.
    #1Sonny Curtis.

  4. Corky

     /  February 16, 2019

    Hmm..Australia once had border issues. They built a virtual wall of a kind.

    That meant anyone was welcome to try their luck jumping the legal immigration process.

    Result ?… the Lucky Country suddenly became the Unlucky Land for those interlopers. They wound up on a forsaken Island in the middle of nowhere.

    Everyone got the message after that.

    God speed President Trumpy. Protect America – and the American Way – from Mexicans and Liberals.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 16, 2019

      I take it that you have never heard of overstayers or have any idea how large Australia is.

      Have you been overseas at all ???

  5. Patzcuaro

     /  February 16, 2019

    Actual global emergency

    • duperez

       /  February 16, 2019

      There are two parts to their national emergency – having a mentally and emotionally defective president and having so many mentally and emotionally defective people siding with him.

      The data and information about how dangerous the border is now historically and how drugs get into the USA, show Trump’s rhetoric for what it is. When ‘fake news’ became his go-to, any rationality went out the door for many and he became the go-to. When your go-to guy is a jerk you get the problems you deserve.

      • Corky

         /  February 16, 2019

        The first responsibility of government is to protect their borders. What don’t you understand, apart from nothing?

          • Corky

             /  February 16, 2019

            ”I understand you would seem to have a simplistic view of protecting their southern border in the circumstances and you have bought into the Trump drama about it.”

            The wall, while the mainspring of his immigration policy, was only part of his overall plan. Remember, he wanted a temporary halt to Muslim immigration?

            You aren’t getting it..we aren’t talking about views. We are talking about what should be a governments constitutional responsibility.

            Now that is simply..right?

            • duperez

               /  February 16, 2019

              Yes indeed, it is simply right. The most thorough way a government can exercise it’s constitutional responsibility to protect it’s borders is to allow no-one into the country at all who isn’t already a citizen. No-one. At all.

              Of course while that would achieve the aim the move would be ridiculous. Only slightly more ridiculous than what Trump claims his wall will do.

            • Corky

               /  February 16, 2019

              Now you are just being ridiculous…and deflecting. Is Trump asking for that?

            • duperez

               /  February 16, 2019

              The point is not what Trump is asking but what he is telling the world. He is intimating that all the people arriving in the country and causing trouble go through the Mexico border as do all or most illicit drugs. He has intimated that a wall between the USA and Mexico will stop illicit drugs getting into the USA.

              Sure he is seeking to carry out his pre-election promise. His cheap pre-election rhetoric political promise was so easy to understand by simpletons. When an ego-driven boofhead has built themselves up in the eyes of those around them and doesn’t want to seen as just balsa not teak, they huff and puff and flaunt their bravado to prove they are indeed The One. That’s what he’s doing.

              Poor Donald is in full huff and puff mode because they won’t give him $5.7billion ($NZ8.3b) to build his wall. Full huff and puff and bluster including the threat of declaring a national emergency.

              A national emergency is when you don’t get $NZ8.3b to build a wall which Mexico was going to pay for. (How about that election promise?) The show is about face saving far more than it is about national security and drug policy.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 16, 2019

              I remember his saying that people were throwing sacks of drugs (weighing something like 100wt ) over the existing barriers, which could kill anyone unlucky enough to be standing on the other side. Well, yes.

              BUT…there’d be no point if the right people weren’t there to receive the drugs and take them away to sell. What are the chances of this going unnoticed ?

      • Pink David

         /  February 16, 2019

        “The data and information about how dangerous the border is now historically and how drugs get into the USA, show Trump’s rhetoric for what it is. When ‘fake news’ became his go-to, any rationality went out the door for many and he became the go-to. When your go-to guy is a jerk you get the problems you deserve.”

        The people who voted him in want the boarder wall. Is it wrong for a politician to do the thing the people who voted him in want?

        I know it’s very rare for this to actually happen, but should it not be encouraged?

        • Corky

           /  February 16, 2019

          ”The people who voted him in want the boarder wall. Is it wrong for a politician to do the thing the people who voted him in want?”

          I think that’s what liberals can’t get their heads around… a politician who said what he was going to do..and he meant it..no matter the cost.

          It should also be remembered congress(?) stopped Trumpy from implementing border restrictions across the who country.

          One things for sure…border staff are enjoying being able to do their jobs without the constraints Obama imposed on them.

          • Duker

             /  February 16, 2019

            a mandate ?
            he said Mexico was going to pay for it as well.
            Anyway look at Kiwibuild , just because it was in labours mandate doesnt mean national are obliged to support it- and they do everything to spike it.

            The US has far more people arrive legally at airports and then overstay than come across the border- does that mean the airports should be closed.
            Also most drugs arrive in the normal course of international trade, even in trucks crossing the Mexico border through legal border crossings.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 16, 2019

              The US has far more people arrive legally at airports and then overstay than come across the border

              1. How could anyone know?

              2. Airport arrivals have already been vetted for visas. Border jumpers haven’t.

            • Blazer

               /  February 16, 2019

              ‘1. How could anyone know?’!!!🤦‍♂️….

              not the smartest scientist in the lab are you!

            • Pink David

               /  February 16, 2019

              “not the smartest scientist in the lab are you!”

              Amaze us with your smarts Blazer, show us how you count all the people crossing the boarder illegally.

            • Pink David

               /  February 16, 2019

              “The US has far more people arrive legally at airports and then overstay than come across the border”

              It’s about 55/45%. It also does not mean it’s not a good idea to deal with the 45%. It’s quite possible that it’s easier and cheaper to reduce the boarder crossings than it is to reduce over stayers.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 16, 2019

              Border, not boarder.

              Unless he puts a wall right around the US, he’s wasting his time.

        • Blazer

           /  February 16, 2019

          ‘show us how you count all the people crossing the boarder illegally.’…then..


          It’s about 55/45%.’….just gotta love this…pink David…
          🐱‍🚀

          • Pink David

             /  February 16, 2019

            I’e used figures from U.S. Customs and Border Protection. They have an estimate, hence the ‘about’.

            Still looking for how you count the illegal crossings.

    • Zedd

       /  February 16, 2019

      Tautoko Patz

      Maybe Nancy P should declare MrT the ‘National Emergency’ !! 😀

      • Duker

         /  February 16, 2019

        In a way , yes Congress can vote to ‘disallow’ Trumps faux emergency

      • Pink David

         /  February 16, 2019

        I thought that had already been tried? Wasn’t that what all that Russia bullshit was?

  6. Zedd

     /  February 16, 2019

    Meanwhile.. it is one year since the shootings at ‘Parkland H-S’ (Florida) & MrT has done nothing to stop this ‘Natl emergency’.. in fact he still reportedly is receiving $millions from NRA, to continue ‘doing nothing’ about further Gun control ?! 😦

    • Pink David

       /  February 16, 2019

      530 murdered in Chicago last year, but most of them were black, murdered by other blacks, so that’s not a national emergency, it’s just normal.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 16, 2019

        Gang murders are just as much murders as any other kind, but this was a massacre of children who were at school.

        • Pink David

           /  February 16, 2019

          60 of that number were children.

          A typical weekend in Chicago:
          “five children 15 and younger were among 23 people shot during a scorching weekend in Chicago.”

  7. Patzcuaro

     /  February 16, 2019

    Mike Pence: The president usurping power and end-running Congress is “a profound mistake.”

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 16, 2019

      When Congress is deadlocked the President must continue to govern.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  February 16, 2019

        Congress and the Senate aren’t deadlocked they have just negotiated a bipartisan solution the only one out of step is Trump

      • Patzcuaro

         /  February 16, 2019

        Congress and the Senate are deadlocked they have just negotiated a bipartisan solution, only Trump is out of step

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  February 16, 2019

        The issue with your bloviation is that Congress is not deadlocked.

        In reality, Congress showed strong bipartisan support for the funding bill that has just been voted in:

        – The GOP-controlled Senate easily cleared the bill, which included only about a quarter of the money trump sought for border barriers, by an 83-16 margin.

        – The Democratic-held House approved the measure in a 300-128 vote.

        trump isn’t governing. He is distracting from his election promise to get Mexico to pay for the wall. And he’s distracting from the fact that if he had signed the previous bipartisan spending bill in December he would have received more money. And he’s distracting from the reality that Republicans in the House AND Senate voted against funding his wall.

        All distractions… just like your comment.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 16, 2019

          Republicans voted for it knowing it was a process that included the emergency powers declaration. That is not a deal, just a continuation of war by other means.

          Congratulations on being able to blind yourself to the blindingly obvious deadlock.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  February 16, 2019

            Bullshit. The Republicans had two years ruling the House, the Senate, and the WH. No blindingly obvious deadlocks then, although they were very busy being shysters and robber barons, lining their own pockets, fiddling while Rome commenced burning.

            Your mob wasn’t even capable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.

            Blindingly obvious deadlock? Time to pull your head out of your arse Alan and own up to backing a dud.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 16, 2019

              A smelly squirrel you just pulled out there, Joe. No wonder you’ve gone blind.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  February 16, 2019

      Apparently this only applies to Democrat Presidents

  8. Griff.

     /  February 16, 2019

    If Trump gets away with it imagine what the next democrat president will be able to do.
    Single payer Medical and emergency action over climate change where we come.
    Both have more evidence for being a national emergency than the pointless wall to keep trumps shrinking low info base happy .
    Mexicans do have some amazing technology like ladders and spades.

    • Pink David

       /  February 16, 2019

      “If Trump gets away with it imagine what the next democrat president will be able to do.”

      Yes, this is by far the best reason for Trump not to use a national emergency. The expansion of executive power is a serious problem.

      “Both have more evidence for being a national emergency than the pointless wall to keep trumps shrinking low info base happy .
      Mexicans do have some amazing technology like ladders and spades.”

      Not such a good point. You call those in support of a wall ‘low info’, but don’t recognise how useless ladders and spades are.

    • Duker

       /  February 16, 2019

      Not really workable for the instances you mention- “single payer Medical”.

      They would require funding from other sources – every year..
      Trump just moves military construction money to different construction…. its a mainly a one off thing as he wants a few Km of wall built before next election

  9. Duker

     /  February 16, 2019

    I see a joke running around the Internet.
    “Mexico offers to pay for full border wall- along the original boundaries”

    • Pink David

       /  February 16, 2019

      Do you think Trump will the that upset handing California to the Mexicans? Do they actually want it? It would be an entertaining experiment.

      • Duker

         /  February 16, 2019

        It includes Texas , Arizona, New Mexico and part of Colorado. Those parts were won from Mexico by conquest,
        Can you even read a map?

  10. The Consultant

     /  February 16, 2019

    From 2015…

    Bernie Sanders: Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal.
    Ezra Klein: Really?
    Bernie Sanders: Of course. That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. …
    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids

    Ignored and memory-holed by the Democrats for obvious reasons.

    • Corky

       /  February 16, 2019

      Damn..

    • Griff.

       /  February 16, 2019

      Oh dear.

      Ignored and memory-holed by the Democrats for obvious reason

      Yip fuckin obvious reasons .
      Berni lost the nomination remember so whatever he campaigned on is not actually Democrat policy…. just his and he was rejected by the party .
      Your usual gaslighting sourced from some gibbering right wing nuttebar source that you are too ideologically blinded to examine logically.

      • The Consultant

         /  February 16, 2019

        Your usual gaslighting sourced from some gibbering right wing nuttebar

        It was published in every Democrat’s fave source, Vox.com – you ignorant, abusive fucktard.

        • Griff.

           /  February 16, 2019

          Oh do piss off Son.
          You got the attack from somewhere else did you not big boy.

          As to ignorant, abusive fucktard.
          I did not insult you I insulted your source .
          Of course I understand why you took it so personally
          Only an ideologically blinded fucktard would get sucked into by that sort of illogical crap.

          What Bernie said on the campaign trail is meaningless in reference to the democratic party now
          Your illogical attack is what is called a non sequitur….it does not follow.
          Bernie Sanders failed to get the nomination.
          Hence whatever policy Bernie Sanders supported it does not follow that it is the present or past Democrat position.

          By the way
          You dont really support Trump do you Hunter.
          You just willingly swallow any dead rat if the label says Republican.
          ROFL
          Thats a huuuugge dead rat mate
          I hope ya choke on it.

          .

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  February 16, 2019

            ‘onyer, Griff, and well said. The wilful blindness and stupidity of the Cult-45ers shine out in the comments above.

    • Pink David

       /  February 16, 2019

  11. Joe Bloggs

     /  February 16, 2019

    Annie Coulter on King Moron:

    “It was one thing, the promise he made every single day at every single speech. Forget the fact that he’s digging his own grave. The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot.”

    The question now is whether she will withdraw her magnum opus from 2016: “In Trump We Trust: E Pluribus Awesome!” #snort #bullshit_alert