The US Five Eyes/Huawei threat

It looks like the US is trying to play hardball on deterring Five Eyes allies from using Huawei technology. Is this foe security or economic reasons? Possibly both.

Who would you prefer to have a back door into your data, China or the US? Huawei denies allowing secret access, but we know US technology companies have helped their secret services.

Newsroom:  US delivers Five Eyes threat over Huawei

The United States has delivered the most explicit threat yet to New Zealand’s role in the Five Eyes alliance if it allows Huawei into the 5G network, saying it will not share information with any country which allows the Chinese company into “critical information systems”.

The remarks from US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo call into question claims from Kiwi politicians and officials that outside pressure is not behind a decision to block Huawei equipment from being used by Spark in its 5G network.

The decision, made by the Government Communications Security Bureau late last year, has sparked fears of retaliation from China against New Zealand including a report in the CCP-owned Global Times which suggested Chinese tourists were turning away from the country in protest.

In an interview with Fox Business News, Pompeo said the country had been speaking to other nations to ensure they understood the risk of putting Huawei technology into their infrastructure.

“We can’t forget these systems were designed with the express work alongside the Chinese PLA, their military in China, they are creating real risk for these countries and their systems, the security of their people…

“We’re out sharing this information, the knowledge that America has gained through its vast network and making sure countries understand the risk. That’s important – we think they’ll make good decisions when they understand that risk.”

Asked specifically about the risks posed to Americans’ information through alliances like Five Eyes if partners allowed Huawei into their systems, Pompeo said that would be an obstacle to any future relationships.

“If a country adopts this and puts it in some of their critical information systems, we won’t be able to share information with them, we won’t be able to work alongside them.”

Given New Zealand has remained a part of Five Eyes despite allowing Huawei into its 4G and ultra-fast broadband networks, it is unclear how real the threat is – although intelligence officials have acknowledged that 5G networks provide an added layer of risk.

But the secret services of countries are not the only risk to our privacy.

Be very afraid?

If an antacid advertisement pops up after you burp, or a laxative advertisement pops up after you fart, then it may be too late.

The Government may be able tax us on our measured emissions.

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38 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  23rd February 2019

    Watching the USA today is like watching “The full of the Roman empire”

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    • Finbaar Rustle

       /  23rd February 2019

      Yes but Rome did not fall in a day

      Reply
      • The Consultant

         /  23rd February 2019

        But it burned in one night!

        (boom-tish)!

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        • Finbaar Rustle

           /  23rd February 2019

          No Rome did not end in one night.
          Like the British Empire dissolved
          between 1776 -1976 the Roman Empire dissolved slowly between 300 AD to 446 AD.
          Although in milky way galaxy time scale that
          indeed was one night.
          And remember the milky bars are on me.

          Reply
      • lurcher1948

         /  23rd February 2019

        My smartphone decided AFTER i proofread i wanted full not fall,sigh

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd February 2019

      More like watching the Fool of The American Empire.

      Reply
    • Corkly

       /  23rd February 2019

      Then watch Europe, Lurchy…ah, I see what you mean? Carry on, son.

      Reply
  2. David

     /  23rd February 2019

    Ardern lied yet again but lets not focus on that.
    The Americans want to protect their telecommunications companies but given Obama,s NSA hacked Merkels phone among other world leaders I would go Chinese.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  23rd February 2019

      The fixation of the right calling our PM Jacinda Ardern…”Ardern the liar” as if she will go away if they whine long and loud enough

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      • David

         /  23rd February 2019

        The left turning a blind eye to her on going lying is to be expected. I dont mind her but she is a bare face liar when it suits her.

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  3. Finbaar Rustle

     /  23rd February 2019

    Labour is a brilliant Government.
    After 9 years of poor National dithering this Labour/NZF team
    are taking Kiwiland forward in leaps and bounds.
    In Jacinda we all trust.

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  4. NOEL

     /  23rd February 2019

    i think the horse has bolted.
    “Major countries representing a third of the global population are among the first adopters of the technology.” Huawei 5G that includes Germany Japan, Italy etc.

    I wish though people would stop saying GCSB has banned Hauwei.
    Spark has been informed of the concerns regarding Huawei’s 5G in accordance with the legislated obligations GCSB has.

    Now Spark has to come back with how it is going to mitigate those concerns.

    The PM is been truthful in this regard..

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    • Mother

       /  23rd February 2019

      I would go for US friendship. We need to use all of history to inform our choices.

      The negative view re the US looking like the fall of the Roman Empire is one way of contemplating it. Another way is to think positively. There’s a lot of hope. The end/fall of a world era doesn’t necessarily spell the end completely.

      We need to keep communists out as a first priority. Then think positively as we inch forward into safer times. The war at work for westerners is the battle of the mind.

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      • Blazer

         /  23rd February 2019

        the battle for the hearts and minds of people is what politicians share with religious brands.

        The world is not black and white and both Communism and Capitalism no longer exist in their original form.

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        • Mother

           /  23rd February 2019

          Yes they do. Their original form is ‘selfishness’. The end result is oppression.

          If you’re looking for a way forward, encourage Christians who despise combining spiritual ‘brands’ with politics. Because it’s only Christians who are truly free in your grey world.

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          • Blazer

             /  23rd February 2019

            Christians can never be free…for they live in eternal…fear.

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            • Mother

               /  23rd February 2019

              So you know about hell?

              I’m a Christian, and I live with hope. I hardly ever think about hell, except when fearful people remind me.

            • Blazer

               /  23rd February 2019

              I’ve heard go to Heaven for the…climate…and Hell for the…company.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd February 2019

              It’s not the sort of company I’d want, thank you.

        • PartisanZ

           /  23rd February 2019

          @Blazer – “The world is not black and white and both Communism and Capitalism no longer exist in their original form.”

          How true. Look at the Opioid epidemic in the USA … How does Capitalism get itself into the situation where 130 people per day – 47,000 in 2017 – die as a result of taking a medicine!?

          Especially in a private medical ‘free market’ where theoretically “the market will take care of it”? The Darwinian laws of Supply and Demand …

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd February 2019

      It’s interesting that with Android (Google owns it I think) on my smartphone, although you have to option not to allow location to be tracked, some apps won’t work unless you turn on the track location permission. My camera, for one.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd February 2019

          Thanks for that – I had a quick scan, I’ll read it in more detail later. I haven’t given any other apps permission to access location, but the camera itself appears to be an app and turning off location permission for the camera itself renders it unusable.

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          • Gezza

             /  23rd February 2019

            Also the latest Android 9 update for my Nokia 5 reconfigured the camera for the 3rd time (with no instructions on what the changes do – they’re not all evident), and includesd a bug that intermittently corrupts the vidcam sound recording of background sounds. I’m not sure if the next update (that hopefully fixes it) will install without location permission.

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  5. The Consultant

     /  23rd February 2019

    I have to say that I’m not as concerned about government spying as I used to be, having observed a decade of people brainlessly using Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other mobile apps to basically tell the world all about themselves.

    The point has been made – and not as a joke – that the likes of Facebook, Google and Amazon, know far more about each one of us than any government spy agency.

    It’s incredible. As if people don’t have a sense of privacy anymore.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd February 2019

      They do, but they surrender it for access to the technology they want to use and hope no one will use it against them. The younger they are the more naive they are. And it’s bad enuf that companies make their terms and conditions so legalistic nobody reads them. The price of the access to net technology is that you let them know everything they want to about you – or your apps won’t work.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  23rd February 2019

        If FB knows my heart rate and the other things, I’d have had to put it in, surely…which I wouldn’t do. Who on earth would be interested ?

        Must run; I have two nasty bruises on my shin and an equally nasty cut…I must put this on FB for the world to read,

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        • Duker

           /  23rd February 2019

          Fit Bits are how they know, and if you use an app to view the numbers online ,and use facebook login.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd February 2019

            Oh…that doesn’t really tell about menstrual cycles, does it ?

            I had no idea that FitBits were like that; I am unlikely to have one.

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            • Duker

               /  23rd February 2019

              Yes. Apparently different models don’t agree on the numbers anyway. It’s just modern day version of the Hula hoop, they were everywhere till the craze ended

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd February 2019

              The hula hoop didn’t say that it was that time of the month 😀

              Call me a Luddite….but I have no wish to have a FitBit…I don’t even have a proper Smartphone, although mine would like people to think it’s one. 😀 Nice try, but not good enough.

    • PartisanZ

       /  23rd February 2019

      What use was a sense of privacy when people purportedly did have it?

      Reply

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